| 154. We need low income housing- there are employed homeless people |
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We had a 35 year old homeless man die in Anchorage over the summer. He was living and working out of his truck. He was murdered for the $6 he had in his pocket. He was working but did not make enough to cover rent and expenses.
"attack the causes of homelessness which is mental health, drug and alcohol abuse and unemployment"
These are the stereotypes, but there are employed families, people on disability etc. who cannot afford rent because there is not enough low income housing.
The real cause of homelessness is lack of housing.
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| -18.6 Million Empty Homes In America, 3.5 million homeless |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 11:37 AM |
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also see: |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 11:43 AM |
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Someone needs to organize a squatting movement (nt) |
DBoon |
Feb-16-10 11:55 AM |
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It's already happening. |
BeHereNow |
Feb-16-10 11:58 AM |
#3 |
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Um...those homes belong to somebody. Be it the bank or homeowners or an estate. |
TwilightGardener |
Feb-16-10 11:59 AM |
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I'm talking about a bailout for the people |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 12:20 PM |
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If there were a government program in place to buy your property |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 01:44 PM |
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No--I shouldn't have a problem selling it. If I did, or if it was in bad shape, then |
TwilightGardener |
Feb-16-10 11:04 PM |
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Thank you for your honesty; it's much appreciated. |
proudohioan |
Feb-17-10 09:27 AM |
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Easy solution: take them away from the thieving banks. |
Vidar |
Feb-16-10 02:42 PM |
#61 |
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Wouldn't I love to!!!! |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 03:25 PM |
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From what I have seen.. |
butterfly77 |
Feb-16-10 07:26 PM |
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Many of those homes are abondaned... |
maryf |
Feb-16-10 07:47 PM |
#121 |
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No--I hate to sound mean, but that house is my one big investment, |
TwilightGardener |
Feb-16-10 11:06 PM |
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Name removed |
Feb-18-10 04:15 AM |
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If you give someone something |
pipoman |
Feb-17-10 06:29 AM |
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"Theft" from bankers is morally permissable. nt |
anonymous171 |
Feb-17-10 12:10 PM |
#144 |
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agree 100%... turnabout is fair play.* n/m |
Yurovsky |
Feb-20-10 07:46 AM |
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Speaking for yourself |
Jax |
Feb-18-10 04:13 AM |
#177 |
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Only person I can speak for. If someone else doesn't give a crap |
TwilightGardener |
Feb-18-10 08:05 AM |
#183 |
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Enough homes to take in all the homeless Americans...but they're vacant? |
alp227 |
Feb-16-10 12:04 PM |
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5 1/3 empty homes for every homeless person |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 01:09 PM |
#17 |
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See post #4 |
Occulus |
Feb-16-10 01:26 PM |
#31 |
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Property owners are the problem? Yikes! |
montanto |
Feb-16-10 02:15 PM |
#48 |
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They're the ones holding all the cards. |
Occulus |
Feb-16-10 03:02 PM |
#78 |
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Yeah, I got that one right away. |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 03:28 PM |
#84 |
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OFTLOF |
pipoman |
Feb-17-10 06:46 AM |
#135 |
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Well, you have packed so many stereotypes and hate into your little screed, one |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 10:56 PM |
#173 |
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Just a realist |
pipoman |
Feb-18-10 05:12 AM |
#179 |
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Yes, indeedy. Teabaggers consider themselves realists, too. |
bobbolink |
Feb-18-10 01:35 PM |
#185 |
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Not once did I say any such thing |
pipoman |
Feb-18-10 07:50 PM |
#186 |
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Oh, yes, it isn't go to happen... except here and here and here...Heres your |
bobbolink |
Feb-19-10 01:38 PM |
#187 |
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I have no problem |
pipoman |
Feb-19-10 05:15 PM |
#188 |
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YOU are the one who read that into it in the first place. |
bobbolink |
Feb-19-10 11:09 PM |
#189 |
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Yeah |
pipoman |
Feb-20-10 05:25 AM |
#190 |
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Your'e right......... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:22 PM |
#53 |
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Wow--do you know how hard we worked to renovate my 1870's Victorian? |
TwilightGardener |
Feb-17-10 04:09 PM |
#160 |
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Only people who have never worked for anything |
pipoman |
Feb-18-10 05:17 AM |
#180 |
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I can almost understand if they're only talking about houses that are in such |
TwilightGardener |
Feb-18-10 08:07 AM |
#184 |
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unfortunately, empty homes don't last. |
