| 133. I think it's mainly for privacy reasons. |
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He may have some disease they don't want publicly identified, such as Hep C or HIV.
They may simply not want it all out in the public domain.
I suspect they mainly want to throw a net around the autopsy and keep it private until they want to use it for their case.
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| - IRS worker's widow sues pilot's wife |
cali |
Feb-24-10 11:21 AM |
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Sad all around. |
Brickbat |
Feb-24-10 11:23 AM |
#1 |
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Don't people normally sue an estate in these cases? |
Barack_America |
Feb-24-10 11:24 AM |
#2 |
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She's not suing the estate |
NoNothing |
Feb-24-10 11:29 AM |
#9 |
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Hence my question. |
Barack_America |
Feb-24-10 11:30 AM |
#10 |
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They're not suing the estate for this claim. It's against the wife. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-24-10 02:19 PM |
#57 |
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Good summary except the word "slighest indication". |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:22 PM |
#59 |
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The burden of proof is "preponderance of the evidence." |
TexasObserver |
Feb-24-10 02:31 PM |
#68 |
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Not a statement the guy made. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:37 PM |
#74 |
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You imagine "proof" in court is more than it is. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-24-10 02:53 PM |
#88 |
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Juries are imperfect however that is why a complaint should have some merit. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:59 PM |
#94 |
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So do I. |
virgogal |
Feb-24-10 11:51 AM |
#23 |
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There may not be an "estate" because he has a surviving spouse. |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Feb-24-10 11:33 AM |
#15 |
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Ah, thanks for that. |
Barack_America |
Feb-24-10 11:44 AM |
#21 |
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It depends actually |
NoNothing |
Feb-24-10 11:58 AM |
#25 |
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If everything, like most middle class people, is held as joint tenants with right of survivorship .. |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Feb-24-10 12:17 PM |
#28 |
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Correct but that is different then saying there is no estate. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 01:57 PM |
#38 |
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That depends on the state laws on marital property |
NoNothing |
Feb-24-10 02:38 PM |
#76 |
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It differs per state. |
Shell Beau |
Feb-24-10 02:48 PM |
#82 |
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Marital property is different than items such as bank accts, cars and houses held as joint tenants |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Feb-24-10 03:07 PM |
#98 |
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Texas.... |
sendero |
Feb-24-10 07:29 PM |
#159 |
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If there is no will, then it goes to his legal heirs as determined by the |
Shell Beau |
Feb-24-10 01:51 PM |
#35 |
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Yes but there is still an estate. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:26 PM |
#63 |
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Are you saying there is ALWAYS probate? |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Feb-24-10 02:54 PM |
#91 |
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Unless the estate is empty. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 03:13 PM |
#102 |
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I think we are on the same page. |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Feb-24-10 03:17 PM |
#107 |
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That doesn't sound right. Everyone has an estate. |
Shell Beau |
Feb-24-10 01:50 PM |
#33 |
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Not true. 1) there is ALWAYS an estate. it may be a worthless estate but it is there ... |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 01:56 PM |
#37 |
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I guess I should have been more specific. Yes, everyone has an estate but in a lot of cases ... |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Feb-24-10 03:13 PM |
#103 |
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That is true (I think) or at least in most estates. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 03:14 PM |
#104 |
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Is she his 2nd wife? |
WolverineDG |
Feb-24-10 02:52 PM |
#87 |
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He committed suicide, so no life insurance |
Love Bug |
Feb-24-10 07:03 PM |
#157 |
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No necessarily. If there IS a life policy most likely suicide is only precluded first two years. |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Feb-24-10 09:47 PM |
#177 |
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and you'd lose that bet |
griffi94 |
Feb-25-10 08:09 AM |
#183 |
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A surviving spouse and a brazillion dollars in back taxes(nt) |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Feb-24-10 07:47 PM |
#163 |
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Don't think you can sue an estate in Texas |
End Of The Road |
Feb-24-10 01:51 PM |
#34 |
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If someone dies, and they owe money to creditors (or whoever), |
Shell Beau |
Feb-24-10 01:54 PM |
#36 |
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Not in Texas |
End Of The Road |
