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6. I wrote something similar a month or so ago about the left/right similarity
Edited on Thu Feb-25-10 07:11 AM by Warpy
although I was considerably more terse when I did it.

I remember the sheer nuttiness on the youthful left in the mid 70s, wild eyed suburban kids preaching revolution while the majority, for whom the system was still mostly working, looked on aghast at the thought of its overthrow.

The tables are turned this time, with senescent people being the ones to be wild eyed and preaching violent revolution to maintain a senescent movement, radical reactionary conservatism. In addition, they're defending a system that is working for no one, not even them.

While the right never gets hammered down to the extent the left has been, we can expect media and state to put out some half hearted attempts at doing so unless these loons manage to assassinate a high profile target. In that case, maybe we'll see a real crackdown on the sheer lunacy and Beck and the rest of the blowhards getting their overdue pink slips.

Still, for those of us more sanguine movement types of the 60s and 70s, the parallels of a dying paradigm breeding fanaticism and threats of violence among the diehard adherents are very telling.

Stick a fork in the conservatives, they're done. Oh, they'll hang on grimly as long as they can and there will always be a few buffoons out there to keep us entertained, but their original thinkers (who were able to dress up a warmed over mercantilism and make it sound fresh and new) are all ancient or dead and there are no new voices to take their places, their ideas have suffered greatly from being tried and having failed, and the religious soldiers for Jesus are just pissing people off, their power to affect the superstitious decreased by the fact that they're assholes and nobody wants to listen to them any more.

Soon they'll just be an ugly and embarrassing memory, it's the way this country has always been, the pendulum creaking back and forth. However, they'll be back a generation or two from now, new smart boys repackaging Reaganism for a new crop of suckers.

Maybe next time we'll be ready for them.

