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42. This idea has a LOT of problems.
Too many to list really, but I like the intent behind the idea. Surely the govt would have to reward the banks/lenders somehow, and then create (I hate this word) "an official class" for the homeless, I guess.

To me it seems far easier to not have endless wars that will cost a trillion dollars, and better use that money (in this case) for our homeless population. How hard could it be to build large structures in each city or borough that could house a few thousand folks? Hell, we seem to be able to throw up prisons pretty well. Make it like a barracks. Places to sleep, shower, get changes of clothes, a job placement assistance office with internet access and the guests can come and go as they please. Is it perfect? No, of course not, and seeing as how I'm an idiot, surely somebody could improve vastly on the idea.

Seriously, how hard can it be?
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  -18.6 Million Empty Homes In America, 3.5 million homeless happy_liberal  Feb-16-10 11:37 AM   #0 
  - also see:  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 11:43 AM   #1 
  - Someone needs to organize a squatting movement (nt)  DBoon   Feb-16-10 11:55 AM   #2 
  - It's already happening.  BeHereNow   Feb-16-10 11:58 AM   #3 
  - Um...those homes belong to somebody. Be it the bank or homeowners or an estate.  TwilightGardener   Feb-16-10 11:59 AM   #4 
  - I'm talking about a bailout for the people  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 12:20 PM   #9 
  - If there were a government program in place to buy your property  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 01:44 PM   #38 
  - No--I shouldn't have a problem selling it. If I did, or if it was in bad shape, then  TwilightGardener   Feb-16-10 11:04 PM   #127 
     - Thank you for your honesty; it's much appreciated.  proudohioan   Feb-17-10 09:27 AM   #136 
  - Easy solution: take them away from the thieving banks.  Vidar   Feb-16-10 02:42 PM   #61 
  - Wouldn't I love to!!!!  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 03:25 PM   #83 
  - From what I have seen..  butterfly77   Feb-16-10 07:26 PM   #118 
  - Many of those homes are abondaned...  maryf   Feb-16-10 07:47 PM   #121 
  - No--I hate to sound mean, but that house is my one big investment,  TwilightGardener   Feb-16-10 11:06 PM   #128 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-18-10 04:15 AM   #178 
  - If you give someone something  pipoman   Feb-17-10 06:29 AM   #134 
  - "Theft" from bankers is morally permissable. nt  anonymous171   Feb-17-10 12:10 PM   #144 
  - agree 100%... turnabout is fair play.* n/m  Yurovsky   Feb-20-10 07:46 AM   #193 
  - Speaking for yourself  Jax   Feb-18-10 04:13 AM   #177 
     - Only person I can speak for. If someone else doesn't give a crap  TwilightGardener   Feb-18-10 08:05 AM   #183 
  - Enough homes to take in all the homeless Americans...but they're vacant?  alp227   Feb-16-10 12:04 PM   #5 
  - 5 1/3 empty homes for every homeless person  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 01:09 PM   #17 
     - See post #4  Occulus   Feb-16-10 01:26 PM   #31 
        - Property owners are the problem? Yikes!  montanto   Feb-16-10 02:15 PM   #48 
        - They're the ones holding all the cards.  Occulus   Feb-16-10 03:02 PM   #78 
           - Yeah, I got that one right away.  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 03:28 PM   #84 
           - OFTLOF  pipoman   Feb-17-10 06:46 AM   #135 
              - Well, you have packed so many stereotypes and hate into your little screed, one  bobbolink   Feb-17-10 10:56 PM   #173 
                 - Just a realist  pipoman   Feb-18-10 05:12 AM   #179 
                    - Yes, indeedy. Teabaggers consider themselves realists, too.  bobbolink   Feb-18-10 01:35 PM   #185 
                       - Not once did I say any such thing  pipoman   Feb-18-10 07:50 PM   #186 
                          - Oh, yes, it isn't go to happen... except here and here and here...Heres your  bobbolink   Feb-19-10 01:38 PM   #187 
                             - I have no problem  pipoman   Feb-19-10 05:15 PM   #188 
                                - YOU are the one who read that into it in the first place.  bobbolink   Feb-19-10 11:09 PM   #189 
