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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #154
161. Because people shoot people with firearms.
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  -Loaded guns allowed in National parks on Monday Bluebear  Feb-21-10 08:17 AM   #0 
  - Tea Party - One: Sanity - Zero  Jakes Progress   Feb-21-10 08:19 AM   #1 
  - Watch a year from now we will see vast carnage in the national parks?  naaman fletcher   Feb-21-10 01:24 PM   #38 
  - Give it five.  Jakes Progress   Feb-21-10 02:37 PM   #50 
     - Why five?  naaman fletcher   Feb-21-10 02:53 PM   #52 
     - I know you don't see it.  Jakes Progress   Feb-21-10 04:38 PM   #61 
     - It doesn't.  naaman fletcher   Feb-21-10 04:42 PM   #64 
     - To protect you from what? nt  Jakes Progress   Feb-21-10 08:16 PM   #87 
        - two legged drunken jackasses are sometimes a threat  havocmom   Feb-21-10 09:41 PM   #100 
        - especially the ones with guns. nt  Jakes Progress   Feb-21-10 10:13 PM   #107 
           - Me 'n my gun were not the ones attempting that rape I broke up  havocmom   Feb-21-10 10:21 PM   #113 
           - Golly. Bruce Willis right here on DU.  Jakes Progress   Feb-22-10 12:57 AM   #135 
              - You would rather a citizen let a woman get beaten, raped  havocmom   Feb-22-10 10:11 AM   #171 
           - The ones who had illegal guns before the lifting of the ban?  X_Digger   Feb-21-10 10:22 PM   #115 
           - Holster 'em up.  Jakes Progress   Feb-22-10 01:00 AM   #136 
              - And how would you enforce that, eh? Fences and whole vehicle x-rays? *snort* n/t  X_Digger   Feb-22-10 07:47 AM   #149 
           - Those would be the criminals that broke the law before and will continue to do so.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 10:38 PM   #128 
              - See above.  Jakes Progress   Feb-22-10 01:00 AM   #137 
                 - Criminals with guns pose the biggest threat. I'm all for taking their guns away.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-22-10 11:18 AM   #178 
        - Bears and cougars maybe?  flying rabbit   Feb-21-10 09:42 PM   #101 
        - Why do Park Rangers carry firearms?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 09:43 PM   #102 
           - It's their job.  Jakes Progress   Feb-21-10 10:15 PM   #109 
              - Intentionally obtuse, or did you miss the subtext?  X_Digger   Feb-21-10 10:24 PM   #116 
              - There was no subtext or are you just obtuse.  Jakes Progress   Feb-22-10 12:53 AM   #133 
                 - Answer the question, please.  X_Digger   Feb-22-10 07:49 AM   #151 
              - Nice dodge, Mr. Goodman. Why do they need to carry firearms if the parks are so safe?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 10:29 PM   #123 
                 - Well, golly, I guess you need guns in courtrooms.  Jakes Progress   Feb-22-10 12:56 AM   #134 
                    - We do have guns in courtrooms. We also have metal detectors outside of them.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-22-10 11:22 AM   #179 
     - Where do you camp?  XOKCowboy   Feb-21-10 10:19 PM   #111 
        - Hey cowboy.  Jakes Progress   Feb-22-10 01:02 AM   #138 
     - Oh yeah. I expect people to start shooting at whatever moves the day it's implemented.  XOKCowboy   Feb-21-10 10:16 PM   #110 
        - Not all.  Jakes Progress   Feb-21-10 10:24 PM   #117 
           - I lack it too but..  XOKCowboy   Feb-21-10 10:28 PM   #121 
           - Why is carrying in the national parks any more of a right  Jakes Progress   Feb-22-10 01:03 AM   #139 
              - The airport has security and metal detectors to keep criminals with guns out.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-22-10 11:25 AM   #181 
              - So you are suggesting metal detectors at National Parks?  Jakes Progress   Feb-22-10 06:31 PM   #200 
                 - No I'm completely fine with the regulations as they stand.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-22-10 08:21 PM   #208 
              - Sorry to alarm you but you can carry at airport in many states.  Statistical   Feb-22-10 01:54 PM   #191 
           - So you do have the scaredy gene when it comes to them? Statistics be damned. LOL.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 10:34 PM   #125 
              - I'm not the one who feels scared without a gun.  Jakes Progress   Feb-22-10 01:04 AM   #140 
