| 71. Shit, got it wrong again. |
| -18.6 Million Empty Homes In America, 3.5 million homeless |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 11:37 AM |
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also see: |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 11:43 AM |
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Someone needs to organize a squatting movement (nt) |
DBoon |
Feb-16-10 11:55 AM |
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It's already happening. |
BeHereNow |
Feb-16-10 11:58 AM |
#3 |
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Um...those homes belong to somebody. Be it the bank or homeowners or an estate. |
TwilightGardener |
Feb-16-10 11:59 AM |
#4 |
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I'm talking about a bailout for the people |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 12:20 PM |
#9 |
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If there were a government program in place to buy your property |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 01:44 PM |
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No--I shouldn't have a problem selling it. If I did, or if it was in bad shape, then |
TwilightGardener |
Feb-16-10 11:04 PM |
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Thank you for your honesty; it's much appreciated. |
proudohioan |
Feb-17-10 09:27 AM |
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Easy solution: take them away from the thieving banks. |
Vidar |
Feb-16-10 02:42 PM |
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Wouldn't I love to!!!! |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 03:25 PM |
#83 |
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From what I have seen.. |
butterfly77 |
Feb-16-10 07:26 PM |
#118 |
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Many of those homes are abondaned... |
maryf |
Feb-16-10 07:47 PM |
#121 |
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No--I hate to sound mean, but that house is my one big investment, |
TwilightGardener |
Feb-16-10 11:06 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-18-10 04:15 AM |
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If you give someone something |
pipoman |
Feb-17-10 06:29 AM |
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"Theft" from bankers is morally permissable. nt |
anonymous171 |
Feb-17-10 12:10 PM |
#144 |
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agree 100%... turnabout is fair play.* n/m |
Yurovsky |
Feb-20-10 07:46 AM |
#193 |
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Speaking for yourself |
Jax |
Feb-18-10 04:13 AM |
#177 |
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Only person I can speak for. If someone else doesn't give a crap |
TwilightGardener |
Feb-18-10 08:05 AM |
#183 |
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Enough homes to take in all the homeless Americans...but they're vacant? |
alp227 |
Feb-16-10 12:04 PM |
#5 |
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5 1/3 empty homes for every homeless person |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 01:09 PM |
#17 |
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See post #4 |
Occulus |
Feb-16-10 01:26 PM |
#31 |
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Property owners are the problem? Yikes! |
montanto |
Feb-16-10 02:15 PM |
#48 |
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They're the ones holding all the cards. |
Occulus |
Feb-16-10 03:02 PM |
#78 |
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Yeah, I got that one right away. |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 03:28 PM |
#84 |
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OFTLOF |
pipoman |
Feb-17-10 06:46 AM |
#135 |
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Well, you have packed so many stereotypes and hate into your little screed, one |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 10:56 PM |
#173 |
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Just a realist |
pipoman |
Feb-18-10 05:12 AM |
#179 |
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Yes, indeedy. Teabaggers consider themselves realists, too. |
bobbolink |
Feb-18-10 01:35 PM |
#185 |
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Not once did I say any such thing |
pipoman |
Feb-18-10 07:50 PM |
#186 |
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Oh, yes, it isn't go to happen... except here and here and here...Heres your |
bobbolink |
Feb-19-10 01:38 PM |
#187 |
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I have no problem |
pipoman |
Feb-19-10 05:15 PM |
#188 |
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YOU are the one who read that into it in the first place. |
bobbolink |
Feb-19-10 11:09 PM |
#189 |
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Yeah |
pipoman |
Feb-20-10 05:25 AM |
#190 |
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Your'e right......... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:22 PM |
#53 |
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Wow--do you know how hard we worked to renovate my 1870's Victorian? |
TwilightGardener |
Feb-17-10 04:09 PM |
#160 |
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Only people who have never worked for anything |
pipoman |
Feb-18-10 05:17 AM |
#180 |
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I can almost understand if they're only talking about houses that are in such |
TwilightGardener |
Feb-18-10 08:07 AM |
#184 |
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unfortunately, empty homes don't last. |
endless october |
Feb-16-10 12:04 PM |
#6 |
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There are also homeless people "falling in from lack of heat during the winter." |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 01:16 PM |
#19 |
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This is a matter of life and death! |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 01:20 PM |
#27 |