                                   - Yeah  pipoman   Feb-20-10 05:25 AM   #190 
        - Your'e right.........  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 02:22 PM   #53 
        - Wow--do you know how hard we worked to renovate my 1870's Victorian?  TwilightGardener   Feb-17-10 04:09 PM   #160 
           - Only people who have never worked for anything  pipoman   Feb-18-10 05:17 AM   #180 
              - I can almost understand if they're only talking about houses that are in such  TwilightGardener   Feb-18-10 08:07 AM   #184 
  - unfortunately, empty homes don't last.  endless october   Feb-16-10 12:04 PM   #6 
  - There are also homeless people "falling in from lack of heat during the winter."  bobbolink   Feb-16-10 01:16 PM   #19 
     - This is a matter of life and death!  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 01:20 PM   #27 
     - It just doesn't seem to be a matter of urgency for most "progressives".  bobbolink   Feb-16-10 01:27 PM   #32 
     - just because there's a house- it doesn't mean that there's heat.  dysfunctional press   Feb-16-10 06:33 PM   #110 
  - These numbers don't make a lot of sense to me.  CanonRay   Feb-16-10 12:05 PM   #7 
  - but the rental vacancy rate is high, they say  grasswire   Feb-16-10 12:10 PM   #8 
  - That's what I ended up doing...  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 01:08 PM   #16 
     - I'm glad you found a solution! Unfortunately, there really aren't individual solutions...  bobbolink   Feb-16-10 01:19 PM   #24 
        - Thank you, bobbolink!  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 01:40 PM   #36 
           - 34,900!!! I think the govt. could afford quite a few houses at that rate...  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 01:58 PM   #43 
           - Good question!  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 02:19 PM   #50 
           - Of course its a place to start! BUT, do you see that kind of interest here?  bobbolink   Feb-16-10 02:04 PM   #45 
              - I see two of us with that kind of interest..  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 02:16 PM   #49 
                 - I hope sincerely that you decide to take on that agenda, because it is an unpopular one  bobbolink   Feb-16-10 02:24 PM   #54 
                    - Well hell, honey, I ain't too sexy either!!!!  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 02:40 PM   #60 
                       - .  bobbolink   Feb-16-10 02:48 PM   #63 
                          - No, as far as I know, I'm here and your'e there.....  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 02:55 PM   #69 
                             - Edit; spellcheck; YOU"RE...  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 02:55 PM   #70 
                             - Shit, got it wrong again.  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 02:56 PM   #71 
                             - you two are cracking me up  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 05:20 PM   #103 
                                - I'm sorry.  bobbolink   Feb-16-10 06:35 PM   #112 
  - They've moved back in with family - someone who used to be in a  BR_Parkway   Feb-16-10 12:39 PM   #11 
  - "or are the homeless numbers vastly understated?"  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 01:04 PM   #14 
  - Homeless numbers are always vastly understated.  bobbolink   Feb-16-10 01:18 PM   #22 
  - Monster overhang dude..........n/t  galileoreloaded   Feb-16-10 05:36 PM   #104 
  - they are living in campers or tents or have moved in with family members or friends.  cutlassmama   Feb-16-10 06:09 PM   #105 
  - Keep in mind a lot of these homes are in ghost towns.  reformist2   Feb-16-10 12:24 PM   #10 
  - and most of them look like this...  snooper2   Feb-16-10 12:59 PM   #13 
  - jobs program  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 01:06 PM   #15 
     - THANK YOU!!!!  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 01:20 PM   #26 
     - Creating jobs AND giving homeless people a HOME!  Desertrose   Feb-16-10 03:35 PM   #85 
  - It would be a start.  bobbolink   Feb-16-10 01:20 PM   #25 
  - Many would take significant renovation in order to get a Certificate of Occupancy  FarCenter   Feb-16-10 12:52 PM   #12 
  - sounds like a great jobs program!  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 01:11 PM   #18 
