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Fri Feb-19-10 08:56 PM
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| 102. It really helps to read. |
| -His name was Joe Stack |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 07:17 AM |
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Did you know him personally? |
nc4bo |
Feb-19-10 07:20 AM |
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yes |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 07:24 AM |
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Hate to say this but.... |
nc4bo |
Feb-19-10 07:31 AM |
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I have no doubt that there are more. |
Ruby the Liberal |
Feb-19-10 06:21 PM |
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+1 |
Fire1 |
Feb-19-10 07:34 PM |
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There ARE more Joe Stacks out there. |
branders seine |
Feb-20-10 12:10 PM |
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Did he vote for GWB twice? |
NNN0LHI |
Feb-19-10 07:40 AM |
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Amy Bishop likely voted for Obama - do you want to claim her? |
stray cat |
Feb-19-10 08:26 AM |
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We have had instances of murderers who voted for Dems before |
NNN0LHI |
Feb-19-10 08:36 AM |
#29 |
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And what |
cowman |
Feb-19-10 11:39 PM |
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did you even bother to read the OP? |
northernlights |
Feb-20-10 05:42 AM |
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wtf |
anigbrowl |
Feb-19-10 11:04 AM |
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Bush's popularity plummeted in 2005. |
Eric J in MN |
Feb-19-10 11:16 AM |
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I see the point you are making. But I feel a bit differently about it |
anigbrowl |
Feb-19-10 11:54 AM |
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Yes. Stack voted for Bush twice. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Feb-19-10 03:12 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-19-10 11:42 PM |
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?????????? nt |
Patchuli |
Feb-19-10 09:28 PM |
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I feel we should be done talking about him. |
asdjrocky |
Feb-19-10 07:21 AM |
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then be done. |
uncle ray |
Feb-19-10 11:29 AM |
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It seems people like to pretend only people they dislike or disagree with can be violent. |
stray cat |
Feb-19-10 07:21 AM |
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nope |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 07:26 AM |
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I think anybody that decides to kill someone is mentally ill... |
kentuck |
Feb-19-10 09:31 AM |
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If all killers are crazy... |
CubicleGuy |
Feb-20-10 12:32 AM |
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Yep, mentally ill for certain. |
Jack Sprat |
Feb-19-10 07:18 PM |
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Most people see it as mental illness (period) In this country, we have it WAY too damn good |
NoSheep |
Feb-20-10 01:21 AM |
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+1 |
AllHereTruth |
Feb-20-10 02:29 AM |
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When did he play in your band? The early 70's? 1982? |
Bluebear |
Feb-19-10 07:24 AM |
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2005-2008 |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 07:28 AM |
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"Pilot spent months on diatribe that became his suicide note" |
Bluebear |
Feb-19-10 07:31 AM |
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I wouldn't make too much of that... |
anigbrowl |
Feb-19-10 11:14 AM |
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I spoke with a friend of almost 40 years the night before he killed himself and I had NO clue. |
Maru Kitteh |
Feb-20-10 12:08 AM |
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he also said he was writing |
griffi94 |
Feb-20-10 03:53 AM |
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He wrote a long manifesto and clearly planed out - premeditated using a plane as a bomb |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-19-10 07:24 AM |
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I have to disagree. To me the definition of a terrorist is someone that |
ThomThom |
Feb-19-10 12:43 PM |
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Sorry, a bit lost here. Difference between Stack & McVeigh is what, eaxctly? |
Ruby the Liberal |
Feb-19-10 06:26 PM |
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Mc Veigh was a believer that as in the Turner Diaries that if he |
ThomThom |
Feb-19-10 07:29 PM |
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Stack wanted to wake up the "American Zombies" so they woud "revolt" |
Maru Kitteh |
Feb-20-10 12:37 AM |
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Did he say that on his web site? I tried to read it and gave up. |
ThomThom |
Feb-20-10 12:02 PM |
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Grudge |
Kalun D |
Feb-22-10 05:52 PM |
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It would be helpful if you understood the definition of terrorist |
merh |
Feb-20-10 12:11 AM |
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I think he got to the point... |
CubicleGuy |
Feb-20-10 12:40 AM |
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It appears he had been working the details out in his mind... |
Frustratedlady |
Feb-19-10 07:26 AM |
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I don't know about the mental illness angle |
Tobin S. |
Feb-19-10 07:29 AM |
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"But I think someone could be sane and commit a crime like this." |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-19-10 07:35 AM |
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Is that so? |
CubicleGuy |
Feb-20-10 12:41 AM |
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i know that |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 07:35 AM |
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Do you not think being a long-term rabid anti-tax advocate is... |