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It just doesn't seem to be a matter of urgency for most "progressives". |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 01:27 PM |
#32 |
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just because there's a house- it doesn't mean that there's heat. |
dysfunctional press |
Feb-16-10 06:33 PM |
#110 |
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These numbers don't make a lot of sense to me. |
CanonRay |
Feb-16-10 12:05 PM |
#7 |
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but the rental vacancy rate is high, they say |
grasswire |
Feb-16-10 12:10 PM |
#8 |
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That's what I ended up doing... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 01:08 PM |
#16 |
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I'm glad you found a solution! Unfortunately, there really aren't individual solutions... |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 01:19 PM |
#24 |
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Thank you, bobbolink! |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 01:40 PM |
#36 |
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34,900!!! I think the govt. could afford quite a few houses at that rate... |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 01:58 PM |
#43 |
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Good question! |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:19 PM |
#50 |
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Of course its a place to start! BUT, do you see that kind of interest here? |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 02:04 PM |
#45 |
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I see two of us with that kind of interest.. |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:16 PM |
#49 |
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I hope sincerely that you decide to take on that agenda, because it is an unpopular one |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 02:24 PM |
#54 |
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Well hell, honey, I ain't too sexy either!!!! |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:40 PM |
#60 |
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. |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 02:48 PM |
#63 |
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No, as far as I know, I'm here and your'e there..... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:55 PM |
#69 |
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Edit; spellcheck; YOU"RE... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:55 PM |
#70 |
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Shit, got it wrong again. |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:56 PM |
#71 |
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you two are cracking me up |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 05:20 PM |
#103 |
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I'm sorry. |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 06:35 PM |
#112 |
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They've moved back in with family - someone who used to be in a |
BR_Parkway |
Feb-16-10 12:39 PM |
#11 |
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"or are the homeless numbers vastly understated?" |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 01:04 PM |
#14 |
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Homeless numbers are always vastly understated. |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 01:18 PM |
#22 |
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Monster overhang dude..........n/t |
galileoreloaded |
Feb-16-10 05:36 PM |
#104 |
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they are living in campers or tents or have moved in with family members or friends. |
cutlassmama |
Feb-16-10 06:09 PM |
#105 |
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Keep in mind a lot of these homes are in ghost towns. |
reformist2 |
Feb-16-10 12:24 PM |
#10 |
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and most of them look like this... |
snooper2 |
Feb-16-10 12:59 PM |
#13 |
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jobs program |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 01:06 PM |
#15 |
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THANK YOU!!!! |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 01:20 PM |
#26 |
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Creating jobs AND giving homeless people a HOME! |
Desertrose |
Feb-16-10 03:35 PM |
#85 |
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It would be a start. |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 01:20 PM |
#25 |
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Many would take significant renovation in order to get a Certificate of Occupancy |
FarCenter |
Feb-16-10 12:52 PM |
#12 |
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sounds like a great jobs program! |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 01:11 PM |
#18 |
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Someone has to pay the person who's new job it is to rehab the house. |
Lance_Boyle |
Feb-16-10 01:17 PM |
#20 |
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Govt jobs program- Govt purchases foreclosed homes at auction |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 01:24 PM |
#30 |
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OK, maybe you don't realize that 'the govt' is you and me - our tax $$$. |
Lance_Boyle |
Feb-16-10 01:33 PM |
#34 |
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"Woohoo for the bankers?" They just gave them a trillion dollar bailout for NOTHING! |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 01:48 PM |
#39 |
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Hey dude, CHILL!!! We are brainstorming here, |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:53 PM |
#66 |
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Do you think that that would cost anywhere in the same ballpark |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:07 PM |