                 - I don't have a CCW permit and I don't carry a gun. So you don't have to be scared of me.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-22-10 11:24 AM   #180 
     - People got shot in National Parks during the ban.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 09:41 PM   #99 
     - So more would be better. Is that your argument? nt  Jakes Progress   Feb-21-10 10:14 PM   #108 
        - Criminals will still carry guns in the parks. They always have. DUH.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 10:27 PM   #119 
           - What a crock. Duh. nt  Jakes Progress   Feb-22-10 12:52 AM   #132 
              - So you believe criminals obeyed the rules before? LOL.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-22-10 11:16 AM   #177 
              - What?  beevul   Feb-22-10 08:25 PM   #209 
     - People get shot in national parks right now.  TheWraith   Feb-22-10 09:42 AM   #159 
  - Nothing to do with the Tea Party.  proteus_lives   Feb-21-10 04:31 PM   #56 
     - Tell me the TP's aren't celebrating  Jakes Progress   Feb-21-10 04:34 PM   #59 
        - You got a link to those posts here?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 09:43 PM   #103 
           - Are you trying to say  Jakes Progress   Feb-21-10 10:21 PM   #112 
              - A link to the posts on this thread with high fives and joyous glee at thwarting the big bad gummint.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 10:32 PM   #124 
              - All that steel lust  Jakes Progress   Feb-22-10 01:07 AM   #141 
                 - Your words not mine. I'll take that as a concession of defeat though. Thanks.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-22-10 11:28 AM   #185 
              - Liberal, gun owner, celebrating. NOT a TP.  Tim01   Feb-21-10 10:41 PM   #129 
                 - I'm a liberal. I own guns. I ain't celebrating  Jakes Progress   Feb-22-10 01:10 AM   #142 
                    - I dare you to actually look at the reality of the issue.  Tim01   Feb-22-10 08:08 AM   #153 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-22-10 06:20 PM   #197 
                          - If you believe that...  beevul   Feb-22-10 08:31 PM   #211 
  - We are free not to go into national parks  katmondoo   Feb-21-10 08:20 AM   #2 
  - Just in case somebody steps in front of you while you're gazing at Old Faithful.....  marmar   Feb-21-10 08:23 AM   #3 
  - +1  mmonk   Feb-22-10 07:00 AM   #146 
  - Is there a reason the 2nd Amendment would not apply on Federal and public property?  ThomWV   Feb-21-10 08:23 AM   #4 
  - Of course not, and the NRA spent millions to make sure you can. Enjoy.  Bluebear   Feb-21-10 08:28 AM   #6 
     - Thanks.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 12:49 PM   #25 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-21-10 04:32 PM   #57 
  - Photograph the petroglyph's while they're still there.  TheCowsCameHome   Feb-21-10 08:27 AM   #5 
  - Wait - weren't they put there 10,000 yrs ago jus' so we could shoot at 'em?  baldguy   Feb-21-10 09:05 AM   #15 
  - That's nice. Shall we start a "dead pool"? (NT)  Tesha   Feb-21-10 08:30 AM   #7 
  - You have an absolute Constitutional right to carry a gun...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-21-10 08:39 AM   #8 
  - Although I am a strong 2nd Amendment supporter I think you got that wrong  ThomWV   Feb-21-10 08:57 AM   #13 
  - "All" other rights? So, I have to allow you to bring a gun into my home? And...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-21-10 12:01 PM   #18 
     - I have no right to come into your home independent of if I'm armed or not  ThomWV   Feb-21-10 12:30 PM   #22 
        - Not the point-- you are implying that if I invite you in I cannot...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-21-10 12:52 PM   #26 
           - You house is private not a public place  harkadog   Feb-21-10 01:15 PM   #32 
           - B-b-b-b-but, self-defense, and therefore the ability to defend oneself...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-21-10 01:29 PM   #42 
              - You are mixing up self defense with the 2nd amendment.  harkadog   Feb-21-10 04:28 PM   #54 
              - I'm not-- the person I was responding to started that nonsense.  TreasonousBastard   Feb-21-10 07:13 PM   #76 
              - You do realize that you have no 1st Amendment rights on DU, no?  pipoman   Feb-21-10 07:59 PM   #83 
              - Well he/she does.  Statistical   Feb-21-10 09:37 PM   #95 
