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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:56 PM
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51. Except Nate never said that. The OP is a lie. Did you even read Nate's article?
The title of Nate's article poses the question, "Can You Trust Those FireDogLake Polls?" Then he proceeds to critique the methods of the pollster SurveyUSA (the firm FireDogLake hires to conduct polls) for which he claims to respect and regard as "a strong and transparent polling firm."

He concludes that, "The last thing that needs to be said is that whatever numerical differences there are, they're on the shoulders of SurveyUSA and not FDL. In an e-mail exchange with me, SurveyUSA's Jay Leve made it quite clear that his firm was responsible for all methodological decisions about its polls."

So let's recap:
1) SurveyUSA is hired by FDL
2) Nate not only respects SurveyUSA but finds them a strong and transparent polling firm
3) Nate analyzes their methodology in one poll
4) He offers a measured critique of that methodology and concludes that he has some issues but
5) NOT ONCE DOES HE CONCLUDE OR EVEN INTIMATE THAT FDL POLLS CANNOT BE TRUSTED.
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  -Senate bill supporter Nate Silver: Do not trust Firedoglake polls ohiodemocratic  Feb-18-10 05:08 PM   #0 
  - I trust Nate Silver a hell of a lot more then Hamsher. Easy choice.  Pirate Smile   Feb-18-10 05:11 PM   #1 
  - Yup... nt  CBR   Feb-18-10 05:12 PM   #3 
  - +1. Norquist is behind FDL now.  berni_mccoy   Feb-18-10 05:13 PM   #4 
  - That's false  ohiodemocratic   Feb-18-10 05:14 PM   #7 
     - Sounds reasonable.  JackRiddler   Feb-18-10 06:18 PM   #24 
  - My condolences, regarding the death of LieberCare  ohiodemocratic   Feb-18-10 05:13 PM   #5 
  - Absolutely.  SemiCharmedQuark   Feb-18-10 05:14 PM   #8 
  - +77  HughMoran   Feb-18-10 05:35 PM   #16 
  - +1  grantcart   Feb-18-10 07:59 PM   #55 
  - Nate is a whole hell of a lot more trustworthy than Jane "I Heart Grover Norquist" Hamsher.  Arkana   Feb-18-10 05:12 PM   #2 
  - Jane "I Heart Grover Norquist" Hamsher?  redqueen   Feb-18-10 05:15 PM   #10 
  - Silver co-signed a petition with Grover Norquist. Nate Silver hearts Norquist!  ohiodemocratic   Feb-18-10 05:18 PM   #13 
     - That was a letter signed by a multitude of people, not just two.  SemiCharmedQuark   Feb-18-10 05:23 PM   #14 
        - Don't get in the way of the pitchforks.  Orsino   Feb-18-10 06:45 PM   #27 
        - So you mean Silver hearts a lot of people INCLUDING Norquist?  ohiodemocratic   Feb-18-10 07:18 PM   #33 
           - Did Nate Silver COAUTHOR a letter with Norquist? No.  SemiCharmedQuark   Feb-18-10 07:28 PM   #36 
              - Feingold hearts McCain! They co-authored a bill once!  ohiodemocratic   Feb-18-10 07:37 PM   #38 
                 - I know that they both share a healthy hatred of the President  Arkana   Feb-18-10 07:40 PM   #40 
                 - Um...McCain-Feingold was written before Obama was President  ohiodemocratic   Feb-18-10 07:43 PM   #42 
                    - Not referring to McCain and Feingold.  Arkana   Feb-18-10 07:44 PM   #43 
                       - But you replied to a post in which I refuted the idea that co-authoring something is always bad  ohiodemocratic   Feb-18-10 07:49 PM   #46 
                          - Read your own damn post.  Arkana   Feb-18-10 07:51 PM   #47 
                             - Get the content of the letter right: The purpose was to investigate Emanuel  ohiodemocratic   Feb-18-10 07:55 PM   #50 
                                - I don't give a damn about the rest of Jane Hamsher's views  Arkana   Feb-18-10 08:09 PM   #60 
                 - McCain is less odious than Norquist  SemiCharmedQuark   Feb-18-10 08:57 PM   #66 
  - +78  HughMoran   Feb-18-10 05:35 PM   #17 
