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He makes it very clear that Mr. Stack disliked GWB and was Apolitical. In other words, when he knew him, he wasn't interested in politics. And he DISliked GWB. I don't see anybody trying to get you to believe he was a "great guy." Only that he was seemingly normal and apparently had serious problems going on under the surface. Which is pretty apparent from his manifesto, some of the history of his life, and his last acts. At least for those who take the time and actually know how to read. Frankly it makes a *lot* more sense to recognize that we are all human and that there a potentially a *lot* of Joe Stacks out there right now, ready to blow. Then to name call, dismiss them, and ignore the message they bring about how stressed our society is. But, of course, that would take some effort and thinking. Come to think of it, change the rw to lw or arab, and the GWB to Obama, and you'd start sounding a lot like more like the other side than this one. Oh, and btw, welcome to ignore  |
| -His name was Joe Stack |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 07:17 AM |
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Did you know him personally? |
nc4bo |
Feb-19-10 07:20 AM |
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yes |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 07:24 AM |
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Hate to say this but.... |
nc4bo |
Feb-19-10 07:31 AM |
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I have no doubt that there are more. |
Ruby the Liberal |
Feb-19-10 06:21 PM |
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+1 |
Fire1 |
Feb-19-10 07:34 PM |
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There ARE more Joe Stacks out there. |
branders seine |
Feb-20-10 12:10 PM |
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Did he vote for GWB twice? |
NNN0LHI |
Feb-19-10 07:40 AM |
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Amy Bishop likely voted for Obama - do you want to claim her? |
stray cat |
Feb-19-10 08:26 AM |
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We have had instances of murderers who voted for Dems before |
NNN0LHI |
Feb-19-10 08:36 AM |
#29 |
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And what |
cowman |
Feb-19-10 11:39 PM |
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did you even bother to read the OP? |
northernlights |
Feb-20-10 05:42 AM |
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wtf |
anigbrowl |
Feb-19-10 11:04 AM |
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Bush's popularity plummeted in 2005. |
Eric J in MN |
Feb-19-10 11:16 AM |
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I see the point you are making. But I feel a bit differently about it |
anigbrowl |
Feb-19-10 11:54 AM |
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Yes. Stack voted for Bush twice. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Feb-19-10 03:12 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-19-10 11:42 PM |
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?????????? nt |
Patchuli |
Feb-19-10 09:28 PM |
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I feel we should be done talking about him. |
asdjrocky |
Feb-19-10 07:21 AM |
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then be done. |
uncle ray |
Feb-19-10 11:29 AM |
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It seems people like to pretend only people they dislike or disagree with can be violent. |
stray cat |
Feb-19-10 07:21 AM |
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nope |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 07:26 AM |
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I think anybody that decides to kill someone is mentally ill... |
kentuck |
Feb-19-10 09:31 AM |
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If all killers are crazy... |
CubicleGuy |
Feb-20-10 12:32 AM |
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Yep, mentally ill for certain. |
Jack Sprat |
Feb-19-10 07:18 PM |
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Most people see it as mental illness (period) In this country, we have it WAY too damn good |
NoSheep |
Feb-20-10 01:21 AM |
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+1 |
AllHereTruth |
Feb-20-10 02:29 AM |
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When did he play in your band? The early 70's? 1982? |
Bluebear |
Feb-19-10 07:24 AM |
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2005-2008 |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 07:28 AM |
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"Pilot spent months on diatribe that became his suicide note" |
Bluebear |
Feb-19-10 07:31 AM |
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I wouldn't make too much of that... |
anigbrowl |
Feb-19-10 11:14 AM |
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I spoke with a friend of almost 40 years the night before he killed himself and I had NO clue. |
Maru Kitteh |
Feb-20-10 12:08 AM |
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he also said he was writing |
griffi94 |
Feb-20-10 03:53 AM |
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He wrote a long manifesto and clearly planed out - premeditated using a plane as a bomb |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-19-10 07:24 AM |
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I have to disagree. To me the definition of a terrorist is someone that |
ThomThom |
Feb-19-10 12:43 PM |
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Sorry, a bit lost here. Difference between Stack & McVeigh is what, eaxctly? |
Ruby the Liberal |
Feb-19-10 06:26 PM |
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Mc Veigh was a believer that as in the Turner Diaries that if he |
ThomThom |
Feb-19-10 07:29 PM |
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Stack wanted to wake up the "American Zombies" so they woud "revolt" |
Maru Kitteh |
Feb-20-10 12:37 AM |
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Did he say that on his web site? I tried to read it and gave up. |
ThomThom |
Feb-20-10 12:02 PM |
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Grudge |
Kalun D |
Feb-22-10 05:52 PM |
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It would be helpful if you understood the definition of terrorist |
merh |
Feb-20-10 12:11 AM |
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I think he got to the point... |
CubicleGuy |
Feb-20-10 12:40 AM |
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It appears he had been working the details out in his mind... |
Frustratedlady |
Feb-19-10 07:26 AM |
