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Mon Feb-22-10 11:53 AM
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| 118. No big whopdeedo at all. It's nice that the kids are learning how it was once done. |
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As the teacher says, it is a latin class after all. And it seems to be keeping the heathen, bugger-faced, testosterone-exploding boys in check when they are dealing with the girls in class. Less disruption, better relations. What's wrong with that?
The boys will absolutely lose these manners the second they graduate from class, but they'll remember the sentiment. That is, respect. The girls too.
BONUS ETIQUETTE TIP OF THE DAY FOR BIG MEN: It is generally considered polite to hold open a door for others. If you are a strapping, brutishly large guy and are headed for massive office tower revolving doors, do NOT magnanimously wave smaller women through first. This is the only time where it is more polite to plow ahead and do the heavy pushing so the woman can ease through behind you. Same goes for men, younger women versus older folks. Don't wave them through first.
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| - Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette |
cali |
Feb-21-10 10:54 AM |
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those poor helpless girls, no value at all without boys to cater to them lol nt |
msongs |
Feb-21-10 10:57 AM |
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I taught courtesy too. I would not acknowledge a kid who didn't use |
roguevalley |
Feb-21-10 06:14 PM |
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institutionalized sexism n/t |
RainDog |
Feb-21-10 10:58 AM |
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that was fast |
WolverineDG |
Feb-21-10 02:56 PM |
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I really don't understand your comment |
RainDog |
Feb-21-10 03:06 PM |
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Courtesy & respect are not sexism nt |
WolverineDG |
Feb-21-10 04:31 PM |
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exactly. so they shouldn't be taught in a sexist manner |
RainDog |
Feb-21-10 04:38 PM |
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You're the one calling it sexist, not me |
WolverineDG |
Feb-21-10 05:57 PM |
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lol |
RainDog |
Feb-21-10 06:22 PM |
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You read sexism into that because you see women as victims |
WolverineDG |
Feb-21-10 09:58 PM |
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Bullshit |
me b zola |
Feb-22-10 12:23 AM |
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It doesn't teach girls they are dependent on men |
WolverineDG |
Feb-22-10 06:28 AM |
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Those paternalistic rituals are exactly the opposite of respectful. |
Maru Kitteh |
Feb-23-10 06:36 AM |
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Exactly! |
OregonBi |
Feb-24-10 03:08 AM |
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Last time I checked... |
OregonBi |
Feb-24-10 03:04 AM |
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"Elitist" and "condescending"? Really?! Really???!!! In what way? |
lib_wit_it |
Feb-21-10 08:34 PM |
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"if you are unaware of the long line of thinking on the issue of paternalism |
WolverineDG |
Feb-21-10 10:00 PM |
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Well, that's one hyperventilating, sensationalistic way to interpret what the poster was saying. |
lib_wit_it |
Feb-22-10 12:08 AM |
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lol!!! |
RainDog |
Feb-22-10 12:14 AM |
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Equating courtesy & respect to sexism is not rational nt |
WolverineDG |
Feb-22-10 06:30 AM |
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do you have a problem with comprehension? |
RainDog |
Feb-22-10 10:45 AM |
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Please and thank you are good |
Threedifferentones |
Feb-22-10 11:34 AM |
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Really? Common decency and good manners are bad? |
OregonBi |
Feb-24-10 02:57 AM |
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i bet you are ugly? then lecture on being respectful of others? wow. nt |
seabeyond |
Feb-24-10 06:39 AM |
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Must old fashioned etiquette automatically be sexist? |
LWolf |
Feb-21-10 11:00 AM |
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exactly. it's entirely possible to teach etiquette without embedding |
cali |
Feb-21-10 11:02 AM |
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I completely agree! |
shiriko32 |
Feb-21-10 01:26 PM |
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Welcome to DU. |
surrealAmerican |
Feb-21-10 02:09 PM |
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Welcome to DU |
AsahinaKimi |
Feb-21-10 08:02 PM |
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Must old fashioned Etiquette be automatically sexist |
JJM |
Feb-21-10 05:25 PM |
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Being nice does count. |
LWolf |
Feb-21-10 05:57 PM |
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That is true |
Dorian Gray |
Feb-22-10 05:07 AM |
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Yuk. I would object to this if it were happening in MY kid's public school. |
PassingFair |
Feb-21-10 11:02 AM |
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This is a charter school |
Catshrink |
Feb-21-10 12:10 PM |
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I'm not against civility and repect - I prefer respect for women compared to locker room talk |
stray cat |
Feb-21-10 11:03 AM |
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Ugh. |
noamnety |
Feb-21-10 11:05 AM |
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Yes, that is exactly what I was feeling but you expressed ... |
prairierose |
Feb-21-10 11:40 AM |
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But that wouldn't be old-fashioned, would it? |
Gormy Cuss |
Feb-21-10 12:02 PM |
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LOL. Well put. |