endless october |
Feb-16-10 12:04 PM |
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There are also homeless people "falling in from lack of heat during the winter." |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 01:16 PM |
#19 |
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This is a matter of life and death! |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 01:20 PM |
#27 |
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It just doesn't seem to be a matter of urgency for most "progressives". |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 01:27 PM |
#32 |
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just because there's a house- it doesn't mean that there's heat. |
dysfunctional press |
Feb-16-10 06:33 PM |
#110 |
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These numbers don't make a lot of sense to me. |
CanonRay |
Feb-16-10 12:05 PM |
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but the rental vacancy rate is high, they say |
grasswire |
Feb-16-10 12:10 PM |
#8 |
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That's what I ended up doing... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 01:08 PM |
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I'm glad you found a solution! Unfortunately, there really aren't individual solutions... |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 01:19 PM |
#24 |
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Thank you, bobbolink! |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 01:40 PM |
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34,900!!! I think the govt. could afford quite a few houses at that rate... |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 01:58 PM |
#43 |
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Good question! |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:19 PM |
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Of course its a place to start! BUT, do you see that kind of interest here? |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 02:04 PM |
#45 |
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I see two of us with that kind of interest.. |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:16 PM |
#49 |
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I hope sincerely that you decide to take on that agenda, because it is an unpopular one |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 02:24 PM |
#54 |
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Well hell, honey, I ain't too sexy either!!!! |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:40 PM |
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. |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 02:48 PM |
#63 |
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No, as far as I know, I'm here and your'e there..... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:55 PM |
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Edit; spellcheck; YOU"RE... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:55 PM |
#70 |
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Shit, got it wrong again. |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:56 PM |
#71 |
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you two are cracking me up |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 05:20 PM |
#103 |
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I'm sorry. |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 06:35 PM |
#112 |
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They've moved back in with family - someone who used to be in a |
BR_Parkway |
Feb-16-10 12:39 PM |
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"or are the homeless numbers vastly understated?" |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 01:04 PM |
#14 |
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Homeless numbers are always vastly understated. |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 01:18 PM |
#22 |
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Monster overhang dude..........n/t |
galileoreloaded |
Feb-16-10 05:36 PM |
#104 |
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they are living in campers or tents or have moved in with family members or friends. |
cutlassmama |
Feb-16-10 06:09 PM |
#105 |
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Keep in mind a lot of these homes are in ghost towns. |
reformist2 |
Feb-16-10 12:24 PM |
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and most of them look like this... |
snooper2 |
Feb-16-10 12:59 PM |
#13 |
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jobs program |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 01:06 PM |
#15 |
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THANK YOU!!!! |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 01:20 PM |
#26 |
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Creating jobs AND giving homeless people a HOME! |
Desertrose |
Feb-16-10 03:35 PM |
#85 |
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It would be a start. |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 01:20 PM |
#25 |
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Many would take significant renovation in order to get a Certificate of Occupancy |
FarCenter |
Feb-16-10 12:52 PM |
#12 |
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sounds like a great jobs program! |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 01:11 PM |
#18 |
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Someone has to pay the person who's new job it is to rehab the house. |
Lance_Boyle |
Feb-16-10 01:17 PM |
#20 |
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Govt jobs program- Govt purchases foreclosed homes at auction |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 01:24 PM |
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OK, maybe you don't realize that 'the govt' is you and me - our tax $$$. |
Lance_Boyle |
Feb-16-10 01:33 PM |
#34 |
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"Woohoo for the bankers?" They just gave them a trillion dollar bailout for NOTHING! |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 01:48 PM |
#39 |