Feb-24-10 02:00 PM |
#39 |
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How can the executor or administrator be sued if they aren't the |
Shell Beau |
Feb-24-10 02:05 PM |
#45 |
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They can't and aren't. You file a claim against the estate (link) |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:12 PM |
#50 |
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That wouldn't make sense. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:00 PM |
#41 |
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Hey, I said I just live here, I'm not an attorney, but |
End Of The Road |
Feb-24-10 02:13 PM |
#51 |
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Mr Blow seems more likely. Mrs. Hunter is an interested party in the estate and is unlikely to be |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:17 PM |
#56 |
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Yes, you can, but you're not going to get much |
WolverineDG |
Feb-24-10 02:53 PM |
#90 |
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Don't all life insurance policies preclude payout for suicide? |
hlthe2b |
Feb-24-10 11:25 AM |
#3 |
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There is usually a two year "suicide clause". |
Poker Player |
Feb-24-10 11:28 AM |
#7 |
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Same here on initial reaction, but she has a point with "a duty to avoid a foreseeable risk of |
FSogol |
Feb-24-10 11:25 AM |
#4 |
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Perhaps the point is to send a message to those defending his actions... |
hlthe2b |
Feb-24-10 11:26 AM |
#5 |
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If they were added to the lawsuit they would shut up in a hurry. |
theoldman |
Feb-24-10 11:28 AM |
#8 |
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If that's the case |
atreides1 |
Feb-24-10 11:30 AM |
#11 |
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She was not in a position to know what his imminent plans or |
hlthe2b |
Feb-24-10 11:32 AM |
#12 |
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Exactly! |
Larkspur |
Feb-24-10 12:21 PM |
#29 |
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And even if there is any, doesn't the IRS get first dibs? |
hughee99 |
Feb-24-10 11:33 AM |
#13 |
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And how would the wife had known that? |
atreides1 |
Feb-24-10 11:35 AM |
#16 |
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Pretty hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt that a wife ... |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:05 PM |
#44 |
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Beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard for a criminal case. Not civil. n/t |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 02:50 PM |
#85 |
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That's what I was thinking. |
superduperfarleft |
Feb-24-10 03:32 PM |
#116 |
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And if she was worried he might assault someone, did nothing |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 03:53 PM |
#130 |
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So what do you propose she do? |
superduperfarleft |
Feb-24-10 04:28 PM |
#140 |
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No but she could have called the cops for beating on her ass and warned them |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 08:05 PM |
#168 |
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Ah, so you ARE blaming an abused wife for not doing something about her situation. |
superduperfarleft |
Feb-24-10 09:27 PM |
#174 |
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except he didn't beat her |
griffi94 |
Feb-25-10 08:14 AM |
#184 |
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So it was foreseeable that he would fly his plane into a building the next day? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Feb-24-10 04:00 PM |
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Of course. Isn't that the first thing that comes to mind in a domestic violence situation? n/t |
superduperfarleft |
Feb-24-10 04:29 PM |
#142 |
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Those who are calling Stack a hero need to be reminded of the truth |
left coaster |
Feb-24-10 11:27 AM |
#6 |
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Explain that one to us |
atreides1 |
Feb-24-10 11:40 AM |
#20 |
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I don't know what he meant, but I'll give an answer of my own. |
jobycom |
Feb-24-10 12:12 PM |
#27 |
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All of these women need to mellow out. |
951-Riverside |
Feb-24-10 11:33 AM |
#14 |
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Should sue the Republican Party |
Winterblues |
Feb-24-10 11:36 AM |
#17 |
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+1 or at least Rep. King |
ecstatic |
Feb-24-10 11:38 AM |
#19 |
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I feel for Mrs. Hunter, but there is no way Mrs. Stack could have foreseen |
ecstatic |
Feb-24-10 11:37 AM |
#18 |
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She's just suing to make sure her bases are covered. |
jobycom |
Feb-24-10 11:50 AM |
#22 |
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Good post! |
Spazito |
Feb-24-10 02:06 PM |
#46 |
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More power to Mrs. Hunter. If I were an attorney, I'd file the suit for free. |
sinkingfeeling |
Feb-24-10 11:53 AM |
#24 |
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Ugh |
NoNothing |
Feb-24-10 12:01 PM |
#26 |
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Because I doubt that a person marries and remains with another person without sharing basic beliefs. |
sinkingfeeling |
Feb-24-10 01:48 PM |
#31 |
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Why does Mrs. Hunter HAVE to sue anyone? |
superduperfarleft |
Feb-24-10 01:50 PM |
#32 |
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This is the USA,. We sue everybody. So because Mrs. Hunter's husband was murdered she should just |
sinkingfeeling |
Feb-24-10 02:01 PM |
#42 |