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  -"Todays New Right looks a lot like the New Left of the 60s" - your take? WilliamPitt  Feb-25-10 06:22 AM   #0 
  - The ONLY thing I see in common is some degree of anger at the establishment  depakid   Feb-25-10 06:25 AM   #1 
  - The tea party has a demographic problem.  Bosso 63   Feb-25-10 07:21 AM   #16 
  - The whole comparison is insulting.  mmonk   Feb-25-10 06:30 AM   #2 
  - I agree-- it's insulting  Art_from_Ark   Feb-25-10 06:35 AM   #5 
  - We were the ones that brought forth the advancement  mmonk   Feb-25-10 06:44 AM   #7 
  - Sullen, essentially hopeless anger of the Teabaggers  Jackpine Radical   Feb-25-10 07:27 PM   #79 
  - Exactly. They're murdering pigs.  Zoeisright   Feb-25-10 06:58 AM   #10 
  - You are likely right.  wolfgangmo   Feb-26-10 12:37 PM   #102 
     - We SDS organizers did exactly that.  Hardrada   Feb-26-10 12:43 PM   #103 
  - agreed n/t  newfie11   Feb-25-10 08:10 AM   #23 
  - The article was making a sociological comparison, not an ideological one.  Odin2005   Feb-25-10 08:17 AM   #28 
  - Nevertheless, it still doesn't work.  Jackpine Radical   Feb-25-10 07:29 PM   #80 
  - +1  Johonny   Feb-25-10 08:55 AM   #48 
  - +1000  Cetacea   Feb-25-10 08:56 AM   #49 
  - I think it's something we should learn from  XemaSab   Feb-26-10 01:17 PM   #109 
  - Good. Maybe they'll destroy the right's cohesiveness and derail its priorities  asthmaticeog   Feb-25-10 06:31 AM   #3 
  - Which priority did the sixties left derail?  Toots   Feb-25-10 07:58 AM   #22 
     - How about the monolithic Democratic Party, that was in charge 80% of the time from 1932  RaleighNCDUer   Feb-25-10 09:11 AM   #53 
        - Eh? LBJ admitted that the Civil Rights Act screwed that pooch.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-25-10 01:56 PM   #70 
        - I totally agree with your point about the fascist structure  XemaSab   Feb-26-10 01:30 PM   #111 
  - The only reason the so-called Tea Party has any credibility at all  ixion   Feb-25-10 06:33 AM   #4 
  - +1, ixion.  Enthusiast   Feb-25-10 07:07 AM   #13 
  - +infinity  Warren Stupidity   Feb-25-10 07:35 AM   #17 
  - + infinity +1  Richard Steele   Feb-25-10 08:15 AM   #26 
  - +1. Everyone can just read ixion's msg above and leave this thread. Nail in coffin. n/t  FormerDittoHead   Feb-25-10 08:19 AM   #29 
  - we on the Left know all too well what ignoring a group can do to a movement  fascisthunter   Feb-25-10 08:26 AM   #35 
  - !!!  SammyWinstonJack   Feb-25-10 08:58 AM   #50 
  - I'd go so far as to say the "tea party" is a blank-canvass/bogeyman  Romulox   Feb-25-10 09:31 AM   #56 
  - I believe the political term is "neoliberals". I think we ought start............  pattmarty   Feb-25-10 02:12 PM   #74 
  - +1 for popinjay  arcadian   Feb-25-10 09:26 PM   #88 
  - lol  ixion   Feb-26-10 05:42 AM   #91 
  - Thank you. eom  Hello_Kitty   Feb-26-10 01:16 PM   #108 
  - I wrote something similar a month or so ago about the left/right similarity  Warpy   Feb-25-10 06:36 AM   #6 
  - Given that most of these teabaggers seem to be Boomers I think it's an interesting mirror image.  Odin2005   Feb-25-10 08:20 AM   #30 
  - Boomers haven't gone into retirement in significant numbers yet  Warpy   Feb-25-10 08:25 AM   #33 
     - You mean what is often called the Silent Generation?  Odin2005   Feb-25-10 08:31 AM   #38 
     - Repeating a lie doesn't make it come true  Warpy   Feb-25-10 08:34 AM   #41 
        - Maybe I'm misremembering things, I swear I saw a lot of people in their 50s and 60s...  Odin2005   Feb-25-10 08:42 AM   #43 
           - They all looked mid 60s to mid 70s to me.  Warpy   Feb-25-10 09:04 AM   #51 
           - Some boomers were like Ted Nugent or Jane Fonda  Urban Prairie   Feb-25-10 11:09 AM   #63 
              - I don't know if it's fair to compare Nugent or Fonda? A more apt person would...........  pattmarty   Feb-25-10 02:34 PM   #76 
              - Ummm....Jane Fonda is not a conservative  RFKHumphreyObama   Feb-25-10 09:45 PM   #89 
              - Jane Fonda was born in 1938, hence, not a Boomer. eom  Hello_Kitty   Feb-26-10 01:58 PM   #113 
     - Generation Suck. LOL!  catbyte   Feb-25-10 10:47 AM   #59 
     - I am a War Child. Born just between the Organization Men  Hardrada   Feb-26-10 12:56 PM   #105 
  - IMO, by the mid-70s, and  Urban Prairie   Feb-25-10 08:34 AM   #40 
     - Most Boomers didn't do nearly as well economically as the characters in  raccoon   Feb-25-10 09:07 AM   #52 
     - No kidding, they were all rich and skinny  Warpy   Feb-25-10 01:59 PM   #71 
     - I hated "30something"also, Same people.  Hardrada   Feb-26-10 12:48 PM   #104 
     - A lot of us hit the job market just as wages stopped keeping up with CoL.  EFerrari   Feb-25-10 08:42 PM   #85 
     - I was in Boston  Warpy   Feb-25-10 09:52 AM   #58 
  - The difference is, many on the Right are heavily armed, and have already assassinated people  leveymg   Feb-25-10 06:46 AM   #8 
  - This is the important missing piece  zipplewrath   Feb-25-10 07:36 AM   #18 
  - Blaming the victim for not leaving  harkadog   Feb-25-10 09:19 PM   #87 
  - I didn't say it was "his fault". You did. And, I'm not apologizing for the Weathermen bombings.  leveymg   Feb-26-10 07:16 AM   #93 
     - This is the link to the SF bombing  harkadog   Feb-26-10 12:27 PM   #97 
        - That article is dated March 12, 2009. Anything since then?  leveymg   Feb-26-10 02:26 PM   #114 