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Hey dude, CHILL!!! We are brainstorming here, |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:53 PM |
#66 |
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Do you think that that would cost anywhere in the same ballpark |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:07 PM |
#46 |
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Well, shitfire. ...if I can't have granite countertops, I'll stay in my car! |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 09:49 PM |
#123 |
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You go, bobbolink! |
proudohioan |
Feb-17-10 01:09 AM |
#129 |
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If enough "progressives" would start agitating for this, maybe "MAYBE" some progress could be made? |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 01:23 PM |
#29 |
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So, there is a fine "progressive" initiative, is it not? |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 01:21 PM |
#28 |
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That's "free" market CAPITALISM! |
Joanne98 |
Feb-16-10 01:17 PM |
#21 |
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Exactly! The solution even to asteroid impacts! |
RedCloud |
Feb-16-10 01:54 PM |
#41 |
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Funny, I was just looking out my window and thinking the same thing... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 01:18 PM |
#23 |
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If they could be bought, renovated, and sold for a profit, they would be |
FarCenter |
Feb-16-10 01:31 PM |
#33 |
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I would be so little compared to the amount they already have wasted |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 01:52 PM |
#40 |
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It would probably cost the economy over $2 trillion to renovate them. |
FarCenter |
Feb-16-10 02:03 PM |
#44 |
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Hate to tell you this, |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:28 PM |
#55 |
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I think your numbers are off |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 02:32 PM |
#57 |
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Oh, OK, then, you're right. Burn down the suckers. That'll be a cheap fix. |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 09:53 PM |
#124 |
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Please, don't bother these folks with the details! |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 02:48 PM |
#64 |
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Hey, I like my fantasy world very much, thank you. |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 03:01 PM |
#77 |
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The houses have some market value. The owner be it a bank or whom ever wants the market value |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 02:44 PM |
#62 |
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Actually, I was thinking more on the lines of affordable housing, |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 03:24 PM |
#82 |
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And 6 people looking for a job for every job opening. We need to create jobs |
change_notfinetuning |
Feb-16-10 01:37 PM |
#35 |
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Thank You!!!! |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 06:38 PM |
#113 |
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Oh, you're just being "negative!" ...wait till all those jobs come back |
Echo In Light |
Feb-16-10 01:40 PM |
#37 |
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This idea has a LOT of problems. |
flvegan |
Feb-16-10 01:55 PM |
#42 |
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Would that my taxes could go to helping the homeless |
SallyMander |
Feb-16-10 02:09 PM |
#47 |
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Thank you, Sally! Its good to know that Somebody values us! |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 09:55 PM |
#125 |
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Among which are that a lot of vacant houses are in urban areas controlled by Democrats |
FarCenter |
Feb-16-10 02:20 PM |
#51 |
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the homeless need homes, not shelters |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 02:20 PM |
#52 |
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The houses may be empty but not abandon I think. |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 02:40 PM |
#59 |
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My idea is to not put them out of their houses in the first place. |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 02:54 PM |
#67 |
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Someone has to come up with the money! |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 03:15 PM |
#81 |
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we spend $500,000 to kill each enemy soldier |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 04:29 PM |
#94 |
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I understand what you are saying. |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 04:40 PM |
#96 |
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Sounds to me like you're doing what you got mad at me for doing, right? |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 10:38 AM |
#138 |
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The money for helping the homeless in any way comes from taxes. |
county worker |
Feb-17-10 02:41 PM |
#151 |
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We need low income housing- there are employed homeless people |
happy_liberal |
Feb-17-10 02:59 PM |
#154 |
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I agree but the housing has to be paid for also. |
county worker |
Feb-17-10 03:14 PM |
#158 |
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And anyone can spread lies that hurt the most vulnerable people. |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 05:33 PM |
