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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:26 AM
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40. you're right
he left a message...but had the woman in alabam screamed god save the queen when she went on her rampage it still wouldn't have been a political ideology, just the insane ravings a dangerous and desperate woman...same thing here. i'm not arguing that he left a long screed of insane rantings, but the overall theme was "it's not fair"
jmo but i think whatever dragons joe was secretly fighting just finally wore down to the breaking point.

i'm not pushing a "poor joe" argument, but for the last 20 hoursi've talked to a lot of people who want to use his actions to fit their agendas, and imo joe didn't have a real political agenda...he was just way past desperate.
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  -His name was Joe Stack griffi94  Feb-19-10 07:17 AM   #0 
  - Did you know him personally?  nc4bo   Feb-19-10 07:20 AM   #1 
  - yes  griffi94   Feb-19-10 07:24 AM   #6 
     - Hate to say this but....  nc4bo   Feb-19-10 07:31 AM   #11 
     - I have no doubt that there are more.  Ruby the Liberal   Feb-19-10 06:21 PM   #91 
     - +1  Fire1   Feb-19-10 07:34 PM   #100 
     - There ARE more Joe Stacks out there.  branders seine   Feb-20-10 12:10 PM   #138 
     - Did he vote for GWB twice?  NNN0LHI   Feb-19-10 07:40 AM   #18 
        - Amy Bishop likely voted for Obama - do you want to claim her?  stray cat   Feb-19-10 08:26 AM   #28 
        - We have had instances of murderers who voted for Dems before  NNN0LHI   Feb-19-10 08:36 AM   #29 
           - And what  cowman   Feb-19-10 11:39 PM   #110 
           - did you even bother to read the OP?  northernlights   Feb-20-10 05:42 AM   #128 
        - wtf  anigbrowl   Feb-19-10 11:04 AM   #64 
        - Bush's popularity plummeted in 2005.  Eric J in MN   Feb-19-10 11:16 AM   #69 
           - I see the point you are making. But I feel a bit differently about it  anigbrowl   Feb-19-10 11:54 AM   #75 
        - Yes. Stack voted for Bush twice.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Feb-19-10 03:12 PM   #83 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-19-10 11:42 PM   #111 
        - ?????????? nt  Patchuli   Feb-19-10 09:28 PM   #104 
  - I feel we should be done talking about him.  asdjrocky   Feb-19-10 07:21 AM   #2 
  - then be done.  uncle ray   Feb-19-10 11:29 AM   #71 
  - It seems people like to pretend only people they dislike or disagree with can be violent.  stray cat   Feb-19-10 07:21 AM   #3 
  - nope  griffi94   Feb-19-10 07:26 AM   #8 
  - I think anybody that decides to kill someone is mentally ill...  kentuck   Feb-19-10 09:31 AM   #44 
  - If all killers are crazy...  CubicleGuy   Feb-20-10 12:32 AM   #117 
  - Yep, mentally ill for certain.  Jack Sprat   Feb-19-10 07:18 PM   #98 
  - Most people see it as mental illness (period) In this country, we have it WAY too damn good  NoSheep   Feb-20-10 01:21 AM   #122 
  - +1  AllHereTruth   Feb-20-10 02:29 AM   #123 
  - When did he play in your band? The early 70's? 1982?  Bluebear   Feb-19-10 07:24 AM   #4 
  - 2005-2008  griffi94   Feb-19-10 07:28 AM   #9 
     - "Pilot spent months on diatribe that became his suicide note"  Bluebear   Feb-19-10 07:31 AM   #12 
        - I wouldn't make too much of that...  anigbrowl   Feb-19-10 11:14 AM   #68 