  - Someone has to pay the person who's new job it is to rehab the house.  Lance_Boyle   Feb-16-10 01:17 PM   #20 
  - Govt jobs program- Govt purchases foreclosed homes at auction  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 01:24 PM   #30 
  - OK, maybe you don't realize that 'the govt' is you and me - our tax $$$.  Lance_Boyle   Feb-16-10 01:33 PM   #34 
     - "Woohoo for the bankers?" They just gave them a trillion dollar bailout for NOTHING!  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 01:48 PM   #39 
     - Hey dude, CHILL!!! We are brainstorming here,  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 02:53 PM   #66 
  - Do you think that that would cost anywhere in the same ballpark  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 02:07 PM   #46 
     - Well, shitfire. ...if I can't have granite countertops, I'll stay in my car!  bobbolink   Feb-16-10 09:49 PM   #123 
        - You go, bobbolink!  proudohioan   Feb-17-10 01:09 AM   #129 
  - If enough "progressives" would start agitating for this, maybe "MAYBE" some progress could be made?  bobbolink   Feb-16-10 01:23 PM   #29 
  - So, there is a fine "progressive" initiative, is it not?  bobbolink   Feb-16-10 01:21 PM   #28 
  - That's "free" market CAPITALISM!  Joanne98   Feb-16-10 01:17 PM   #21 
  - Exactly! The solution even to asteroid impacts!  RedCloud   Feb-16-10 01:54 PM   #41 
  - Funny, I was just looking out my window and thinking the same thing...  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 01:18 PM   #23 
  - If they could be bought, renovated, and sold for a profit, they would be  FarCenter   Feb-16-10 01:31 PM   #33 
  - I would be so little compared to the amount they already have wasted  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 01:52 PM   #40 
  - It would probably cost the economy over $2 trillion to renovate them.  FarCenter   Feb-16-10 02:03 PM   #44 
     - Hate to tell you this,  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 02:28 PM   #55 
     - I think your numbers are off  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 02:32 PM   #57 
     - Oh, OK, then, you're right. Burn down the suckers. That'll be a cheap fix.  bobbolink   Feb-16-10 09:53 PM   #124 
  - Please, don't bother these folks with the details!  county worker   Feb-16-10 02:48 PM   #64 
     - Hey, I like my fantasy world very much, thank you.  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 03:01 PM   #77 
  - The houses have some market value. The owner be it a bank or whom ever wants the market value  county worker   Feb-16-10 02:44 PM   #62 
     - Actually, I was thinking more on the lines of affordable housing,  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 03:24 PM   #82 
  - And 6 people looking for a job for every job opening. We need to create jobs  change_notfinetuning   Feb-16-10 01:37 PM   #35 
  - Thank You!!!!  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 06:38 PM   #113 
  - Oh, you're just being "negative!" ...wait till all those jobs come back  Echo In Light   Feb-16-10 01:40 PM   #37 
  - This idea has a LOT of problems.  flvegan   Feb-16-10 01:55 PM   #42 
  - Would that my taxes could go to helping the homeless  SallyMander   Feb-16-10 02:09 PM   #47 
  - Thank you, Sally! Its good to know that Somebody values us!  bobbolink   Feb-16-10 09:55 PM   #125 
  - Among which are that a lot of vacant houses are in urban areas controlled by Democrats  FarCenter   Feb-16-10 02:20 PM   #51 
  - the homeless need homes, not shelters  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 02:20 PM   #52 
  - The houses may be empty but not abandon I think.  county worker   Feb-16-10 02:40 PM   #59 
  - My idea is to not put them out of their houses in the first place.  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 02:54 PM   #67 
  - Someone has to come up with the money!  county worker   Feb-16-10 03:15 PM   #81 
     - we spend $500,000 to kill each enemy soldier  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 04:29 PM   #94 
        - I understand what you are saying.  county worker   Feb-16-10 04:40 PM   #96 
           - Sounds to me like you're doing what you got mad at me for doing, right?  bobbolink   Feb-17-10 10:38 AM   #138 