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I don't know about the mental illness angle |
Tobin S. |
Feb-19-10 07:29 AM |
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"But I think someone could be sane and commit a crime like this." |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-19-10 07:35 AM |
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Is that so? |
CubicleGuy |
Feb-20-10 12:41 AM |
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i know that |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 07:35 AM |
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Do you not think being a long-term rabid anti-tax advocate is... |
Spazito |
Feb-19-10 08:53 AM |
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you're right |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 09:26 AM |
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Where I disagree with you is where you say "he did not have a... |
Spazito |
Feb-19-10 09:50 AM |
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oh, so you knew him personally too? |
northernlights |
Feb-20-10 05:52 AM |
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I'm fighting this battle too, but at the other end |
WolverineDG |
Feb-19-10 03:52 PM |
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I read his manifesto |
Carni |
Feb-19-10 09:30 PM |
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What people aren't getting is that when someone goes into a state like that |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-10 09:39 AM |
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"Do we really know what he was doing in the 80s?" |
Spazito |
Feb-19-10 09:57 AM |
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That it's written down doesn't make it necessarily true. |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-10 10:08 AM |
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One can speculate but the reality is we have his own words... |
Spazito |
Feb-19-10 10:16 AM |
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Right, we have those words. My point is that those words |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-10 10:29 AM |
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You are speculating he was unbalanced in the 80s.... |
Spazito |
Feb-19-10 11:10 AM |
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No, I'm not speculating at all about the 80s. I said, clearly, that the report is |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-10 11:14 AM |
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Yet what he said he was doing in the 80s was borne out in his actions... |
Spazito |
Feb-19-10 11:32 AM |
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HIs wife left the house with her daughter because she was afraid of him. |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-10 12:09 PM |
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Additional note |
martymar64 |
Feb-20-10 06:57 AM |
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But we really don't know that. We know that's how he told it before he |
EFerrari |
Feb-20-10 12:10 PM |
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Yikes! I'm scared for myself after reading that! |
CoffeeCat |
Feb-19-10 11:39 PM |
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Sure. |
EFerrari |
Feb-20-10 12:09 PM |
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No. |
anigbrowl |
Feb-19-10 11:32 AM |
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His reference to being a "non-citizen slave" is very much part of the anti-tax... |
Spazito |
Feb-19-10 11:48 AM |
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Inform yourself. The basis of his complaint is in fact sound: |
anigbrowl |
Feb-19-10 02:49 PM |
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I did inform myself, I read his screed.... |
Spazito |
Feb-19-10 03:35 PM |
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If you read it, then you have a comprehension problem. |
naaman fletcher |
Feb-19-10 09:50 PM |
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Poeple can have mental breakdowns at any time in their lives. |
Jennicut |
Feb-19-10 07:48 AM |
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I've been on a psych ward too. Three times as a patient. |
Tobin S. |
Feb-19-10 08:21 AM |
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I know. I suffer from depression too. And was a patient. I think it makes you more sympathetic |
Jennicut |
Feb-19-10 08:53 AM |
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Joe Stack's history might help reveal a bit more... |
nc4bo |
Feb-19-10 09:05 AM |
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Well, that explains some things to me. He was about to have a full mental breakdown. |
Jennicut |
Feb-19-10 09:10 AM |
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he was born in denver |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 09:32 AM |
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There but for the grace of God. |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-10 09:36 AM |
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Thank you. So SICK of all the Frists around this place. (nt) |
redqueen |
Feb-19-10 09:30 AM |
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Unfortunately, his little exit act is going to embolden the nut cases |
tularetom |
Feb-19-10 07:32 AM |
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There's the point. |
Ruby the Liberal |
Feb-19-10 06:43 PM |
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His Name... |
Rebubula |
Feb-19-10 07:34 AM |
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the first rule of Flight Club |
peekaloo |
Feb-19-10 07:43 AM |
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well, actually, it sort of was... |
gmoney |
Feb-19-10 11:23 AM |
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I was riffing on the motto. |
peekaloo |
Feb-20-10 06:59 AM |
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The teabaggers are getting a lot of coverage for acting out |
BeyondGeography |
Feb-19-10 07:39 AM |
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Thanks for posting this. K&R nt |
Kahuna |
Feb-19-10 08:07 AM |
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Do you know if he was taking any medications? |
godai |
Feb-19-10 08:12 AM |
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HE may not have been overtly political to you, but his last act in life WAS overtly political |
WeDidIt |
Feb-19-10 08:15 AM |
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well |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 08:21 AM |
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"It's not fair" is a key principle of the Tea Party Protesters |