        - I spoke with a friend of almost 40 years the night before he killed himself and I had NO clue.  Maru Kitteh   Feb-20-10 12:08 AM   #114 
        - he also said he was writing  griffi94   Feb-20-10 03:53 AM   #125 
  - He wrote a long manifesto and clearly planed out - premeditated using a plane as a bomb  ShortnFiery   Feb-19-10 07:24 AM   #5 
  - I have to disagree. To me the definition of a terrorist is someone that  ThomThom   Feb-19-10 12:43 PM   #77 
  - Sorry, a bit lost here. Difference between Stack & McVeigh is what, eaxctly?  Ruby the Liberal   Feb-19-10 06:26 PM   #94 
  - Mc Veigh was a believer that as in the Turner Diaries that if he  ThomThom   Feb-19-10 07:29 PM   #99 
     - Stack wanted to wake up the "American Zombies" so they woud "revolt"  Maru Kitteh   Feb-20-10 12:37 AM   #118 
     - Did he say that on his web site? I tried to read it and gave up.  ThomThom   Feb-20-10 12:02 PM   #135 
     - Grudge  Kalun D   Feb-22-10 05:52 PM   #139 
  - It would be helpful if you understood the definition of terrorist  merh   Feb-20-10 12:11 AM   #115 
  - I think he got to the point...  CubicleGuy   Feb-20-10 12:40 AM   #119 
  - It appears he had been working the details out in his mind...  Frustratedlady   Feb-19-10 07:26 AM   #7 
  - I don't know about the mental illness angle  Tobin S.   Feb-19-10 07:29 AM   #10 
  - "But I think someone could be sane and commit a crime like this."  ShortnFiery   Feb-19-10 07:35 AM   #15 
  - Is that so?  CubicleGuy   Feb-20-10 12:41 AM   #120 
  - i know that  griffi94   Feb-19-10 07:35 AM   #16 
  - Do you not think being a long-term rabid anti-tax advocate is...  Spazito   Feb-19-10 08:53 AM   #33 
     - you're right  griffi94   Feb-19-10 09:26 AM   #40 
     - Where I disagree with you is where you say "he did not have a...  Spazito   Feb-19-10 09:50 AM   #51 
     - oh, so you knew him personally too?  northernlights   Feb-20-10 05:52 AM   #129 
     - I'm fighting this battle too, but at the other end  WolverineDG   Feb-19-10 03:52 PM   #87 
     - I read his manifesto  Carni   Feb-19-10 09:30 PM   #105 
     - What people aren't getting is that when someone goes into a state like that  EFerrari   Feb-19-10 09:39 AM   #49 
     - "Do we really know what he was doing in the 80s?"  Spazito   Feb-19-10 09:57 AM   #54 
        - That it's written down doesn't make it necessarily true.  EFerrari   Feb-19-10 10:08 AM   #55 
           - One can speculate but the reality is we have his own words...  Spazito   Feb-19-10 10:16 AM   #56 
              - Right, we have those words. My point is that those words  EFerrari   Feb-19-10 10:29 AM   #58 
                 - You are speculating he was unbalanced in the 80s....  Spazito   Feb-19-10 11:10 AM   #65 
                 - No, I'm not speculating at all about the 80s. I said, clearly, that the report is  EFerrari   Feb-19-10 11:14 AM   #67 
                 - Yet what he said he was doing in the 80s was borne out in his actions...  Spazito   Feb-19-10 11:32 AM   #73 
                    - HIs wife left the house with her daughter because she was afraid of him.  EFerrari   Feb-19-10 12:09 PM   #76 
                 - Additional note  martymar64   Feb-20-10 06:57 AM   #132 
                    - But we really don't know that. We know that's how he told it before he  EFerrari   Feb-20-10 12:10 PM   #137 
                 - Yikes! I'm scared for myself after reading that!  CoffeeCat   Feb-19-10 11:39 PM   #109 