           - I have nothing more recent  harkadog   Feb-26-10 02:35 PM   #116 
  - I don't think Robert Fassnacht "refused to vacate."  Jackpine Radical   Feb-26-10 12:37 PM   #101 
     - There were many previous bomb threats.  leveymg   Feb-26-10 02:28 PM   #115 
  - 180 degrees  timtom   Feb-25-10 06:54 AM   #9 
  - The 60s was different in that the masses of people involved.  OHdem10   Feb-25-10 07:01 AM   #11 
  - Insulting. nt  Enthusiast   Feb-25-10 07:02 AM   #12 
  - Looks like they skipped Woodstock and went straight for Altamont  Champion Jack   Feb-25-10 07:07 AM   #14 
  - Good one!  Cetacea   Feb-25-10 08:53 AM   #45 
     - dupe  Cetacea   Feb-25-10 08:55 AM   #47 
  - ya right.....  madrchsod   Feb-25-10 07:18 AM   #15 
  - Analogy Fail  Warren Stupidity   Feb-25-10 07:36 AM   #19 
  - New Left didn't have corporate funding. /nt  philly_bob   Feb-25-10 07:38 AM   #20 
  - all you need is love vs. all you need is hate  spanone   Feb-25-10 07:51 AM   #21 
  - They are slightly similar, on the surface  CHelms   Feb-25-10 08:10 AM   #24 
  - Only in as much as they're angry and express distrust of their govt.  damyank913   Feb-25-10 08:14 AM   # 
  - Good article.  Odin2005   Feb-25-10 08:14 AM   #25 
  - The "60s movement" it most closely resembles would be the KKK.  bullwinkle428   Feb-25-10 08:15 AM   #27 
  - The tea party is disenchanted republicans who lost their jobs  Kokonoe   Feb-25-10 08:20 AM   #31 
  - No, the "New Right" looks a lot like the "Old Right" of the 60s....  Richard Steele   Feb-25-10 08:22 AM   #32 
  - YAF  Warren Stupidity   Feb-25-10 08:27 AM   #37 
  - It does seem that the Teabaggers  Art_from_Ark   Feb-25-10 08:22 PM   #83 
  - Yeah. I have a BIL who has been a consistent racist gun nut  Hardrada   Feb-26-10 01:04 PM   #106 
  - The bulk of the Tea Baggers  The Wizard   Feb-25-10 08:25 AM   #34 
  - "Hated them for their freedom" LOL, epic win!  Odin2005   Feb-25-10 08:32 AM   #39 
  - Right on man, groovy!  berni_mccoy   Feb-25-10 08:26 AM   #36 
  - Well, now and then one needs to see an incoherent argument just so you know what one looks like  ThomWV   Feb-25-10 08:39 AM   #42 
  - The best response on the thread.  David Zephyr   Feb-25-10 03:32 PM   #77 
  - Wait... You mean this wasn't The Onion?  The_Commonist   Feb-25-10 08:45 AM   #44 
  - The far Right fringe is unstable, lacking empathy and heavily armed. And more easily lead  KittyWampus   Feb-25-10 08:54 AM   #46 
  - Such bullshit  whatchamacallit   Feb-25-10 09:27 AM   #54 
  - It seems to me that "New" Democrats simply haven't learned how to co-opt this right wing  Romulox   Feb-25-10 09:29 AM   #55 
  - T-baggers are owned and financed by the right wing elites . . .  defendandprotect   Feb-25-10 09:45 AM   #57 
  - I hope so. The New Left was fucking useless. nt  anonymous171   Feb-25-10 10:49 AM   #60 
  - Oh that's harsh. Look at all we accomplished:  Warren Stupidity   Feb-25-10 01:46 PM   #69 
  - Further weak, drastically misguided attempts to align TBs w/the left  Echo In Light   Feb-25-10 10:50 AM   #61 
  - It's true that in the 60s "The Movement" contained many disparate groups.  Jim__   Feb-25-10 10:56 AM   #62 
  - Will, I was actually AROUND in the 60's  placton   Feb-25-10 11:51 AM   #64 
  - It wasn't my comparison.  WilliamPitt   Feb-25-10 12:21 PM   #68 
  - "but OUR causes were many"  G_j   Feb-25-10 11:57 AM   #65 
  - Sorta like comparing Mussolini's march on Rome to Gandhi's march to the sea.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-25-10 11:58 AM   #66 
  - thank you!  G_j   Feb-25-10 12:00 PM   #67 
     - Yes, My Thelonious-loving brother!  Prof Lester   Feb-26-10 12:22 PM   #96 
  - Not really  KingFlorez   Feb-25-10 02:03 PM   #72 
  - I'm going to disagree.  cornermouse   Feb-25-10 02:11 PM   #73 
  - No fucking way.  Blue_In_AK   Feb-25-10 02:19 PM   #75 
  - Seriously...  madriver   Feb-25-10 04:17 PM   #78 
  - Yes, that's exactly on target.  Jackpine Radical   Feb-25-10 07:30 PM   #81 
  - I think they're still the same rednecks they were in the 70s.  RainDog   Feb-25-10 07:50 PM   #82 
  - If the Left embraces diversity, why on earth would anyone expect us  EFerrari   Feb-25-10 08:25 PM   #84 
  - Yet it's odd how some DUers clearly do NOT embrace diversity  Echo In Light   Feb-26-10 12:30 PM   #99 
     - Yes. DU is now huge so, we can count on our statistical share of  EFerrari   Feb-26-10 02:37 PM   #117 
        - And then some...depending upon the topic at hand  Echo In Light   Feb-26-10 02:41 PM   #118 
  - Bullshit.  bemildred   Feb-25-10 08:43 PM   #86 
  - the teabaggers are the mullet of political movements  RainDog   Feb-25-10 10:18 PM   #90 
  - Except for the difference between Love and Hate, you mean?  annabanana   Feb-26-10 05:43 AM   #92 
  - Perhaps the same dynamics but much different goals.  zeemike   Feb-26-10 07:49 AM   #94 
  - Can/t believe I see a Will Pitts post at  zeemike   Feb-26-10 08:00 AM   #95 
  - 'Baggers hate African Americans. Period.  Prof Lester   Feb-26-10 12:29 PM   #98 
  - I believe all the ideologies in the New Left mentioned in your OP had a common basis  laughingliberal   Feb-26-10 12:34 PM   #100 
  - Oh yeah? Show us their Baez or Dylan or Lennon!  Hardrada   Feb-26-10 01:10 PM   #107 
  - we were anti practically everything the Teas are for. The only comparison  librechik   Feb-26-10 01:18 PM   #110 
  - New Right VS, 60's new Left  lotuspetal   Feb-26-10 01:46 PM   #112 

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