#166 |
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Instead of $200 billion for Afghanistan, we have $200 billion for low income housing |
happy_liberal |
Feb-17-10 05:46 PM |
#167 |
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Oh, so there are no foundations or churches who have done anything? |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 05:30 PM |
#165 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-17-10 05:56 PM |
#169 |
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"the causes of homelessness ... " |
ThomCat |
Feb-17-10 11:06 PM |
#175 |
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Exactly. |
hunter |
Feb-20-10 07:44 AM |
#192 |
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Excellent idea! |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 03:38 PM |
#86 |
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it depends on the homeless person in question |
pitohui |
Feb-17-10 02:59 PM |
#155 |
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So, since you "knew" ONE person, you are projecting that onto Others? |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 06:53 PM |
#170 |
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Thank you for your intelligent response. |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:36 PM |
#58 |
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I wonder if anyone in this discussion can project into the future what will happen if their |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 02:31 PM |
#56 |
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I'm seeing homeless people instead living in warmth and safety |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 02:49 PM |
#65 |
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You are making too much sense. |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 02:56 PM |
#72 |
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In some other posts I said. these homes are owned by someone. |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 02:57 PM |
#73 |
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I'm guessing yours is a red county? |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 02:58 PM |
#74 |
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No it is Santa Barbara County, CA |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 03:05 PM |
#80 |
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I think most of us were thinking of Federal money, |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 04:37 PM |
#95 |
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+1 |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 05:06 PM |
#99 |
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Federal money is not magical money. |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Feb-16-10 05:17 PM |
#101 |
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Between you and me, |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 06:31 PM |
#108 |
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The bailout did not have to be done. |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Feb-17-10 09:47 AM |
#137 |
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I agree completely. |
CrispyQ |
Feb-17-10 01:55 PM |
#148 |
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The federal money is passed on to the states and that is passed on to us. |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 06:20 PM |
#106 |
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That is correct. |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 06:34 PM |
#111 |
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But you assume that all homeless are jobless...... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 04:17 PM |
#92 |
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Exactly right! People who are too old, too sick, too injured to work are constantly ignored. |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 12:06 PM |
#141 |
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I am in that business you talk about. |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 03:03 PM |
#79 |
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Yes, we are ALL a part of the problem.... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 06:25 PM |
#107 |
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Thank you, proud! Constantly telling us it can't be done means more suffering, more death. |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 12:10 PM |
#143 |
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Interesting you assume that most if not all, homeless people have "metal"illness. |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 12:07 PM |
#142 |
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a great many homeless people DO have mental illness |
pitohui |
Feb-17-10 03:01 PM |
#156 |
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about 20% have mental disability or drug problem...that's the fact... |
maryf |
Feb-17-10 04:03 PM |
#159 |
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Thank you, Mary. The deepest hurt comes from those who call themselves "progressive" |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 05:22 PM |
#164 |
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My Bad, 25% are mentally ill or addicted...many are vets... |
maryf |
Feb-17-10 05:50 PM |
#168 |
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SIXTEEN PERCENT. |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 05:20 PM |
#163 |
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I think our differential is due |
maryf |
Feb-17-10 08:43 PM |
#171 |
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Very true, Mary, and I suspect each source is going to report a bit of a difference. |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 10:47 PM |
#172 |
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Well, I see where you're going... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 04:01 PM |
#90 |
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I work in government where these kinds of problems are addressed every day. |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 04:19 PM |