                    - Sure.  EFerrari   Feb-20-10 12:09 PM   #136 
     - No.  anigbrowl   Feb-19-10 11:32 AM   #72 
        - His reference to being a "non-citizen slave" is very much part of the anti-tax...  Spazito   Feb-19-10 11:48 AM   #74 
           - Inform yourself. The basis of his complaint is in fact sound:  anigbrowl   Feb-19-10 02:49 PM   #80 
              - I did inform myself, I read his screed....  Spazito   Feb-19-10 03:35 PM   #85 
                 - If you read it, then you have a comprehension problem.  naaman fletcher   Feb-19-10 09:50 PM   #106 
  - Poeple can have mental breakdowns at any time in their lives.  Jennicut   Feb-19-10 07:48 AM   #20 
  - I've been on a psych ward too. Three times as a patient.  Tobin S.   Feb-19-10 08:21 AM   #26 
     - I know. I suffer from depression too. And was a patient. I think it makes you more sympathetic  Jennicut   Feb-19-10 08:53 AM   #32 
        - Joe Stack's history might help reveal a bit more...  nc4bo   Feb-19-10 09:05 AM   #36 
           - Well, that explains some things to me. He was about to have a full mental breakdown.  Jennicut   Feb-19-10 09:10 AM   #38 
           - he was born in denver  griffi94   Feb-19-10 09:32 AM   #45 
           - There but for the grace of God.  EFerrari   Feb-19-10 09:36 AM   #47 
  - Thank you. So SICK of all the Frists around this place. (nt)  redqueen   Feb-19-10 09:30 AM   #43 
  - Unfortunately, his little exit act is going to embolden the nut cases  tularetom   Feb-19-10 07:32 AM   #13 
  - There's the point.  Ruby the Liberal   Feb-19-10 06:43 PM   #96 
  - His Name...  Rebubula   Feb-19-10 07:34 AM   #14 
  - the first rule of Flight Club  peekaloo   Feb-19-10 07:43 AM   #19 
     - well, actually, it sort of was...  gmoney   Feb-19-10 11:23 AM   #70 
        - I was riffing on the motto.  peekaloo   Feb-20-10 06:59 AM   #133 
  - The teabaggers are getting a lot of coverage for acting out  BeyondGeography   Feb-19-10 07:39 AM   #17 
  - Thanks for posting this. K&R nt  Kahuna   Feb-19-10 08:07 AM   #21 
  - Do you know if he was taking any medications?  godai   Feb-19-10 08:12 AM   #22 
  - HE may not have been overtly political to you, but his last act in life WAS overtly political  WeDidIt   Feb-19-10 08:15 AM   #23 
  - well  griffi94   Feb-19-10 08:21 AM   #27 
     - "It's not fair" is a key principle of the Tea Party Protesters  zaj   Feb-19-10 09:03 AM   #35 
        - "it's not fair"  griffi94   Feb-20-10 04:26 AM   #127 
  - Profiler: Suicide Pilot Was 'Self-Loathing' Narcissist  heli   Feb-19-10 08:16 AM   #24 
  - I don't remember anybody profiling the Xmas bomber...  ChicagoSuz219   Feb-19-10 09:33 AM   #46 
  - sounds kind of like the alcoholic/drug abuser personality  freeplessinseattle   Feb-19-10 09:01 PM   #103 
  - Just read a news story about his band and all of the members say the same thing.  sinkingfeeling   Feb-19-10 08:18 AM   #25 
  - yeah  griffi94   Feb-19-10 09:38 AM   #48 
     - Hi, Billy.  sinkingfeeling   Feb-19-10 10:57 AM   #62 
  - Dammit all to Hell:: Now we gatta suspect all eeps who act cool, nonthreatening, works ,  opihimoimoi   Feb-19-10 08:40 AM   #30 
  - I'm sorry you lost your friend, griffi94.  The_Commonist   Feb-19-10 08:47 AM   #31 
  - Sorry, the guy tried to kill his family and then commit mass murder.  Liberal In Texas   Feb-19-10 08:57 AM   #34 
  - Yes, you friend.  The_Commonist   Feb-19-10 09:09 AM   #37 