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She can only be sued if she has liability. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:10 PM |
#49 |
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OJ actually committed the crime. Mrs. Stack committed no crime. |
superduperfarleft |
Feb-24-10 03:18 PM |
#108 |
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I heard an interview with the attorney this morning |
End Of The Road |
Feb-24-10 02:03 PM |
#43 |
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Interesting... |
beevul |
Feb-24-10 08:59 PM |
#172 |
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no it won't |
griffi94 |
Feb-25-10 08:20 AM |
#185 |
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THERE IS ALWAYS AN ESTATE. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:09 PM |
#48 |
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OK, but there's not necessarily any MONEY or ASSETS in such an estate. |
Romulox |
Feb-24-10 02:14 PM |
#54 |
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Agreed but the claim is against the estate. If the estate has no money they the claim is worthless. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:20 PM |
#58 |
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No--this lady is claiming the widow of the pilot herself breeched a duty as to the IRS agent |
Romulox |
Feb-24-10 02:24 PM |
#61 |
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I understand however now the burden of proof rises. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:29 PM |
#65 |
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I largely agree with you. |
Romulox |
Feb-24-10 02:36 PM |
#72 |
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Romulox mark you calender (we rarely agree on things) and I agre with you on this one. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:45 PM |
#79 |
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Not if all assets are held in joint ownership with the rights of suvivorship. The survivor, Mrs. |
sinkingfeeling |
Feb-24-10 02:53 PM |
#89 |
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Our Constitution prevents prosecutions for thought crimes. Look it up! nt |
Romulox |
Feb-24-10 02:13 PM |
#53 |
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Not true. My own parents are conservatives, my husband is more conservative then me. |
Jennicut |
Feb-24-10 03:57 PM |
#132 |
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Good point, anyone have Carville's number? |
Fla_Democrat |
Feb-25-10 08:38 AM |
#186 |
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Isn't that what people are doing who are going after Mrs. Hunter? |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 02:22 PM |
#60 |
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Wife of "asshole terrorist" isn't a crime. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:32 PM |
#69 |
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If she had an inkling of what he was thinking and did nothing she should be punished. |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 02:39 PM |
#77 |
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You know, despite what the DU Binary Thinking brigade says, |
superduperfarleft |
Feb-24-10 03:20 PM |
#110 |
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And yet I don't hear anyone calling Mrs. Stack names. They damn sure are calling Mrs. Hunter names. |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 03:44 PM |
#124 |
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Who is calling her names? |
superduperfarleft |
Feb-24-10 03:47 PM |
#127 |
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I haven't seen anyone here calling Mrs. Hunter names. Do you have a link? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Feb-24-10 04:07 PM |
#134 |
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This works for me. |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 04:24 PM |
#139 |
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Reaching... n/t |
superduperfarleft |
Feb-24-10 04:29 PM |
#141 |
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I don't think so. It was uncalled for considering the circumstances. n/t |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 04:30 PM |
#143 |
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I think it's a low thing to do as well. |
superduperfarleft |
Feb-24-10 04:32 PM |
#144 |
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Your sympathy oozes from every post you've put up. |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 08:06 PM |
#169 |
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Really? I'm sympathizing with both of them. |
superduperfarleft |
Feb-24-10 09:28 PM |
#175 |
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Alrighty then. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Feb-24-10 07:57 PM |
#167 |
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Why? You like punishing victims? |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:06 PM |
#47 |
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The VICTIM is Mrs. Hunter. n/t |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 02:25 PM |
#62 |
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There are many victims. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:30 PM |
#66 |
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No one said Mrs. Stack is a criminal. But that doesn't mean she's not liable. |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 02:42 PM |
#78 |
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Is she the mother of the daughter who thinks Stack is a hero? |
proud2BlibKansan |
Feb-24-10 12:42 PM |
#30 |
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no sheryl isn't samanthas mother |
griffi94 |
Feb-25-10 08:43 AM |
#187 |
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Smart move on the part of the murdered man's family. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-24-10 02:00 PM |
#40 |
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Suing the estate is valid. Suing the wife directly is only valid IF she had knowledge. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:16 PM |
#55 |
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Suing the wife is valid if she was in any way negligent. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-24-10 02:26 PM |