                 - *snort*  X_Digger   Feb-21-10 09:54 PM   #104 
                 - My point is  pipoman   Feb-22-10 03:52 PM   #195 
              - Dupe  pipoman   Feb-21-10 08:00 PM   #84 
           - He never implied any such thing. You are the only was who has argued the 2nd has no limits.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 01:18 PM   #35 
              - I have never argued such a thing, and don't argue that ANY rights have no limits.  TreasonousBastard   Feb-21-10 01:25 PM   #39 
                 - Post # 8  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 01:34 PM   #43 
                    - You really don't get it, do you? Of course not...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-21-10 02:14 PM   #47 
                       - I get it. You have had bad experiences and therefore can't think rationally about an issue.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 06:35 PM   #70 
                       - Just what wasn't rational about what I said?  TreasonousBastard   Feb-21-10 07:12 PM   #75 
                          - Here you go....  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 07:34 PM   #79 
                             - Oh, that. I refuse to use the "sarcasm" thingy in the...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-21-10 07:49 PM   #82 
                                - Sarcasm aside, it still implies that someone actually espouses those views.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 08:09 PM   #86 
                       - Do you ever stop and really wonder why?  beevul   Feb-22-10 08:40 PM   #212 
  - I agree with you completely, except you left out one thing.....  bobbolink   Feb-21-10 01:14 PM   #31 
  - Soon to be seen in your favorite national park --->  onehandle   Feb-21-10 08:47 AM   #9 
  - The constant fail of this pic!  proteus_lives   Feb-21-10 04:34 PM   #58 
  - This Is Great News!  Biker13   Feb-21-10 08:53 AM   #10 
  - Good, glad you're excited!  Bluebear   Feb-21-10 08:55 AM   #11 
     - More like orgasmic. nt  Jakes Progress   Feb-21-10 02:38 PM   #51 
        - That sounds like a personal problem. See a doctor.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 06:41 PM   #73 
           - To whom are you replying?  Jakes Progress   Feb-21-10 09:24 PM   #91 
  - Everyone should relax.  theoldman   Feb-21-10 08:56 AM   #12 
  - Hopefully this ruling includes the right to arm bears  TheCowsCameHome   Feb-21-10 09:02 AM   #14 
  - I guess I don't see what people are concerned about.  Robb   Feb-21-10 09:21 AM   #16 
  - I wonder how many people  Turbineguy   Feb-21-10 09:47 AM   #17 
  - Money trumps the 2nd Amendment?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 12:47 PM   #24 
     - Perhaps not to you.  Turbineguy   Feb-21-10 07:30 PM   #77 
        - The arms industry has it's own lobbying group.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 07:35 PM   #80 
           - I wasn't being facetious  Turbineguy   Feb-21-10 08:32 PM   #89 
              - I didn't think you were being, just pointing it out.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 09:00 PM   #90 
  - I doubt that there's much gun crime in state parks.  chrisa   Feb-21-10 12:02 PM   #19 
  - If the state that the park is in issues concealed-carry permits...  krispos42   Feb-21-10 12:08 PM   #20 
  - I can't disagree  Bluebear   Feb-21-10 12:59 PM   #27 
  - I'm going to call my broker and put all my savings into coffin-maker stock  petronius   Feb-21-10 12:14 PM   #21 
  - Yep. There will be carnage for sure.  XOKCowboy   Feb-21-10 01:07 PM   #29 
     - Just like in all the state parks that allow firearms....oh wait.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 01:20 PM   #36 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-21-10 12:32 PM   #23 
  - They will be.  proteus_lives   Feb-21-10 04:36 PM   #60 
  - Sorry but this doesn't bother me...  XOKCowboy   Feb-21-10 01:04 PM   #28 
  - It's not meant to bother you.  Bluebear   Feb-21-10 01:10 PM   #30 
     - The part about the NRA spending "millions" isn't in your link. Do you have a link to that?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 01:17 PM   #34 
     - Actually it is. In paragraph four.  Bluebear   Feb-21-10 02:32 PM   #49 
        - They didn't spend millions on this issue.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 06:39 PM   #71 
     - The NRA spends millions on everything gun related..  XOKCowboy   Feb-21-10 01:26 PM   #40 