Greybnk48 |
Feb-21-10 12:07 PM |
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Ahh, chivalry. Defined in part as "a willingness to help the weak." |
Greybnk48 |
Feb-21-10 11:58 AM |
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ok-maybe I'm old-fashioned |
w8liftinglady |
Feb-21-10 12:09 PM |
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What you've taught your sons is very common in... |
a la izquierda |
Feb-21-10 12:15 PM |
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maybe because I was raised in an Italian household-very traditional. |
w8liftinglady |
Feb-21-10 12:16 PM |
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possible... |
a la izquierda |
Feb-21-10 03:55 PM |
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my sons and I also open doors for people |
RainDog |
Feb-21-10 12:18 PM |
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Depends. What did you teach your daughters? (nm) |
Book Lover |
Feb-22-10 02:32 AM |
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I have a son and a daughter, they were both taught the same. I think it's called respect. :) |
madmom |
Feb-22-10 09:17 AM |
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I have also taught my sons the same |
Tailormyst |
Feb-22-10 06:44 AM |
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One can easily encourage respect and good manners WITHOUT sexism. |
Maru Kitteh |
Feb-21-10 12:18 PM |
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I believe in good manners and have taught my sons, but to me this is definitely |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Feb-21-10 12:18 PM |
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It's really not or |
justanaverageguy |
Feb-22-10 08:48 AM |
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i used to have those classes in the 50`s |
madrchsod |
Feb-21-10 12:24 PM |
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George Washington's Rules of Civility & Decent Behaviour In Company and Conversation |
pokerfan |
Feb-21-10 12:26 PM |
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number 41 |
melm00se |
Feb-22-10 06:59 AM |
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I think it's cool |
asdjrocky |
Feb-21-10 12:28 PM |
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I don't |
shiriko32 |
Feb-21-10 01:31 PM |
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I have a stepson. |
asdjrocky |
Feb-21-10 01:47 PM |
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Teaching kids to be respectful to each other |
MattBaggins |
Feb-21-10 02:37 PM |
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I think that a basic lesson in civility carries over to other spheres |
XemaSab |
Feb-22-10 12:37 AM |
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I say bravo, too |
customerserviceguy |
Feb-21-10 02:34 PM |
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I also say bravo. n/t |
Obamanaut |
Feb-21-10 05:32 PM |
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What is this, Victorian England? |
Arkana |
Feb-21-10 12:29 PM |
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yeah, I have the vapours already! |
Mari333 |
Feb-21-10 01:34 PM |
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Apparently not, according to the article. Although, I'd like more information on what "treating |
Iris |
Feb-21-10 02:42 PM |
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I don't get the problem with this. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-21-10 12:38 PM |
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How does it actually HELP women to "pull out their chairs" or stand up when they walk into a room? |
PassingFair |
Feb-21-10 01:03 PM |
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Yes, because slamming doors in a women's face is SOOO anti-sexist! |
Odin2005 |
Feb-21-10 01:34 PM |
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False Dichotomy much? |
MattBaggins |
Feb-21-10 02:42 PM |
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Yeah, I love showing how liberated I am |
WolverineDG |
Feb-21-10 03:04 PM |
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Shouldn't a woman be taught to open a door for a man? |
kevinbgoode |
Feb-21-10 04:55 PM |
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I definitely agree that teaching manners is a good thing and more teachers |
StandardEE |
Feb-21-10 01:12 PM |
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After riding the DC Metro too many times and seeing teenaged boys sit obliviously while 90-year old |
Number23 |
Feb-21-10 01:41 PM |
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Perhaps a different light |
MattBaggins |
Feb-21-10 02:49 PM |
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You think it's sexism, I'm a woman and I don't. |
Number23 |
Feb-21-10 05:32 PM |
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No, the girls should be taught to defer to their elders as well. |
Stephanie |
Feb-21-10 10:29 PM |
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Unless it is a 90 year old man. |
kevinbgoode |
Feb-21-10 04:56 PM |
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Basic civility needs to be taught early nowdays (but without the corny, insulting sexism) |
Ratty |
Feb-21-10 05:21 PM |
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Is anybody else here reminded of ... |
surrealAmerican |
Feb-21-10 02:15 PM |
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Absolutely. nt |
Tim01 |
Feb-21-10 10:12 PM |
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Does that include not putting remote-activated cameras in other people's houses? nt |
woo me with science |
Feb-21-10 02:16 PM |
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This is good. I was taught manners growing up. It helps. |
proteus_lives |
Feb-21-10 04:39 PM |
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My brother used to be sent to his room for refusing to put his napkin in his lap. |
Stephanie |
Feb-21-10 10:37 PM |
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For godsakes...so what does this 50's style teacher do with the |
kevinbgoode |
Feb-21-10 04:51 PM |
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This is a short article |
Caretha |
Feb-21-10 05:45 PM |