Spazito |
Feb-19-10 08:53 AM |
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you're right |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 09:26 AM |
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Where I disagree with you is where you say "he did not have a... |
Spazito |
Feb-19-10 09:50 AM |
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oh, so you knew him personally too? |
northernlights |
Feb-20-10 05:52 AM |
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I'm fighting this battle too, but at the other end |
WolverineDG |
Feb-19-10 03:52 PM |
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I read his manifesto |
Carni |
Feb-19-10 09:30 PM |
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What people aren't getting is that when someone goes into a state like that |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-10 09:39 AM |
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"Do we really know what he was doing in the 80s?" |
Spazito |
Feb-19-10 09:57 AM |
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That it's written down doesn't make it necessarily true. |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-10 10:08 AM |
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One can speculate but the reality is we have his own words... |
Spazito |
Feb-19-10 10:16 AM |
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Right, we have those words. My point is that those words |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-10 10:29 AM |
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You are speculating he was unbalanced in the 80s.... |
Spazito |
Feb-19-10 11:10 AM |
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No, I'm not speculating at all about the 80s. I said, clearly, that the report is |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-10 11:14 AM |
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Yet what he said he was doing in the 80s was borne out in his actions... |
Spazito |
Feb-19-10 11:32 AM |
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HIs wife left the house with her daughter because she was afraid of him. |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-10 12:09 PM |
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Additional note |
martymar64 |
Feb-20-10 06:57 AM |
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But we really don't know that. We know that's how he told it before he |
EFerrari |
Feb-20-10 12:10 PM |
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Yikes! I'm scared for myself after reading that! |
CoffeeCat |
Feb-19-10 11:39 PM |
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Sure. |
EFerrari |
Feb-20-10 12:09 PM |
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No. |
anigbrowl |
Feb-19-10 11:32 AM |
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His reference to being a "non-citizen slave" is very much part of the anti-tax... |
Spazito |
Feb-19-10 11:48 AM |
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Inform yourself. The basis of his complaint is in fact sound: |
anigbrowl |
Feb-19-10 02:49 PM |
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I did inform myself, I read his screed.... |
Spazito |
Feb-19-10 03:35 PM |
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If you read it, then you have a comprehension problem. |
naaman fletcher |
Feb-19-10 09:50 PM |
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Poeple can have mental breakdowns at any time in their lives. |
Jennicut |
Feb-19-10 07:48 AM |
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I've been on a psych ward too. Three times as a patient. |
Tobin S. |
Feb-19-10 08:21 AM |
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I know. I suffer from depression too. And was a patient. I think it makes you more sympathetic |
Jennicut |
Feb-19-10 08:53 AM |
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Joe Stack's history might help reveal a bit more... |
nc4bo |
Feb-19-10 09:05 AM |
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Well, that explains some things to me. He was about to have a full mental breakdown. |
Jennicut |
Feb-19-10 09:10 AM |
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he was born in denver |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 09:32 AM |
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There but for the grace of God. |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-10 09:36 AM |
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Thank you. So SICK of all the Frists around this place. (nt) |
redqueen |
Feb-19-10 09:30 AM |
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Unfortunately, his little exit act is going to embolden the nut cases |
tularetom |
Feb-19-10 07:32 AM |
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There's the point. |
Ruby the Liberal |
Feb-19-10 06:43 PM |
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His Name... |
Rebubula |
Feb-19-10 07:34 AM |
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the first rule of Flight Club |
peekaloo |
Feb-19-10 07:43 AM |
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well, actually, it sort of was... |
gmoney |
Feb-19-10 11:23 AM |
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I was riffing on the motto. |
peekaloo |
Feb-20-10 06:59 AM |
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The teabaggers are getting a lot of coverage for acting out |
BeyondGeography |
Feb-19-10 07:39 AM |
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Thanks for posting this. K&R nt |
Kahuna |
Feb-19-10 08:07 AM |
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Do you know if he was taking any medications? |
godai |
Feb-19-10 08:12 AM |
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HE may not have been overtly political to you, but his last act in life WAS overtly political |
WeDidIt |
Feb-19-10 08:15 AM |
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well |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 08:21 AM |
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"It's not fair" is a key principle of the Tea Party Protesters |
zaj |
Feb-19-10 09:03 AM |
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"it's not fair" |
griffi94 |
Feb-20-10 04:26 AM |
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Profiler: Suicide Pilot Was 'Self-Loathing' Narcissist |
heli |
Feb-19-10 08:16 AM |