zaj |
Feb-19-10 09:03 AM |
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"it's not fair" |
griffi94 |
Feb-20-10 04:26 AM |
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Profiler: Suicide Pilot Was 'Self-Loathing' Narcissist |
heli |
Feb-19-10 08:16 AM |
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I don't remember anybody profiling the Xmas bomber... |
ChicagoSuz219 |
Feb-19-10 09:33 AM |
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sounds kind of like the alcoholic/drug abuser personality |
freeplessinseattle |
Feb-19-10 09:01 PM |
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Just read a news story about his band and all of the members say the same thing. |
sinkingfeeling |
Feb-19-10 08:18 AM |
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yeah |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 09:38 AM |
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Hi, Billy. |
sinkingfeeling |
Feb-19-10 10:57 AM |
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Dammit all to Hell:: Now we gatta suspect all eeps who act cool, nonthreatening, works , |
opihimoimoi |
Feb-19-10 08:40 AM |
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I'm sorry you lost your friend, griffi94. |
The_Commonist |
Feb-19-10 08:47 AM |
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Sorry, the guy tried to kill his family and then commit mass murder. |
Liberal In Texas |
Feb-19-10 08:57 AM |
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Yes, you friend. |
The_Commonist |
Feb-19-10 09:09 AM |
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Oh boy, amateur armchair psychiatry. |
Liberal In Texas |
Feb-19-10 02:58 PM |
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His family wasn't in the house when he set it on fire. |
girl gone mad |
Feb-19-10 04:49 PM |
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I do not agree that he should be labeled as any of these. It was |
vegiegals |
Feb-19-10 09:28 AM |
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well said |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 09:50 AM |
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Certainly... |
The_Commonist |
Feb-19-10 10:30 AM |
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Wondering if this is the OP's video. |
EmeraldCityGrl |
Feb-19-10 03:45 PM |
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yep |
griffi94 |
Feb-20-10 03:40 AM |
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Great post, Commonist. |
reflection |
Feb-19-10 09:54 AM |
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Well said, The_Commonist. Thank you. |
alcina |
Feb-19-10 11:00 AM |
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so well said. |
nashville_brook |
Feb-19-10 06:21 PM |
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Well said Commonist |
cowman |
Feb-19-10 11:57 PM |
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I've been quoting you all nite re: him being 'apolitical.' n/t |
ChicagoSuz219 |
Feb-19-10 09:22 AM |
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So he was driven crazy by the fact that he had to pay taxes? |
redqueen |
Feb-19-10 09:29 AM |
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Or, it could be that as he was losing his stuff, he explained it to himself |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-10 09:44 AM |
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If you really are interested in knowing what his tax fight was about.. |
girl gone mad |
Feb-19-10 04:59 PM |
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Such empathy |
cowman |
Feb-19-10 11:59 PM |
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I'm so sorry for your loss. No one knows what was going on inside him. |
nolabear |
Feb-19-10 10:25 AM |
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Well said, nolabear. |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-10 10:55 AM |
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Oh, man... |
derby378 |
Feb-19-10 10:34 AM |
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I'm so sorry this happened to you guys, to his family and to the community. |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-10 11:11 AM |
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my sympathy to you, nt |
maryf |
Feb-19-10 02:32 PM |
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Sigh...another 'I'm not going to defend Joe Stack BUT..." thread. NT |
NoFace |
Feb-19-10 02:42 PM |
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I guess you should have really read it |
prolesunited |
Feb-19-10 03:23 PM |
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sigh... |
nashville_brook |
Feb-19-10 06:26 PM |
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It really helps to read. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Feb-19-10 08:56 PM |
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i didn't defend him at all |
griffi94 |
Feb-20-10 04:11 AM |
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when americans have paranoid fantasies, they often revolve around the government |
elehhhhna |
Feb-19-10 03:09 PM |
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Whether Joe Stack.. |
DisgustedInMN |
Feb-19-10 03:53 PM |
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And there you have it |
Canuckistanian |
Feb-19-10 06:37 PM |
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I am sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing. |
Ruby the Liberal |
Feb-19-10 06:50 PM |
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It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society |
LatteLibertine |
Feb-19-10 07:47 PM |
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Due condolences on the loss of a friend, but his writings disagree with you. |
jobycom |
Feb-19-10 10:08 PM |
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I will say thank you for your insight |
AsahinaKimi |
Feb-19-10 10:16 PM |
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His name was Robert Paulsen. nt |
newtothegame |
Feb-20-10 12:27 AM |
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My sympathy to you, griffi94, and to eveyone concerned.... |
Lindsey |
Feb-20-10 01:16 AM |
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I guess that's what happens when people feel betrayed by life? |
DailyGrind51 |
Feb-20-10 06:42 AM |
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Who cares of his last hours? |
anachro1 |
Feb-20-10 06:42 AM |
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Sounds to me like one of those guys who keep making........ |
Bonhomme Richard |
Feb-20-10 07:33 AM |
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