#46 |
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Well, shitfire. ...if I can't have granite countertops, I'll stay in my car! |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 09:49 PM |
#123 |
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You go, bobbolink! |
proudohioan |
Feb-17-10 01:09 AM |
#129 |
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If enough "progressives" would start agitating for this, maybe "MAYBE" some progress could be made? |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 01:23 PM |
#29 |
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So, there is a fine "progressive" initiative, is it not? |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 01:21 PM |
#28 |
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That's "free" market CAPITALISM! |
Joanne98 |
Feb-16-10 01:17 PM |
#21 |
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Exactly! The solution even to asteroid impacts! |
RedCloud |
Feb-16-10 01:54 PM |
#41 |
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Funny, I was just looking out my window and thinking the same thing... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 01:18 PM |
#23 |
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If they could be bought, renovated, and sold for a profit, they would be |
FarCenter |
Feb-16-10 01:31 PM |
#33 |
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I would be so little compared to the amount they already have wasted |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 01:52 PM |
#40 |
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It would probably cost the economy over $2 trillion to renovate them. |
FarCenter |
Feb-16-10 02:03 PM |
#44 |
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Hate to tell you this, |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:28 PM |
#55 |
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I think your numbers are off |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 02:32 PM |
#57 |
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Oh, OK, then, you're right. Burn down the suckers. That'll be a cheap fix. |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 09:53 PM |
#124 |
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Please, don't bother these folks with the details! |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 02:48 PM |
#64 |
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Hey, I like my fantasy world very much, thank you. |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 03:01 PM |
#77 |
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The houses have some market value. The owner be it a bank or whom ever wants the market value |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 02:44 PM |
#62 |
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Actually, I was thinking more on the lines of affordable housing, |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 03:24 PM |
#82 |
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And 6 people looking for a job for every job opening. We need to create jobs |
change_notfinetuning |
Feb-16-10 01:37 PM |
#35 |
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Thank You!!!! |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 06:38 PM |
#113 |
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Oh, you're just being "negative!" ...wait till all those jobs come back |
Echo In Light |
Feb-16-10 01:40 PM |
#37 |
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This idea has a LOT of problems. |
flvegan |
Feb-16-10 01:55 PM |
#42 |
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Would that my taxes could go to helping the homeless |
SallyMander |
Feb-16-10 02:09 PM |
#47 |
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Thank you, Sally! Its good to know that Somebody values us! |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 09:55 PM |
#125 |
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Among which are that a lot of vacant houses are in urban areas controlled by Democrats |
FarCenter |
Feb-16-10 02:20 PM |
#51 |
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the homeless need homes, not shelters |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 02:20 PM |
#52 |
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The houses may be empty but not abandon I think. |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 02:40 PM |
#59 |
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My idea is to not put them out of their houses in the first place. |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 02:54 PM |
#67 |
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Someone has to come up with the money! |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 03:15 PM |
#81 |
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we spend $500,000 to kill each enemy soldier |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 04:29 PM |
#94 |
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I understand what you are saying. |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 04:40 PM |
#96 |
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Sounds to me like you're doing what you got mad at me for doing, right? |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 10:38 AM |
#138 |
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The money for helping the homeless in any way comes from taxes. |
county worker |
Feb-17-10 02:41 PM |
#151 |
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We need low income housing- there are employed homeless people |
happy_liberal |
Feb-17-10 02:59 PM |
#154 |
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I agree but the housing has to be paid for also. |
county worker |
Feb-17-10 03:14 PM |
#158 |
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And anyone can spread lies that hurt the most vulnerable people. |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 05:33 PM |
#166 |
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Instead of $200 billion for Afghanistan, we have $200 billion for low income housing |
