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LadyHawkAZ Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 05:59 PM
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74. This is what it's about...

"Making law based on one unfortunate incident is knee-jerk governing. That's what Rep. Carl Wimmer, R-Herriman, is trying to do with his House Bill 12, which allows the state to prosecute a woman for criminal homicide if she causes her own miscarriage.

Last year a 17-year-old girl in Vernal who became pregnant paid someone to beat her in a sad and misguided attempt to cause a miscarriage. But Wimmer doesn't see this isolated incident as a heartrending situation in which a teenager was so desperate and pathetically uninformed that she risked her own life to end her pregnancy instead of seeking a legal abortion.

On the contrary, Wimmer only sees a potential opportunity to prosecute a young girl for making a horrific decision. In this case, it was an opportunity lost because of what he sees as a "loophole" in the law. But Wimmer also sees a chance to once again send his oft-repeated message that, since the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld abortion as a woman's right, Utah legislators will do everything they can to punish women for making that choice. While we don't condone ending a pregnancy except by safe and legal means, this legislation is an outgrowth of that heartless, punitive attitude."

Like the op-ed says, it was a knee-jerk reaction to one incident. I doubt it's going to last through the inevitable court challenge, and good riddance to it.

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  -Utah Bill Criminalizes Miscarriage checks-n-balances  Feb-21-10 09:09 PM   #0 
  - WTF!?!  Odin2005   Feb-21-10 09:09 PM   #1 
  - I second that comment  proud2BlibKansan   Feb-21-10 09:17 PM   #5 
  - WTF times TEN MILLION!  Ken Burch   Feb-22-10 05:01 PM   #60 
  - A malfunctioning clown car will NOT be tolerated!  gmoney   Feb-21-10 09:11 PM   #2 
  - reminds me of Monty Python's "Every Sperm is Sacred".  nightrain   Feb-21-10 09:12 PM   #3 
  - That is psychotic  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Feb-21-10 09:14 PM   #4 
  - Maternal age may not have been the reason. Many women of all ages miscarry.  Maru Kitteh   Feb-22-10 01:21 AM   #29 
  - Right. I had one in my 20's. Was devastated. I did nothing to cause it  cutlassmama   Feb-22-10 05:21 AM   #31 
  - That's right. I had two miscarriages when I was in my early 20's.  Arkansas Granny   Feb-22-10 08:11 AM   #40 
  - I had a miscarriage before any of my kids were born  babydollhead   Feb-22-10 09:24 AM   #42 
  - criminalize cancer while you're at it...  spanone   Feb-21-10 09:18 PM   #6 
  - I think Bart Simpson said it best...  ck4829   Feb-21-10 09:19 PM   #7 
  - K & R......  winyanstaz   Feb-21-10 09:35 PM   #8 
  - Yes, I lived in Utah for over five years.  newspeak   Feb-22-10 09:36 AM   #43 
     - My grandfather, in the 1920's quit the Mormon Church because he said  Ken Burch   Feb-22-10 05:04 PM   #61 
  - Maybe they're looking to increase their female prison population...  checks-n-balances   Feb-21-10 09:35 PM   #9 
  - Male-supremacist religion is psychotic -- !!! And Utah is heavily infested . ..!!!  defendandprotect   Feb-21-10 09:36 PM   #10 
  - Goddamn.  Kitty Herder   Feb-21-10 09:40 PM   #11 
  - To be fair to your state, it's not just Utah  me b zola   Feb-21-10 10:02 PM   #20 
     - What's the other state? We need to bust THEM on this, too!  Ken Burch   Feb-22-10 05:06 PM   #62 
  - I am more than sure they didn't take into acount that some  MadMaddie   Feb-21-10 09:42 PM   #12 
  - It's a good thing AK didn't have this law when Palin "gave birth" to Trig  katandmoon   Feb-21-10 09:43 PM   #13 
  - Why is that?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 10:07 PM   #23 
     - You've not heard of her wild ride from TX to AK after her water broke?  katandmoon   Feb-22-10 09:17 AM   #41 
        - How would this law have affected her?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-23-10 10:07 AM   #87 
  - Recently Tweety interviewed Conservative Legislator from NY(Upstate)  OHdem10   Feb-21-10 09:44 PM   #14 
  - and the woman hating goes on, unabated, in the patriarchal madhouse that is mormon utah.  niyad   Feb-21-10 09:47 PM   #15 
  - Pro-life? My @$$!  alp227   Feb-21-10 09:51 PM   #16 
  - Hypothetical scenario  noamnety   Feb-21-10 09:52 PM   #17 
  - wasn't there a case just a few weeks ago (and widely covered here on DU), where a doc and hospital  niyad   Feb-21-10 09:56 PM   #19 
  - revolting n/t  fishwax   Feb-21-10 09:52 PM   #18 
  - An L & D nurse once told me about women taking a big dose of cocaine to cause a misscarriage.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 10:02 PM   #21 
  - *facebludgeon*  sakabatou   Feb-21-10 10:02 PM   #22 
  - I think we can safely say Utah isn't moving to the blue column any time soon. Too weird ...  ProgressOnTheMove   Feb-21-10 11:06 PM   #24 