  - Oh boy, amateur armchair psychiatry.  Liberal In Texas   Feb-19-10 02:58 PM   #81 
  - His family wasn't in the house when he set it on fire.  girl gone mad   Feb-19-10 04:49 PM   #89 
  - I do not agree that he should be labeled as any of these. It was  vegiegals   Feb-19-10 09:28 AM   #41 
  - well said  griffi94   Feb-19-10 09:50 AM   #52 
  - Certainly...  The_Commonist   Feb-19-10 10:30 AM   #59 
     - Wondering if this is the OP's video.  EmeraldCityGrl   Feb-19-10 03:45 PM   #86 
        - yep  griffi94   Feb-20-10 03:40 AM   #124 
  - Great post, Commonist.  reflection   Feb-19-10 09:54 AM   #53 
  - Well said, The_Commonist. Thank you.  alcina   Feb-19-10 11:00 AM   #63 
  - so well said.  nashville_brook   Feb-19-10 06:21 PM   #92 
  - Well said Commonist  cowman   Feb-19-10 11:57 PM   #112 
  - I've been quoting you all nite re: him being 'apolitical.' n/t  ChicagoSuz219   Feb-19-10 09:22 AM   #39 
  - So he was driven crazy by the fact that he had to pay taxes?  redqueen   Feb-19-10 09:29 AM   #42 
  - Or, it could be that as he was losing his stuff, he explained it to himself  EFerrari   Feb-19-10 09:44 AM   #50 
  - If you really are interested in knowing what his tax fight was about..  girl gone mad   Feb-19-10 04:59 PM   #90 
  - Such empathy  cowman   Feb-19-10 11:59 PM   #113 
  - I'm so sorry for your loss. No one knows what was going on inside him.  nolabear   Feb-19-10 10:25 AM   #57 
  - Well said, nolabear.  EFerrari   Feb-19-10 10:55 AM   #61 
  - Oh, man...  derby378   Feb-19-10 10:34 AM   #60 
  - I'm so sorry this happened to you guys, to his family and to the community.  EFerrari   Feb-19-10 11:11 AM   #66 
  - my sympathy to you, nt  maryf   Feb-19-10 02:32 PM   #78 
  - Sigh...another 'I'm not going to defend Joe Stack BUT..." thread. NT  NoFace   Feb-19-10 02:42 PM   #79 
  - I guess you should have really read it  prolesunited   Feb-19-10 03:23 PM   #84 
  - sigh...  nashville_brook   Feb-19-10 06:26 PM   #93 
  - It really helps to read.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-19-10 08:56 PM   #102 
  - i didn't defend him at all  griffi94   Feb-20-10 04:11 AM   #126 
  - when americans have paranoid fantasies, they often revolve around the government  elehhhhna   Feb-19-10 03:09 PM   #82 
  - Whether Joe Stack..  DisgustedInMN   Feb-19-10 03:53 PM   #88 
  - And there you have it  Canuckistanian   Feb-19-10 06:37 PM   #95 
  - I am sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing.  Ruby the Liberal   Feb-19-10 06:50 PM   #97 
  - It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society  LatteLibertine   Feb-19-10 07:47 PM   #101 
  - Due condolences on the loss of a friend, but his writings disagree with you.  jobycom   Feb-19-10 10:08 PM   #107 
  - I will say thank you for your insight  AsahinaKimi   Feb-19-10 10:16 PM   #108 
  - His name was Robert Paulsen. nt  newtothegame   Feb-20-10 12:27 AM   #116 
  - My sympathy to you, griffi94, and to eveyone concerned....  Lindsey   Feb-20-10 01:16 AM   #121 
  - I guess that's what happens when people feel betrayed by life?  DailyGrind51   Feb-20-10 06:42 AM   #130 
  - Who cares of his last hours?  anachro1   Feb-20-10 06:42 AM   #131 
  - Sounds to me like one of those guys who keep making........  Bonhomme Richard   Feb-20-10 07:33 AM   #134 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-22-10 05:59 PM   #140 

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