happy_liberal |
Feb-17-10 05:46 PM |
#167 |
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Oh, so there are no foundations or churches who have done anything? |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 05:30 PM |
#165 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-17-10 05:56 PM |
#169 |
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"the causes of homelessness ... " |
ThomCat |
Feb-17-10 11:06 PM |
#175 |
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Exactly. |
hunter |
Feb-20-10 07:44 AM |
#192 |
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Excellent idea! |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 03:38 PM |
#86 |
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it depends on the homeless person in question |
pitohui |
Feb-17-10 02:59 PM |
#155 |
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So, since you "knew" ONE person, you are projecting that onto Others? |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 06:53 PM |
#170 |
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Thank you for your intelligent response. |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 02:36 PM |
#58 |
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I wonder if anyone in this discussion can project into the future what will happen if their |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 02:31 PM |
#56 |
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I'm seeing homeless people instead living in warmth and safety |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 02:49 PM |
#65 |
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You are making too much sense. |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 02:56 PM |
#72 |
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In some other posts I said. these homes are owned by someone. |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 02:57 PM |
#73 |
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I'm guessing yours is a red county? |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 02:58 PM |
#74 |
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No it is Santa Barbara County, CA |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 03:05 PM |
#80 |
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I think most of us were thinking of Federal money, |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 04:37 PM |
#95 |
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+1 |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 05:06 PM |
#99 |
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Federal money is not magical money. |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Feb-16-10 05:17 PM |
#101 |
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Between you and me, |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 06:31 PM |
#108 |
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The bailout did not have to be done. |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Feb-17-10 09:47 AM |
#137 |
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I agree completely. |
CrispyQ |
Feb-17-10 01:55 PM |
#148 |
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The federal money is passed on to the states and that is passed on to us. |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 06:20 PM |
#106 |
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That is correct. |
bobbolink |
Feb-16-10 06:34 PM |
#111 |
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But you assume that all homeless are jobless...... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 04:17 PM |
#92 |
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Exactly right! People who are too old, too sick, too injured to work are constantly ignored. |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 12:06 PM |
#141 |
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I am in that business you talk about. |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 03:03 PM |
#79 |
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Yes, we are ALL a part of the problem.... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 06:25 PM |
#107 |
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Thank you, proud! Constantly telling us it can't be done means more suffering, more death. |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 12:10 PM |
#143 |
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Interesting you assume that most if not all, homeless people have "metal"illness. |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 12:07 PM |
#142 |
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a great many homeless people DO have mental illness |
pitohui |
Feb-17-10 03:01 PM |
#156 |
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about 20% have mental disability or drug problem...that's the fact... |
maryf |
Feb-17-10 04:03 PM |
#159 |
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Thank you, Mary. The deepest hurt comes from those who call themselves "progressive" |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 05:22 PM |
#164 |
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My Bad, 25% are mentally ill or addicted...many are vets... |
maryf |
Feb-17-10 05:50 PM |
#168 |
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SIXTEEN PERCENT. |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 05:20 PM |
#163 |
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I think our differential is due |
maryf |
Feb-17-10 08:43 PM |
#171 |
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Very true, Mary, and I suspect each source is going to report a bit of a difference. |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 10:47 PM |
#172 |
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Well, I see where you're going... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 04:01 PM |
#90 |
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I work in government where these kinds of problems are addressed every day. |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 04:19 PM |
#93 |