  - My Mother had 5 children and 2 miscarriages  burrowowl   Feb-21-10 11:52 PM   #25 
  - Wow TWO miscarriages. In Utah, you get life for that these days...  readmoreoften   Feb-22-10 05:09 PM   #63 
  - I KNEW it - they're going to make women's wombs crime scenes!  Zoeisright   Feb-21-10 11:54 PM   #26 
  - It'll be interesting to see where they put the crime scene tape.  Wizard777   Feb-22-10 05:32 AM   #32 
  - If the Gov. signs this....time to send used tampons to the Capitol.  PassingFair   Feb-22-10 07:55 AM   #39 
  - The Talibornagains get bolder and more insane  Lorien   Feb-22-10 12:42 AM   #27 
  - I think we need a law criminalizing stupid.  D23MIURG23   Feb-22-10 12:56 AM   #28 
  - Of COURSE they want to put women in jail.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-22-10 02:15 AM   #30 
  - Shouldn't women have an Equal Right to go to jail over reproductive issues?  Wizard777   Feb-22-10 05:35 AM   #33 
     - Oh Christ.  LeftyMom   Feb-22-10 10:49 AM   #50 
     - That comment is so full of head-scratching what-the-fuck, I don't even know where to begin.  Warren DeMontague   Feb-22-10 12:24 PM   #51 
     - You honestly think that child support is a "ransom payment"?  Warren DeMontague   Feb-22-10 02:19 PM   #52 
     - Well, a man DOES have a part in making that baby  BuelahWitch   Feb-22-10 07:39 PM   #83 
  - Good f**king grief......Medieval madness.  marmar   Feb-22-10 05:49 AM   #34 
  - The Handmaid's Tale  14thColony   Feb-22-10 05:51 AM   #35 
  - This is shocking beyond words.  Tailormyst   Feb-22-10 05:55 AM   #36 
  - OMFG!  pleah   Feb-22-10 07:20 AM   #37 
  - It's Utah. Are they even part of this country any more?  CBGLuthier   Feb-22-10 07:30 AM   #38 
  - kick  ensho   Feb-22-10 10:30 AM   #46 
  - Unique and stunning desert landscape.  Bette Noir   Feb-22-10 06:29 PM   #78 
  - Crime scene belts  Catbird   Feb-22-10 10:00 AM   #44 
  - that's actually not a bad idea...  druidity33   Feb-22-10 04:41 PM   #58 
  - Goodbye America. It was so nice to have known you.  npk   Feb-22-10 10:07 AM   #45 
  - Thank you for sharing this excellent explanation of the bill and  DevonRex   Feb-22-10 10:31 AM   #47 
  - This is blatantly unconstitutional and flagrantly unjust. It needs a court challenge, ASAP. n/t  Unvanguard   Feb-22-10 10:32 AM   #48 
  - I just wonder how long it will be before the women who collaborate  pipi_k   Feb-22-10 10:47 AM   #49 
  - Wow, this is just stunning.  progressoid   Feb-22-10 02:29 PM   #53 
  - Women need to stop being stupid and vote these a**holes out of office  Liberal_in_LA   Feb-22-10 02:34 PM   #54 
  - May these vile  femrap   Feb-22-10 03:17 PM   #55 
  - Time to start sending them used menstrual pads, "just in case" they want to check to make sure  uppityperson   Feb-22-10 03:22 PM   #56 
  - Next up? Sexually active women forced on vitamins to keep their wombs healthy *just in case*  readmoreoften   Feb-22-10 05:11 PM   #64 
  - I notified my Planned paenthood pR person about this and was going to call the dems when I realized  saracat   Feb-22-10 04:22 PM   #57 
  - Vile  MilesColtrane   Feb-22-10 04:42 PM   #59 
  - These people need to be locked up. And the voters that voted for them too.  LiberalFighter   Feb-22-10 05:17 PM   #65 
  - How many women that support this can be prosecuted if it passes?  LiberalFighter   Feb-22-10 05:20 PM   #66 
  - UT must be run by men  perdita9   Feb-22-10 05:20 PM   #67 
  - So I suppose Mom would be guilty of a misdemeanor  KamaAina   Feb-22-10 05:24 PM   #68 
  - The Utah Legislature is the clown car of the nations state houses.  KonaKane   Feb-22-10 05:25 PM   #69 
  - It is not a violation of Godwin's Law to point out  KamaAina   Feb-22-10 05:25 PM   #70 
  - oh for pete's f@$#^%@*# sake.  glinda   Feb-22-10 05:27 PM   #71 
  - The REAL Repuke agenda is revealed:  Utopian Leftist   Feb-22-10 05:30 PM   #72 
  - The Conservative(Bigot) Movement  fascisthunter   Feb-22-10 05:40 PM   #73 
  - This is what it's about...  LadyHawkAZ   Feb-22-10 05:59 PM   #74 
  - ....and back to the Dark Ages we go!  badgerpup   Feb-22-10 06:01 PM   #75 
  - Utah never really left them  KonaKane   Feb-22-10 07:31 PM   #82 
  - OK, so what's this Iowa thing all about...  caraher   Feb-22-10 06:04 PM   #76 
  - Dare I say... This is a miscarriage of justice!  Kip Humphrey   Feb-22-10 06:29 PM   #77 
  - Well since I have had 2 miscarriages and 2 ectopics,  Shell Beau   Feb-22-10 06:30 PM   #79 
  - What a convenient way to start criminalizing "undesirable" behavior. n/t  Beartracks   Feb-22-10 07:05 PM   #80 
  - And we'd like you barefoot with that pregnancy, please.  DrZeeLit   Feb-22-10 07:29 PM   #81 
  - What's Next? Childless women will be sent to jail  LittleGirl   Feb-22-10 07:47 PM   #84 
  - Actually, yes. The next logical step is to criminalize women who use Birth Control--  Moonwalk   Feb-22-10 09:08 PM   #86 
  - most miscarriages are the result of failed meiosis  northernlights   Feb-22-10 08:39 PM   #85 

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