        - Well, no, what did I say lead you to that?  Bluebear   Feb-21-10 02:32 PM   #48 
           - I'm just wondering why you're so worried about this?  XOKCowboy   Feb-21-10 10:12 PM   #106 
  - There's nothing keeping criminals from bringing their guns to the park anyway...  piedmont   Feb-21-10 01:16 PM   #33 
  - We can count on "Responsible Use"  ThoughtCriminal   Feb-21-10 01:24 PM   #37 
  - Damn, that was some really mean hail..  Fumesucker   Feb-21-10 01:35 PM   #44 
  - Yep, I'm sure that was CCW permit holders. LOL  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 01:35 PM   #45 
  - Yogi and Boo-Boo will be bummed out.  stevedeshazer   Feb-21-10 01:28 PM   #41 
  - That pic-a-nic basket could get you shot...  Yurovsky   Feb-21-10 02:59 PM   #53 
  - I don't buy the argument of increased violence. I could imagine there being more illegal hunting. nt  LLStarks   Feb-21-10 01:52 PM   #46 
  - Good.  proteus_lives   Feb-21-10 04:31 PM   #55 
  - Imagine the trauma  DefenseLawyer   Feb-21-10 04:39 PM   #62 
  - What percentage of poaching is done by people with CPLs?  Taitertots   Feb-21-10 04:52 PM   #65 
  - So, Gun Guy, what you are saying is...  DefenseLawyer   Feb-21-10 04:56 PM   #66 
     - No, it is that being afraid of that situation is not based on rational thought  Taitertots   Feb-21-10 05:16 PM   #67 
        - I was being facetious  DefenseLawyer   Feb-21-10 06:40 PM   #72 
  - Oh yeah that'll happen.  XOKCowboy   Feb-21-10 10:22 PM   #114 
     - Don't shoot me.  DefenseLawyer   Feb-22-10 06:36 AM   #143 
  - Well, I guess this guy can come out of his trailer now:  depakid   Feb-21-10 04:41 PM   #63 
  - "Seems to me you're the one who has serious problems if you're arguing via a childish cartoon"  X_Digger   Feb-21-10 08:24 PM   #88 
  - One's grounded in reality- another in fantasy  depakid   Feb-21-10 09:29 PM   #93 
  - The "reality" of 'gun free zones' not actually stopping anyone who intends harm?  X_Digger   Feb-21-10 10:00 PM   #105 
  - Nope- the reality is quite unlike the fantasy  depakid   Feb-21-10 10:35 PM   #126 
     - Criminals don't "seek out" so called "gun free zones" to commit crimes..  X_Digger   Feb-21-10 10:50 PM   #131 
        - LOL- you really are off of the deep end!  depakid   Feb-22-10 06:55 AM   #144 
  - Yeah well you need to look at the reality based side.  XOKCowboy   Feb-21-10 10:25 PM   #118 
  - Ohhh the burn.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 09:36 PM   #94 
  - ROFL  beevul   Feb-22-10 08:48 PM   #213 
  - That's funny.  AlinPA   Feb-22-10 07:18 PM   #207 
  - About time, but it really is a small thing in the big picture  aikoaiko   Feb-21-10 05:32 PM   #68 
  - Good. Kinda stupid that in VA you can carry firearm into state park but..  Statistical   Feb-21-10 06:34 PM   #69 
  - Don't go and be logical. It upsets the fear mongers  havocmom   Feb-21-10 10:27 PM   #120 
     - Logic was never the strong suit of antis.  Statistical   Feb-22-10 07:21 AM   #148 
  - Thank you President Obama for signing this common sense law  Freddie Stubbs   Feb-21-10 06:50 PM   #74 
  - WHAT? Weren't they before?  madeline_con   Feb-21-10 07:34 PM   #78 
  - 'twas the bears who bore arms....  havocmom   Feb-21-10 10:28 PM   #122 
  - What is wrong with the right to bear arms?  astral   Feb-21-10 07:43 PM   #81 
  - "There are carnivorous wild animals in national parks"  depakid   Feb-22-10 06:57 AM   #145 
     - Safe and effective. What's the fun in that.  Jakes Progress   Feb-22-10 06:26 PM   #199 
  - Undoing what Reagan and James Watt did 26 years ago!! n/t  X_Digger   Feb-21-10 08:07 PM   #85 
  - I see this hasn't been buried in the gun forum, I wonder why.....  DainBramaged   Feb-21-10 09:25 PM   #92 
  - Who knows? Any guesses?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 09:39 PM   #97 
  - GOP + NRA and "Wild West America" . . !!  defendandprotect   Feb-21-10 09:38 PM   #96 
  - I always despised selling them. Everyone has cash flow problems though.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 10:36 PM   #127 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-22-10 09:36 AM   #157 
  - This will be such a huge non-event. nt  Tim01   Feb-21-10 09:39 PM   #98 
  - It's not the guns that are the problem, it is the parks.  Tim01   Feb-21-10 10:49 PM   #130 
  - Soon, you won't be able to keep someone from bringing  mmonk   Feb-22-10 07:03 AM   #147 
  - Yup.  Statistical   Feb-22-10 07:49 AM   #150 
  - Why is there a need to carry guns to parks?  mmonk   Feb-22-10 08:06 AM   #152 