#64 |
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Does it have to be mutually exclusive? Can Mrs. Hunter sue both Mrs. Stack AND Mr. Stack's estate? |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 02:31 PM |
#67 |
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No. They will pursue both claims against both defendants. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-24-10 02:37 PM |
#73 |
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Seems to me that it would be wise to tie up the assets to keep them from being moved otherwise it |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 02:46 PM |
#80 |
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Hunter's attorneys are just trying to box in the assets and the evidence. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-24-10 03:04 PM |
#95 |
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It's too bad so many people seem to think that Mrs. Hunter should take Mrs. Stack's well being |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 03:15 PM |
#105 |
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A battered spouse going ot hotel doesn't meet the burden of proof. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:36 PM |
#71 |
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It all depends on what the evidence shows. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-24-10 02:47 PM |
#81 |
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Another reason why judges shouldn't be elected. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:49 PM |
#84 |
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So says the Republican party. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-24-10 03:04 PM |
#97 |
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Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the complaint suppose to have some element of evidence. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:55 PM |
#92 |
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A pleading is to put defendants on notice of the claim. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-24-10 03:33 PM |
#117 |
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I see. Well I will wait with interest for next filings. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 03:39 PM |
#119 |
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The reports, in the media at least, go a little beyond "she went to a hotel" |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Feb-24-10 05:04 PM |
#150 |
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Based on what we know so far.... no. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 05:37 PM |
#152 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Feb-24-10 02:13 PM |
#52 |
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The widow had her house burned down around her the same day. What does she have left? |
Hekate |
Feb-24-10 02:33 PM |
#70 |
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Well thats just plain greedy and mean... |
winyanstaz |
Feb-24-10 02:37 PM |
#75 |
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The IRS didn't kill the woman's husband. |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 02:49 PM |
#83 |
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Neither did Mrs. Stacks. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 02:50 PM |
#86 |
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If it could be proven that Mrs. Stack could have done something to stop Mr. Stack then she is liable |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 02:55 PM |
#93 |
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should the family of every drunk driver be sued just to see whether it can be |
onenote |
Feb-24-10 03:04 PM |
#96 |
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That would be up to the family of the deceased wouldn't it? |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 03:12 PM |
#101 |
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No it shouldn't be up to the someone if they want to file a baseless claim. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 03:19 PM |
#109 |
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THey can file the claim. Whether or not it is baseless would be up to the court to |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 03:46 PM |
#125 |
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The lawsuit as filed is BS. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 03:08 PM |
#99 |
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Whether or not Mrs. Stack is negligent is for the court to decide. |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 03:16 PM |
#106 |
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That isn't justice. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 03:21 PM |
#112 |
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THAT is how our court system works. |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 03:50 PM |
#129 |
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Does the fact that even the Police have no duty to protect change your mind? |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 06:17 PM |
#156 |
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I really doubt they expect to get anything out of this. I'm sure the suit is there for discovery ... |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Feb-24-10 03:23 PM |
#113 |
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I don't think that is the only thing. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 03:37 PM |
#118 |
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first..neither did the man's wife. |
winyanstaz |
Feb-24-10 03:47 PM |
#128 |
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You don't know that. THAT is the part to be decided in court. |
Raineyb |
Feb-24-10 04:22 PM |
#137 |
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I'm finding it hard to feel sorry for a "widow" |
WolverineDG |
Feb-24-10 04:51 PM |
#148 |
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KENS5 in San Antonio interviewed the attorney for Mrs. Hunter. |
sinkingfeeling |
Feb-24-10 03:09 PM |
#100 |