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Yeah, I'd love to "get into the game".... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 07:10 PM |
#115 |
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Where are you located? |
county worker |
Feb-17-10 02:27 PM |
#150 |
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Hey, thanks for the info; I'm in Cleveland, OH... |
proudohioan |
Feb-18-10 04:11 AM |
#176 |
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Sounds like a great fit -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-16-10 02:54 PM |
#68 |
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OH STOP THAT! YOUR JUST MAKING SENSE AGAIN! |
ddeclue |
Feb-16-10 02:58 PM |
#75 |
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The economy would have done much better if they'd put the money in the hands of the people! |
BuelahWitch |
Feb-16-10 03:48 PM |
#88 |
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When this article first came out, I posted Scottsdale, AZ's solution |
SoCalDem |
Feb-16-10 03:00 PM |
#76 |
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Where is the money coming from to buy them from the owners? |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 03:59 PM |
#89 |
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"I" did not propose what Scottsdale IS DOING. |
SoCalDem |
Feb-16-10 04:03 PM |
#91 |
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you inspired me to write another post |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 05:05 PM |
#98 |
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Always glad to be an inspiration. |
county worker |
Feb-16-10 05:19 PM |
#102 |
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Jerry Brown pointed this out in 1992 saying we could solve the homeless "problem" |
David Zephyr |
Feb-16-10 03:41 PM |
#87 |
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"The truth is that it has been this way for a very long time." |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 05:13 PM |
#100 |
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Obama announced 8 billion in nuclear plant loan guarantees promising "this is only the beginning" |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 04:56 PM |
#97 |
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are you suggesting just turning the houses over to the homeless...? |
dysfunctional press |
Feb-16-10 06:31 PM |
#109 |
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I'm suggesting low income housing $100 room rental, $400 house rental |
happy_liberal |
Feb-16-10 07:35 PM |
#120 |
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we'll get there eventually... |
dysfunctional press |
Feb-16-10 10:26 PM |
#126 |
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That is one sad story. |
proudohioan |
Feb-17-10 01:24 AM |
#130 |
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the movie 'country' with jessica lange and sam shepherd does a good job of showing it... |
dysfunctional press |
Feb-17-10 10:43 AM |
#139 |
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I've never actually seen that movie... |
proudohioan |
Feb-17-10 11:03 AM |
#140 |
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it's a drama, not a documentary... |
dysfunctional press |
Feb-17-10 01:18 PM |
#145 |
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I have requested it! |
proudohioan |
Feb-20-10 05:42 AM |
#191 |
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I have a stupid question |
Canuckistanian |
Feb-16-10 06:39 PM |
#114 |
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They are in Cleveland... |
proudohioan |
Feb-16-10 07:15 PM |
#116 |
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But are people in Cleveland buying? |
Canuckistanian |
Feb-16-10 07:24 PM |
#117 |
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I don't think so. |
proudohioan |
Feb-17-10 01:42 AM |
#132 |
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The homes would not be sold, but rented for low cost |
happy_liberal |
Feb-17-10 02:50 PM |
#152 |
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Prices have generally fallen a great deal. |
Zynx |
Feb-16-10 07:28 PM |
#119 |
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America: What have we become? |
donheld |
Feb-16-10 09:35 PM |
#122 |
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As much as I hate to say... |
PJPhreak |
Feb-17-10 01:41 AM |
#131 |
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You are absolutely right. |
proudohioan |
Feb-17-10 02:05 AM |
#133 |
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oh I agree, we need many more solutions |
happy_liberal |
Feb-17-10 01:20 PM |
#146 |
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I have often wondered about this same thing n/t |
dajoki |
Feb-17-10 01:41 PM |
#147 |
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nice signature line! |
happy_liberal |
Feb-17-10 02:02 PM |
#149 |
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what common sense solution is that? |
pitohui |
Feb-17-10 02:53 PM |
#153 |
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I am talking about the gov't buying homes at auction |
happy_liberal |
Feb-17-10 03:09 PM |
#157 |
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If you really think this is a good idea |
pipoman |
Feb-18-10 05:37 AM |
#182 |
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looks like someone has already started this program illegally |
happy_liberal |
Feb-17-10 04:41 PM |
#161 |
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You're gonna get yelled at for posting a link to foxnews. People |
Obamanaut |
Feb-17-10 04:59 PM |
#162 |
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Thanks for finding this! I suspect there is a lot of this happening in different areas. |
bobbolink |
Feb-17-10 11:04 PM |
#174 |
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I suspect Rameau will live to regret his involvement in this scheme. |
pipoman |
Feb-18-10 05:24 AM |
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