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jesus would teach sexism? |
RainDog |
Feb-21-10 05:59 PM |
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I believe you missed my point |
Caretha |
Feb-21-10 06:16 PM |
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or maybe not |
RainDog |
Feb-21-10 06:24 PM |
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You may have the last word :) |
Caretha |
Feb-21-10 06:45 PM |
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No use arguing with people that think good manners are un-PC. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-21-10 07:45 PM |
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And if you hold the door for me |
Caretha |
Feb-21-10 08:38 PM |
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Good manners and basic respect are essentially what PC is. |
GreenArrow |
Feb-22-10 10:00 AM |
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Jesus would happily allow the women to wash his feet with their HAIR. |
PassingFair |
Feb-22-10 07:58 AM |
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You are talking about |
Caretha |
Feb-22-10 08:26 AM |
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Hey, you asked WWJD, not me. n/t |
PassingFair |
Feb-22-10 08:28 AM |
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No |
Caretha |
Feb-22-10 07:43 PM |
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You said "I think..." |
PassingFair |
Feb-23-10 09:11 AM |
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Somebody here said, "How does this help women?" I think it helps men more than females. |
Mike 03 |
Feb-21-10 05:55 PM |
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Having a go at explaining the problem |
noamnety |
Feb-21-10 07:13 PM |
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+! |
AsahinaKimi |
Feb-21-10 08:12 PM |
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Bingo! |
Odin2005 |
Feb-21-10 07:46 PM |
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It does help women |
maynard |
Feb-21-10 08:50 PM |
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Kids should be expected, and even required, to treat other people with respect |
varelse |
Feb-21-10 06:57 PM |
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thank you |
RainDog |
Feb-21-10 07:06 PM |
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You can do that without going back to the Middle Ages |
KonaKane |
Feb-21-10 07:57 PM |
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I agree |
varelse |
Feb-22-10 08:28 PM |
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I avoid the argument by just being rude to everybody. |
Forkboy |
Feb-21-10 08:18 PM |
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Men opening a door for women in the south is common practice. |
Shell Beau |
Feb-21-10 08:30 PM |
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I live in Texas and I don't see much of that |
Skittles |
Feb-21-10 10:44 PM |
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i do. but then it is equally gender door holding up. but lots of men hold door for women |
seabeyond |
Feb-22-10 06:20 AM |
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I don't know. It is common practice in the places in MS where I've lived. |
Shell Beau |
Feb-22-10 10:12 AM |
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that would not make up for having to live in MS |
Skittles |
Feb-23-10 04:48 AM |
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I happen to love MS. I guess it isn't for everyone. |
Shell Beau |
Feb-23-10 09:30 AM |
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I don't object when a man holds the door open for me |
Missy Vixen |
Feb-22-10 11:45 AM |
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when a man offers to carry a heavy, awkward suitcase for me, i say... thank you |
seabeyond |
Feb-22-10 11:49 AM |
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I guess I didn't get the memo re: "good manners" now equals "antifeminist" |
Missy Vixen |
Feb-22-10 11:57 AM |
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The way to show respect to women.... |
KonaKane |
Feb-21-10 08:40 PM |
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Amen on your number 5. |
wickerwoman |
Feb-21-10 10:25 PM |
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Oddly enough, they don't get pissy when you punch them in the face |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-22-10 09:38 AM |
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and as long as following those rules, then free to objectify, dehumanize, and see them as things to |
seabeyond |
Feb-22-10 06:49 AM |
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Geez. I guess they can either hold the doors open for us or slam them in our faces |
eridani |
Feb-21-10 10:08 PM |
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Good. nt |
Tim01 |
Feb-21-10 10:15 PM |
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I've noticed a resurgence in gentlemanly behavior in NYC since 9/11. |
Stephanie |
Feb-21-10 10:22 PM |
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I noticed it too! :-) |
dustbunnie |
Feb-22-10 11:42 AM |
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I remember the signs in the buses in Germany 30 years ago |
HillWilliam |
Feb-21-10 10:44 PM |
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the problem with the supportive responses on this thread |
RainDog |
Feb-22-10 12:42 AM |
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He's only addressing one side, if that, of etiquette |
Book Lover |
Feb-22-10 02:30 AM |
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Table manners next. And don't forget the part about |
Vinca |
Feb-22-10 07:06 AM |
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My husband would have driven this teacher into insanity |
ChickMagic |
Feb-22-10 08:52 AM |
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No big whopdeedo at all. It's nice that the kids are learning how it was once done. |
dustbunnie |
Feb-22-10 11:53 AM |
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"Are you holding that door open for me just because I'm a woman?" |
frustrated_lefty |
Feb-23-10 10:06 AM |
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