     - Why restrict it?  X_Digger   Feb-22-10 08:28 AM   #154 
     - Because people shoot people with firearms.  mmonk   Feb-22-10 09:44 AM   #161 
        - {insert non sequitur here}  X_Digger   Feb-22-10 09:55 AM   #166 
        - We don't allow people to drive 75 miles an hour in a 35 miles per hour  mmonk   Feb-22-10 11:26 AM   #183 
           - And NOBODY wants to do target practice in the parks. Nobody even wants to shoot. nt  Tim01   Feb-22-10 11:33 AM   #186 
           - And I'm sure there are demonstrated, statistically relevant..  X_Digger   Feb-22-10 11:50 AM   #188 
        - Why do you assume everybody is a mass murderer who has to be controled?  Tim01   Feb-22-10 10:37 AM   #173 
           - Why do you make wild and crazy assumptions about me?  mmonk   Feb-22-10 12:13 PM   #189 
              - Oh, you want to talk aobut the Constitution. There are more educated people here than me.  Tim01   Feb-22-10 01:02 PM   #190 
              - The SupremeCcourt just said corporations are people and money  mmonk   Feb-22-10 01:58 PM   #193 
              - Many people would disagree. Fundemental rights have been incorporated agains the states.  Statistical   Feb-22-10 01:57 PM   #192 
              - A proper reading of the constitution?  beevul   Feb-22-10 09:08 PM   #216 
     - Because parks ARE NOT safe zones.  Tim01   Feb-22-10 08:42 AM   #155 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-22-10 09:44 AM   #160 
        - You don't have anything at all to back up what you believe, do you?  Tim01   Feb-22-10 09:57 AM   #167 
     - Thankfully that isn't how rights work.  Statistical   Feb-22-10 08:51 AM   #156 
        - I did not say I didn't like guns.  mmonk   Feb-22-10 09:37 AM   #158 
           - Your factoid is incorrect, mmonk. Please don't make stuff up. Real data is available.  slackmaster   Feb-22-10 09:46 AM   #162 
           - You are only looking at intentional successful homicide.  mmonk   Feb-22-10 10:02 AM   #169 
              - The "over 200,000 per year" figure for non-fatal firearm injuries is bogus  slackmaster   Feb-22-10 10:11 AM   #170 
              - Not even close.. (top ten causes of death in the US)  X_Digger   Feb-22-10 10:14 AM   #172 
                 - I don't mind using the CDC's stats.  mmonk   Feb-22-10 11:07 AM   #174 
                    - I tend to go with the FBI, CDC, BJS..  X_Digger   Feb-22-10 11:15 AM   #176 
                       - Good sources.  mmonk   Feb-22-10 07:08 PM   #205 
           - How many of those deaths are by CCW holders?  Statistical   Feb-22-10 09:54 AM   #165 
              - I don't want to.  mmonk   Feb-22-10 11:12 AM   #175 
                 - That is why we have a Supreme Court.  Statistical   Feb-22-10 11:40 AM   #187 
                    - I simply do not see your belief in the 2nd amendment language.  mmonk   Feb-22-10 02:02 PM   #194 
                       - Where did he state his opinion on the language of the 2nd Amendment?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-22-10 04:00 PM   #196 
                       - Are you serious?  mmonk   Feb-22-10 07:11 PM   #206 
                          - Yes, I missed it what post was it?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-22-10 08:29 PM   #210 
                       - See this post...  beevul   Feb-22-10 09:16 PM   #217 
  - Slippery Slope Fallacy argument is fallacious  slackmaster   Feb-22-10 09:51 AM   #164 
  - It's sad to see so much bigotry and stereotyping on this thread  slackmaster   Feb-22-10 09:47 AM   #163 
  - oy, a gun thread .....bring on the squirrels  spanone   Feb-22-10 09:58 AM   #168 
  - Lol  mmonk   Feb-22-10 07:03 PM   #204 
  - That was 12.5 hours ago now, what's the death toll so far? n/t  cherokeeprogressive   Feb-22-10 11:25 AM   #182 
  - Meh. As a Gun Rights Apathist let me say this will not change a thing  Taverner   Feb-22-10 11:28 AM   #184 
  - ergo, I wont be visiting any of them every again.  Mari333   Feb-22-10 06:21 PM   #198 
  - Boo!  Socal31   Feb-22-10 06:55 PM   #201 
  - you never experienced michigan on new years eve have you  Mari333   Feb-22-10 06:59 PM   #202 
  - Yay, they are to crowded.  Pavulon   Feb-22-10 07:00 PM   #203 
     - Yes please! I hope more people follow this posters lead  XOKCowboy   Feb-22-10 08:48 PM   #214 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-22-10 08:59 PM   #215 
  - Who cares? This is no big deal.  Alias Dictus Tyrant   Feb-22-10 09:36 PM   #218 
 

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