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The lawyer told the truth but not the WHOLE truth. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 03:31 PM |
#115 |
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That's a gross mischaracterization of what the lawyer is doing. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-24-10 03:47 PM |
#126 |
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"The goal is to hold the Stack family accountable." The is the problem with lawyers. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 05:36 PM |
#151 |
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You summarily find no fault with the widow, but there may be. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-24-10 05:41 PM |
#153 |
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Here's a summary of the lawsuit. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-24-10 03:21 PM |
#111 |
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FACTS section is very light |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 03:29 PM |
#114 |
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Don't worry. They're working on a monster Amended Pleading. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-24-10 03:39 PM |
#120 |
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We kinda are carrying on a conversation at top and bottom of the thread. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 03:42 PM |
#122 |
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I think there will be facts that will come out in discovery to support the claim. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-24-10 04:08 PM |
#136 |
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I'm curious where the legal duty to warn comes from? |
onenote |
Feb-24-10 03:44 PM |
#123 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-24-10 04:44 PM |
#146 |
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Why would Mrs. Stack have to proven negligent? The IRS employee was |
mudplanet |
Feb-24-10 03:53 PM |
#131 |
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if the suit is against Joseph Stack's estate based on his actions |
onenote |
Feb-24-10 04:23 PM |
#138 |
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The guy who murdered him is dead. The woman being sued didn't kill anybody. |
Romulox |
Feb-24-10 04:47 PM |
#147 |
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Yea, and the murderer is liable for damages to the mudered's family |
mudplanet |
Feb-24-10 07:26 PM |
#158 |
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Suing the estate is one thing. If you read you would have understood. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 07:39 PM |
#161 |
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WTF? No it isn't |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 05:45 PM |
#154 |
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See my post above. I suspect that the lawyer filed against Mrs. Stacks as |
mudplanet |
Feb-24-10 07:37 PM |
#160 |
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That wasn't your claim. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 07:43 PM |
#162 |
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As I said, I believe the suit was filed to allow them to freeze her assests. |
mudplanet |
Feb-24-10 08:18 PM |
#170 |
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Nice backtrack. But that wasn't your claim. Here are your words. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 08:43 PM |
#171 |
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Oh my goodness. You've defeated me again, moriarity. |
mudplanet |
Feb-24-10 09:30 PM |
#176 |
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The estate has nothing. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 09:56 PM |
#178 |
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Moriarity, you're able to see into the future. That explains it. Mrs. Stacks should hire you. |
mudplanet |
Feb-24-10 10:34 PM |
#179 |
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You are mistaken ... failure to warn is not universal. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 10:50 PM |
#180 |
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Wow. You're right. Failure to warn is only universal with therapists and |
mudplanet |
Feb-25-10 11:00 AM |
#189 |
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Why do they want to keep the autopsy under wraps? Any idea how that affects the case? |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Feb-24-10 03:39 PM |
#121 |
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I think it's mainly for privacy reasons. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-24-10 04:00 PM |
#133 |
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That's the part I don't understand. |
reflection |
Feb-24-10 04:07 PM |
#135 |
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Since the house is burned up and the plane is blown up, I don't imagine |
cutlassmama |
Feb-24-10 04:33 PM |
#145 |
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Wrongful death... |
hayu_lol |
Feb-24-10 04:55 PM |
#149 |
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Wait a second THERAPISTS don't even have a duty to warn in Texas. |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 06:00 PM |
#155 |
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Just plain silly.. |
sendero |
Feb-24-10 07:49 PM |
#164 |
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Fascinating Case. Does anybody know if he had formed any kind of LLC? NT |
Mike 03 |
Feb-24-10 07:54 PM |
#165 |
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Rec, by the way. I can't think of any logical reason to dis-rec a thread like this. NT |
Mike 03 |
Feb-24-10 07:55 PM |
#166 |
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If anything she should be suing that idiot of a daughter |
RFKHumphreyObama |
Feb-24-10 09:02 PM |
#173 |
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For what crime? |
Statistical |
Feb-24-10 10:55 PM |
#182 |
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That's a stretch |
Canuckistanian |
Feb-24-10 10:54 PM |
#181 |
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On the face of it, doesn't hold water... |
ljm2002 |
Feb-25-10 08:44 AM |
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