              - The money for helping the homeless in any way comes from taxes.  county worker   Feb-17-10 02:41 PM   #151 
                 - We need low income housing- there are employed homeless people  happy_liberal   Feb-17-10 02:59 PM   #154 
                 - I agree but the housing has to be paid for also.  county worker   Feb-17-10 03:14 PM   #158 
                    - And anyone can spread lies that hurt the most vulnerable people.  bobbolink   Feb-17-10 05:33 PM   #166 
                    - Instead of $200 billion for Afghanistan, we have $200 billion for low income housing  happy_liberal   Feb-17-10 05:46 PM   #167 
                 - Oh, so there are no foundations or churches who have done anything?  bobbolink   Feb-17-10 05:30 PM   #165 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-17-10 05:56 PM   #169 
                 - "the causes of homelessness ... "  ThomCat   Feb-17-10 11:06 PM   #175 
                    - Exactly.  hunter   Feb-20-10 07:44 AM   #192 
  - Excellent idea!  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 03:38 PM   #86 
  - it depends on the homeless person in question  pitohui   Feb-17-10 02:59 PM   #155 
     - So, since you "knew" ONE person, you are projecting that onto Others?  bobbolink   Feb-17-10 06:53 PM   #170 
  - Thank you for your intelligent response.  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 02:36 PM   #58 
  - I wonder if anyone in this discussion can project into the future what will happen if their  county worker   Feb-16-10 02:31 PM   #56 
  - I'm seeing homeless people instead living in warmth and safety  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 02:49 PM   #65 
  - You are making too much sense.  bobbolink   Feb-16-10 02:56 PM   #72 
  - In some other posts I said. these homes are owned by someone.  county worker   Feb-16-10 02:57 PM   #73 
  - I'm guessing yours is a red county?  bobbolink   Feb-16-10 02:58 PM   #74 
  - No it is Santa Barbara County, CA  county worker   Feb-16-10 03:05 PM   #80 
     - I think most of us were thinking of Federal money,  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 04:37 PM   #95 
     - +1  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 05:06 PM   #99 
     - Federal money is not magical money.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Feb-16-10 05:17 PM   #101 
     - Between you and me,  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 06:31 PM   #108 
        - The bailout did not have to be done.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Feb-17-10 09:47 AM   #137 
           - I agree completely.  CrispyQ   Feb-17-10 01:55 PM   #148 
     - The federal money is passed on to the states and that is passed on to us.  county worker   Feb-16-10 06:20 PM   #106 
     - That is correct.  bobbolink   Feb-16-10 06:34 PM   #111 
  - But you assume that all homeless are jobless......  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 04:17 PM   #92 
     - Exactly right! People who are too old, too sick, too injured to work are constantly ignored.  bobbolink   Feb-17-10 12:06 PM   #141 
  - I am in that business you talk about.  county worker   Feb-16-10 03:03 PM   #79 
     - Yes, we are ALL a part of the problem....  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 06:25 PM   #107 
     - Thank you, proud! Constantly telling us it can't be done means more suffering, more death.  bobbolink   Feb-17-10 12:10 PM   #143 
     - Interesting you assume that most if not all, homeless people have "metal"illness.  bobbolink   Feb-17-10 12:07 PM   #142 
        - a great many homeless people DO have mental illness  pitohui   Feb-17-10 03:01 PM   #156 
           - about 20% have mental disability or drug problem...that's the fact...  maryf   Feb-17-10 04:03 PM   #159 
           - Thank you, Mary. The deepest hurt comes from those who call themselves "progressive"  bobbolink   Feb-17-10 05:22 PM   #164 
           - My Bad, 25% are mentally ill or addicted...many are vets...  maryf   Feb-17-10 05:50 PM   #168 
           - SIXTEEN PERCENT.  bobbolink   Feb-17-10 05:20 PM   #163 
              - I think our differential is due  maryf   Feb-17-10 08:43 PM   #171 
                 - Very true, Mary, and I suspect each source is going to report a bit of a difference.  bobbolink   Feb-17-10 10:47 PM   #172 