#93 |
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Yeah, I'd love to "get into the game".... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 07:10 PM |
#115 |
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Where are you located? |
county worker |
Feb-17-10 02:27 PM |
#150 |
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Hey, thanks for the info; I'm in Cleveland, OH... |
proudohioan |
Feb-18-10 04:11 AM |
#176 |
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Sounds like a great fit -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-16-10 02:54 PM |
#68 |
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OH STOP THAT! YOUR JUST MAKING SENSE AGAIN! |
ddeclue |
Feb-16-10 02:58 PM |
#75 |
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The economy would have done much better if they'd put the money in the hands of the people! |
BuelahWitch |
Feb-16-10 03:48 PM |
#88 |
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When this article first came out, I posted Scottsdale, AZ's solution |
SoCalDem |
Feb-16-10 03:00 PM |
#76 |
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Where is the money coming from to buy them from the owners? |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 03:59 PM |
#89 |
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"I" did not propose what Scottsdale IS DOING. |
SoCalDem |
Feb-16-10 04:03 PM |
#91 |
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you inspired me to write another post |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 05:05 PM |
#98 |
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Always glad to be an inspiration. |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 05:19 PM |
#102 |
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Jerry Brown pointed this out in 1992 saying we could solve the homeless "problem" |
David Zephyr |
Feb-16-10 03:41 PM |
#87 |
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"The truth is that it has been this way for a very long time." |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 05:13 PM |
#100 |
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Obama announced 8 billion in nuclear plant loan guarantees promising "this is only the beginning" |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 04:56 PM |
#97 |
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are you suggesting just turning the houses over to the homeless...? |
dysfunctional press |
Feb-16-10 06:31 PM |
#109 |
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I'm suggesting low income housing $100 room rental, $400 house rental |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 07:35 PM |
#120 |
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we'll get there eventually... |
dysfunctional press |
Feb-16-10 10:26 PM |
#126 |
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That is one sad story. |
proudohioan |
Feb-17-10 01:24 AM |
#130 |
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the movie 'country' with jessica lange and sam shepherd does a good job of showing it... |
dysfunctional press |
Feb-17-10 10:43 AM |
#139 |
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I've never actually seen that movie... |
proudohioan |
Feb-17-10 11:03 AM |
#140 |
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it's a drama, not a documentary... |
dysfunctional press |
Feb-17-10 01:18 PM |
#145 |
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I have requested it! |
proudohioan |
Feb-20-10 05:42 AM |
#191 |
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I have a stupid question |
Canuckistanian |
Feb-16-10 06:39 PM |
#114 |
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They are in Cleveland... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 07:15 PM |
#116 |
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But are people in Cleveland buying? |
Canuckistanian |
Feb-16-10 07:24 PM |
#117 |
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I don't think so. |
proudohioan |
Feb-17-10 01:42 AM |
#132 |
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The homes would not be sold, but rented for low cost |
happy_liberal |
Feb-17-10 02:50 PM |
#152 |
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Prices have generally fallen a great deal. |
Zynx |
Feb-16-10 07:28 PM |
#119 |
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America: What have we become? |
donheld |
Feb-16-10 09:35 PM |
#122 |
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As much as I hate to say... |
PJPhreak |
Feb-17-10 01:41 AM |
#131 |
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You are absolutely right. |
proudohioan |
Feb-17-10 02:05 AM |
#133 |
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oh I agree, we need many more solutions |
happy_liberal |
Feb-17-10 01:20 PM |
#146 |
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I have often wondered about this same thing n/t |
dajoki |
Feb-17-10 01:41 PM |
#147 |
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nice signature line! |
happy_liberal |
Feb-17-10 02:02 PM |
#149 |
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what common sense solution is that? |
pitohui |
Feb-17-10 02:53 PM |
#153 |
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I am talking about the gov't buying homes at auction |
happy_liberal |
Feb-17-10 03:09 PM |
#157 |
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If you really think this is a good idea |
pipoman |
Feb-18-10 05:37 AM |
#182 |
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looks like someone has already started this program illegally |
happy_liberal |
Feb-17-10 04:41 PM |
#161 |
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You're gonna get yelled at for posting a link to foxnews. People |
Obamanaut |
Feb-17-10 04:59 PM |
#162 |
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Thanks for finding this! I suspect there is a lot of this happening in different areas. |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 11:04 PM |
#174 |
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I suspect Rameau will live to regret his involvement in this scheme. |
pipoman |
Feb-18-10 05:24 AM |
#181 |