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I don't remember anybody profiling the Xmas bomber... |
ChicagoSuz219 |
Feb-19-10 09:33 AM |
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sounds kind of like the alcoholic/drug abuser personality |
freeplessinseattle |
Feb-19-10 09:01 PM |
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Just read a news story about his band and all of the members say the same thing. |
sinkingfeeling |
Feb-19-10 08:18 AM |
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yeah |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 09:38 AM |
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Hi, Billy. |
sinkingfeeling |
Feb-19-10 10:57 AM |
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Dammit all to Hell:: Now we gatta suspect all eeps who act cool, nonthreatening, works , |
opihimoimoi |
Feb-19-10 08:40 AM |
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I'm sorry you lost your friend, griffi94. |
The_Commonist |
Feb-19-10 08:47 AM |
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Sorry, the guy tried to kill his family and then commit mass murder. |
Liberal In Texas |
Feb-19-10 08:57 AM |
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Yes, you friend. |
The_Commonist |
Feb-19-10 09:09 AM |
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Oh boy, amateur armchair psychiatry. |
Liberal In Texas |
Feb-19-10 02:58 PM |
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His family wasn't in the house when he set it on fire. |
girl gone mad |
Feb-19-10 04:49 PM |
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I do not agree that he should be labeled as any of these. It was |
vegiegals |
Feb-19-10 09:28 AM |
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well said |
griffi94 |
Feb-19-10 09:50 AM |
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Certainly... |
The_Commonist |
Feb-19-10 10:30 AM |
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Wondering if this is the OP's video. |
EmeraldCityGrl |
Feb-19-10 03:45 PM |
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yep |
griffi94 |
Feb-20-10 03:40 AM |
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Great post, Commonist. |
reflection |
Feb-19-10 09:54 AM |
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Well said, The_Commonist. Thank you. |
alcina |
Feb-19-10 11:00 AM |
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so well said. |
nashville_brook |
Feb-19-10 06:21 PM |
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Well said Commonist |
cowman |
Feb-19-10 11:57 PM |
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I've been quoting you all nite re: him being 'apolitical.' n/t |
ChicagoSuz219 |
Feb-19-10 09:22 AM |
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So he was driven crazy by the fact that he had to pay taxes? |
redqueen |
Feb-19-10 09:29 AM |
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Or, it could be that as he was losing his stuff, he explained it to himself |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-10 09:44 AM |
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If you really are interested in knowing what his tax fight was about.. |
girl gone mad |
Feb-19-10 04:59 PM |
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Such empathy |
cowman |
Feb-19-10 11:59 PM |
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I'm so sorry for your loss. No one knows what was going on inside him. |
nolabear |
Feb-19-10 10:25 AM |
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Well said, nolabear. |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-10 10:55 AM |
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Oh, man... |
derby378 |
Feb-19-10 10:34 AM |
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I'm so sorry this happened to you guys, to his family and to the community. |
EFerrari |
Feb-19-10 11:11 AM |
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my sympathy to you, nt |
maryf |
Feb-19-10 02:32 PM |
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Sigh...another 'I'm not going to defend Joe Stack BUT..." thread. NT |
NoFace |
Feb-19-10 02:42 PM |
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I guess you should have really read it |
prolesunited |
Feb-19-10 03:23 PM |
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sigh... |
nashville_brook |
Feb-19-10 06:26 PM |
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It really helps to read. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Feb-19-10 08:56 PM |
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i didn't defend him at all |
griffi94 |
Feb-20-10 04:11 AM |
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when americans have paranoid fantasies, they often revolve around the government |
elehhhhna |
Feb-19-10 03:09 PM |
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Whether Joe Stack.. |
DisgustedInMN |
Feb-19-10 03:53 PM |
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And there you have it |
Canuckistanian |
Feb-19-10 06:37 PM |
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I am sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing. |
Ruby the Liberal |
Feb-19-10 06:50 PM |
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It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society |
LatteLibertine |
Feb-19-10 07:47 PM |
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Due condolences on the loss of a friend, but his writings disagree with you. |
jobycom |
Feb-19-10 10:08 PM |
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I will say thank you for your insight |
AsahinaKimi |
Feb-19-10 10:16 PM |
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His name was Robert Paulsen. nt |
newtothegame |
Feb-20-10 12:27 AM |
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My sympathy to you, griffi94, and to eveyone concerned.... |
Lindsey |
Feb-20-10 01:16 AM |
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I guess that's what happens when people feel betrayed by life? |
DailyGrind51 |
Feb-20-10 06:42 AM |
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Who cares of his last hours? |
anachro1 |
Feb-20-10 06:42 AM |
#131 |
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Sounds to me like one of those guys who keep making........ |
Bonhomme Richard |
Feb-20-10 07:33 AM |
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Feb-22-10 05:59 PM |
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