  - Well, I see where you're going...  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 04:01 PM   #90 
     - I work in government where these kinds of problems are addressed every day.  county worker   Feb-16-10 04:19 PM   #93 
        - Yeah, I'd love to "get into the game"....  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 07:10 PM   #115 
           - Where are you located?  county worker   Feb-17-10 02:27 PM   #150 
              - Hey, thanks for the info; I'm in Cleveland, OH...  proudohioan   Feb-18-10 04:11 AM   #176 
  - Sounds like a great fit -- !!!  defendandprotect   Feb-16-10 02:54 PM   #68 
  - OH STOP THAT! YOUR JUST MAKING SENSE AGAIN!  ddeclue   Feb-16-10 02:58 PM   #75 
  - The economy would have done much better if they'd put the money in the hands of the people!  BuelahWitch   Feb-16-10 03:48 PM   #88 
  - When this article first came out, I posted Scottsdale, AZ's solution  SoCalDem   Feb-16-10 03:00 PM   #76 
  - Where is the money coming from to buy them from the owners?  county worker   Feb-16-10 03:59 PM   #89 
     - "I" did not propose what Scottsdale IS DOING.  SoCalDem   Feb-16-10 04:03 PM   #91 
     - you inspired me to write another post  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 05:05 PM   #98 
        - Always glad to be an inspiration.  county worker   Feb-16-10 05:19 PM   #102 
  - Jerry Brown pointed this out in 1992 saying we could solve the homeless "problem"  David Zephyr   Feb-16-10 03:41 PM   #87 
  - "The truth is that it has been this way for a very long time."  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 05:13 PM   #100 
  - Obama announced 8 billion in nuclear plant loan guarantees promising "this is only the beginning"  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 04:56 PM   #97 
  - are you suggesting just turning the houses over to the homeless...?  dysfunctional press   Feb-16-10 06:31 PM   #109 
  - I'm suggesting low income housing $100 room rental, $400 house rental  happy_liberal   Feb-16-10 07:35 PM   #120 
     - we'll get there eventually...  dysfunctional press   Feb-16-10 10:26 PM   #126 
        - That is one sad story.  proudohioan   Feb-17-10 01:24 AM   #130 
           - the movie 'country' with jessica lange and sam shepherd does a good job of showing it...  dysfunctional press   Feb-17-10 10:43 AM   #139 
              - I've never actually seen that movie...  proudohioan   Feb-17-10 11:03 AM   #140 
                 - it's a drama, not a documentary...  dysfunctional press   Feb-17-10 01:18 PM   #145 
                    - I have requested it!  proudohioan   Feb-20-10 05:42 AM   #191 
  - I have a stupid question  Canuckistanian   Feb-16-10 06:39 PM   #114 
  - They are in Cleveland...  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 07:15 PM   #116 
  - But are people in Cleveland buying?  Canuckistanian   Feb-16-10 07:24 PM   #117 
     - I don't think so.  proudohioan   Feb-17-10 01:42 AM   #132 
     - The homes would not be sold, but rented for low cost  happy_liberal   Feb-17-10 02:50 PM   #152 
  - Prices have generally fallen a great deal.  Zynx   Feb-16-10 07:28 PM   #119 
  - America: What have we become?  donheld   Feb-16-10 09:35 PM   #122 
  - As much as I hate to say...  PJPhreak   Feb-17-10 01:41 AM   #131 
  - You are absolutely right.  proudohioan   Feb-17-10 02:05 AM   #133 
  - oh I agree, we need many more solutions  happy_liberal   Feb-17-10 01:20 PM   #146 
  - I have often wondered about this same thing n/t  dajoki   Feb-17-10 01:41 PM   #147 
  - nice signature line!  happy_liberal   Feb-17-10 02:02 PM   #149 
  - what common sense solution is that?  pitohui   Feb-17-10 02:53 PM   #153 
  - I am talking about the gov't buying homes at auction  happy_liberal   Feb-17-10 03:09 PM   #157 
     - If you really think this is a good idea  pipoman   Feb-18-10 05:37 AM   #182 
  - looks like someone has already started this program illegally  happy_liberal   Feb-17-10 04:41 PM   #161 
     - You're gonna get yelled at for posting a link to foxnews. People  Obamanaut   Feb-17-10 04:59 PM   #162 
     - Thanks for finding this! I suspect there is a lot of this happening in different areas.  bobbolink   Feb-17-10 11:04 PM   #174 
     - I suspect Rameau will live to regret his involvement in this scheme.  pipoman   Feb-18-10 05:24 AM   #181 

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