  - Nate never said what the OP claimed. The title of this OP is a lie.  Luminous Animal   Feb-18-10 07:13 PM   #32 
  - Nate Silver called the 2008 election dead on  WeDidIt   Feb-18-10 05:14 PM   #6 
  - Rasmussen is pretty accurate too n/t  ohiodemocratic   Feb-18-10 05:16 PM   #11 
  - i'm asuming that's sarcasm...  depakid   Feb-18-10 05:53 PM   #19 
  - Rasmussen called the popular vote percentages.  Arkana   Feb-18-10 06:15 PM   #22 
     - Rasmussen was 24 for 24 in 2004 (and Silver is not a pollster. He only picks names)  ohiodemocratic   Feb-18-10 07:24 PM   #34 
        - ...  Arkana   Feb-18-10 07:41 PM   #41 
           - So what percentage of the time do you think Rasmussen has been right?  ohiodemocratic   Feb-18-10 07:47 PM   #44 
           - I present to you this:  Arkana   Feb-18-10 07:53 PM   #48 
              - lol, I might be suspect of ranking system that names itself as the winner  tritsofme   Feb-18-10 08:09 PM   #59 
           - Just curious: Any links to Rasmussen's opinion that Hoffman was "a lock"?  ohiodemocratic   Feb-18-10 07:54 PM   #49 
  - +79  HughMoran   Feb-18-10 05:36 PM   #18 
  - How much Diebold stock does he own?  Sebastian Doyle   Feb-18-10 06:48 PM   #28 
  - Interesting- I'd like to see a lot more of this from Nate  depakid   Feb-18-10 05:15 PM   #9 
  - Yep, good advice by Silver...  Spazito   Feb-18-10 05:18 PM   #12 
  - Except Nate never said that. The OP is a lie. Did you even read Nate's article?  Luminous Animal   Feb-18-10 07:56 PM   #51 
     - FDL has NO credibility, imo...  Spazito   Feb-19-10 09:04 AM   #67 
  - Silver's correct ...  RoyGBiv   Feb-18-10 05:32 PM   #15 
  - What is he correct about?  Luminous Animal   Feb-18-10 07:56 PM   #52 
     - Lots of things ...  RoyGBiv   Feb-18-10 08:05 PM   #57 
        - Except Nate never claimed that FDL's (Actually SurveyUSA) polls are untrustworthy.  Luminous Animal   Feb-18-10 08:07 PM   #58 
           - That would seem to be incorrect ...  RoyGBiv   Feb-18-10 08:26 PM   #62 
              - Will honestly claim that you did not understand my point?  Luminous Animal   Feb-18-10 08:36 PM   #63 
                 - Gratuitous?  RoyGBiv   Feb-18-10 08:49 PM   #64 
  - I'll take Silver when he speaks of polls  FrenchieCat   Feb-18-10 06:01 PM   #20 
  - I just hope he sticks to polls.  Arkana   Feb-18-10 06:16 PM   #23 
  - PAYCHECKS and power ...  Cosmocat   Feb-18-10 06:26 PM   #26 
  - Well that is good  Luminous Animal   Feb-18-10 07:10 PM   #31 
  - I don't give a damn what either one of them says, nor am I in favor of either bill  MadHound   Feb-18-10 06:04 PM   #21 
  - Yeah, yeah.......  FrenchieCat   Feb-18-10 06:22 PM   #25 
     - Ever wonder why your OPs about your personal life get unrecced to oblivion?  Lilith Velkor   Feb-18-10 06:59 PM   #30 
        - Yeah...Like Madhound has ever anything but digs to dole out!.  FrenchieCat   Feb-18-10 07:26 PM   #35 
           - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-18-10 08:54 PM   #65 
  - Nate Silver does not say "Do not trust Firedoglake polls"  Luminous Animal   Feb-18-10 06:56 PM   #29 
  - +1.. the OP is deceiving readers here  t0dd   Feb-18-10 07:47 PM   #45 
  - Dishonest OP if there ever was one  spiritual_gunfighter   Feb-18-10 07:32 PM   #37 
  - I didn't use quotation marks. Who said I'm directly quoting someone?  ohiodemocratic   Feb-18-10 07:39 PM   #39 
     - I did read the entire story and Nate made no such conclusion.  Luminous Animal   Feb-18-10 07:59 PM   #54 
     - I read it  spiritual_gunfighter   Feb-18-10 08:21 PM   #61 
  - Did you actually read what he said? n/t  Unvanguard   Feb-18-10 07:58 PM   #53 
  - It depends on how the polls are conducted.  Dr.Phool   Feb-18-10 08:04 PM   #56 
  - I don't really trust Survey USA much either and I endorse the House Bill.  WI_DEM   Feb-19-10 09:19 AM   #68 
 

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