You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The Freeper thread that crystalizes the right's attitude re: health care [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 11:18 AM
Original message
The Freeper thread that crystalizes the right's attitude re: health care
Advertisements [?]
Edited on Sat Feb-27-10 11:19 AM by LuckyTheDog
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2460403/posts

Sample remarks:

Freedom always involves risk. And yes, some people will get more than others. But that is a SMALL price to pay for LIBERTY! We need to get the government 100% OUT of health care!

Can't pay the doc? maybe you should have planned better. If you didn't, then, you'd better hope the doc FREELY CHOOSES to help you at no charge because you have ZERO claim on his services as a "right." Otherwise, your next line of defense is charity -- which should be REAL charity based on donations freely made and not FORCED taxation. You also are always free to treat yourself for your own ailments and to PRAY TO DOCTOR GOD for healing. God's healing can come through direct miracles of by God's direction to charities and health care providers to help you.

If you TRUST IN GOD, then you can be sure that He WILL MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION and bring you what you need/deserve when you need/deserve it -- even if it isn't what you THINK you want.

In the end, free people are called to live with the consequences of their OWN ACTIONS and the judgement of ALMIGHTY GOD. Government has NO RIGHT to interfere with that process!

Yes, I WOULD rather die than receive KenyanCare. Absolutely. God has more wisdom than all the death panels put together!

by USALiberty


------------------

Congressman Anthony Weiner has said that health care is not a commodity. If it isn't a commodity then do doctors and nurses have rights? Assigning health care the status of a right makes health care workers slaves to that right who must serve it. On what ground could a health care worker refuse to provide their products and services since that would violate the patient's "basic human right to health care."

That is a direct loss of individual rights for health care providers. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set fees and hours or to change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge if taken to its logical extreme. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is created and given by the government to those it chooses to give it to. It is not a natural right possessed by each person protected by the Constitution from the government. It is also a collective/state right by virtue of the fact that it would supersede individual rights when the two come into conflict. How else would the government view a right that it created and administers vs. one it has no control over?

Of course it isn't stated in any bill that a patient's right to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights, as always, are adjudicated in the courts. The Health Care Reform bills simply establish the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the collective right.

by TigersEye
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
  -The Freeper thread that crystalizes the right's attitude re: health care LuckyTheDog  Feb-27-10 11:18 AM   #0 
  - Absolutely. I hear this everyday at my town job. Cut the fire department...  Raven   Feb-27-10 11:22 AM   #1 
  - Thanks for candidly expressing your views Mr. USALiberty  kenny blankenship   Feb-27-10 11:28 AM   #2 
  - "Yes, I WOULD rather die than receive KenyanCare."  Contrary1   Feb-27-10 11:31 AM   #3 
  - Put Simply: Democrats believe Health Care is a Right and Republicasns  OHdem10   Feb-27-10 11:36 AM   #4 
  - What they don't get is it's not a "privilege" to NOT have it  Solomon   Feb-27-10 11:49 AM   #6 
  - They absolutely cannot understand that "personal responsibility"  Liberal Gramma   Feb-27-10 06:59 PM   #14 
  - Personal Responsiblity fits into GOP belief system  Confusious   Feb-27-10 10:47 PM   #21 
  - I'm a Democrat and I don't believe for one second that its a Right  ThomWV   Feb-28-10 07:26 AM   #33 
  - Reminds me of the mayor's wife of my small town  boobooday   Feb-27-10 11:36 AM   #5 
  - Maybe they out to think about masses of untreated people carrying communicable diseases.  drm604   Feb-27-10 12:12 PM   #7 
  - amen, democrats don't make that point enough. that is why we have a Public Health  demigoddess   Feb-27-10 12:25 PM   #8 
  - Not just communicable diseases  MadMaddie   Feb-27-10 03:51 PM   #10 
     - I'm not sure that I follow how what you're saying is any different from what I'm saying.  drm604   Feb-27-10 07:05 PM   #15 
        - You are right  MadMaddie   Feb-27-10 08:49 PM   #17 
  - You know in your heart most of these people are just spouting off  Bitwit1234   Feb-27-10 01:12 PM   #9 
  - Yeah, next time I can't afford my diabetes medication remind me everyone to pray to God.  Jennicut   Feb-27-10 03:55 PM   #11 
  - Reminds me of what they used to do to diabetics like me back 1000 years ago.  Jennicut   Feb-27-10 03:57 PM   #12 
  - Prayers are always answered..  Fumesucker   Feb-27-10 04:13 PM   #13 
  - I wonder how many of them will actually refuse Medicare when they're old enough.  Kitty Herder   Feb-27-10 08:04 PM   #16 
  - They'll just protest government involvement.  Edweird   Feb-27-10 09:04 PM   #18 
  - why are Republicans holding America back from joining the most advanced  KakistocracyHater   Feb-27-10 09:29 PM   #19 
  - I guess I should have accepted personal responsibility for the brain tumor  Pool Hall Ace   Feb-27-10 10:06 PM   #20 
  - I was thinking that about my kidney tumor, too.  knitter4democracy   Feb-27-10 11:03 PM   #23 
     - I just re-read the original post  Pool Hall Ace   Feb-28-10 07:08 AM   #29 
  - Well, as a committed Christian, the God I know  liberalhistorian   Feb-27-10 10:57 PM   #22 
  - Fundies are convinced they pay for the help but don't need it  Juche   Feb-27-10 11:06 PM   #24 
  - The govt protecting people is wrong. Corporations destroying people for profit is right.  Kablooie   Feb-27-10 11:09 PM   #25 
  - When you are too dumb to make your case. JUST PRESS CAPS LOCK AND YELL LIBERTY !!!!!!!!  Monk06   Feb-27-10 11:19 PM   #26 
  - As a Canadian, that second one really baffles me...  Lucy Goosey   Feb-27-10 11:21 PM   #27 
  - They simply don't grasp the concept because of their isolationism and ignorance  Lorien   Feb-27-10 11:32 PM   #28 
  - When Jesus Healed Folks He Didn't Charge Them  DemocratSinceBirth   Feb-28-10 07:11 AM   #30 
  - good point  AlecBGreen   Feb-28-10 09:39 AM   #35 
     - He Would Healed Her For Free Too  DemocratSinceBirth   Feb-28-10 11:01 AM   #37 
        - p.s. I like your username  AlecBGreen   Feb-28-10 11:37 AM   #38 
  - They're sociopathic  WeDidIt   Feb-28-10 07:11 AM   #31 
  - stupid fuckers wouldn't know 'freedom' and 'liberty' if it walked up and smacked em upside their  KG   Feb-28-10 07:21 AM   #32 
  - oh the hypocracy  AlecBGreen   Feb-28-10 09:37 AM   #34 
  - Most of those stupid old fucks are on Medicare anyway.  Codeine   Feb-28-10 09:41 AM   #36 
 

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC