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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:25 AM
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154. When people don't buy into it, they're called bad names.
Like uptight or names questioning sexual identity, because it's just not "normal" to question it.
Frankly, it takes both women and men to stop the lopsided 'sex sells' marketing strategy we have now.
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  -"Undercover Boss" at Hooters. Is this sexist and exploitation of women? Cleita  Feb-15-10 04:03 PM   #0 
  - As one woman on the show put it, "its degrading to women." n/t  Fire1   Feb-15-10 04:07 PM   #1 
  - But it seems that poverty and not being able to feed your children  Cleita   Feb-15-10 04:09 PM   #2 
     - Forcing women into a false choice is, too. eom  Hello_Kitty   Feb-15-10 04:11 PM   #4 
     - What's the false choice, the chance to make more money doing the same  Cleita   Feb-15-10 04:13 PM   #6 
     - If it was acceptable, why was the boss putting together a  Fire1   Feb-15-10 04:24 PM   #17 
     - The fact us that they are a legitimate business and pay taxes like  Cleita   Feb-15-10 04:26 PM   #20 
        - That's one incident and your experience. I've eaten there  Fire1   Feb-15-10 04:51 PM   #40 
           - Hmm. No, it was a series of experiences that culminated in that.  Cleita   Feb-15-10 04:55 PM   #43 
              - Still a strawman. You are one person and can't speak for  Fire1   Feb-15-10 06:02 PM   #87 
                 - No I can't so you win. However, this isn't about Denny's anyway.n/t  Cleita   Feb-15-10 06:04 PM   #91 
                    - I think I stated that. n/t  Fire1   Feb-15-10 06:05 PM   #93 
     - You've just described it.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-15-10 04:24 PM   #18 
     - I don't wear shorts, but I'm seventy.  Cleita   Feb-15-10 04:31 PM   #26 
        - Why would being 70 prevent you from wearing shorts?  lukasahero   Feb-15-10 05:24 PM   #62 
           - Good for her. I prefer not to. n/t  Cleita   Feb-15-10 05:26 PM   #63 
     - you asked why women dont want to go to hooters. it degrades. whether you like the answer or not  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 04:28 PM   #24 
     - +1  Echo In Light   Feb-15-10 04:16 PM   #9 
     - prostitution will feed the kids too. and i understand why some women chose that to starving  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 04:27 PM   #22 
  - Sorry, nope, not "rethinking" it.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-15-10 04:11 PM   #3 
  - I watched the show, too. Caught most of it anyway. I thought boss's son  mucifer   Feb-15-10 04:13 PM   #5 
  - I noticed the thing about the bonuses too. What I did catch though is that  Cleita   Feb-15-10 04:15 PM   #7 
     - no these were the factory workers who lost their bonuses. I'm pretty sure he  mucifer   Feb-15-10 04:17 PM   #11 
        - They didn't say who did, but I agree he should reinstate the bonuses if  Cleita   Feb-15-10 04:21 PM   #15 
  - It all comes down to choice. What's the saying about the law being  hedgehog   Feb-15-10 04:16 PM   #8 
  - Which brings me to the athletes. For some minorities the only way a man  Cleita   Feb-15-10 04:20 PM   #13 
  - So, two wrongs make a right? If you haven't seen complaints about the issue you raise,  hedgehog   Feb-15-10 04:27 PM   #23 
     - No, I'm just saying that the people who choose to work at these jobs are  Cleita   Feb-15-10 04:40 PM   #28 
        - when you tell men it is free game on tits and ass, there is not going ot be respect  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 04:44 PM   #35 
           - That's the guys problem if they don't have respect for women no matter  Cleita   Feb-15-10 05:59 PM   #82 
              - you really do miss the points  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 06:03 PM   #90 
  - Bingo!  Political_Junkie   Feb-15-10 05:15 PM   #59 
  - My last trip to Hooters was rather interesting...  Contrary1   Feb-15-10 04:17 PM   #10 
  - So you do understand that this waitress really can't get a better job, so  Cleita   Feb-15-10 04:23 PM   #16 
  - I have no idea if she could have gotten a better job or not...  Contrary1   Feb-15-10 04:26 PM   #21 
     - Which is the reason that mostly young women do these jobs. They move  Cleita   Feb-15-10 05:23 PM   #61 
  - They have food ?  NM_hemilover   Feb-15-10 05:52 PM   #79 
  - Sorry, but no.  redqueen   Feb-15-10 04:19 PM   #12 
  - It's a TV show...just another faux-reality show  SoCalDem   Feb-15-10 04:20 PM   #14 
  - the restaurant is... come enjoy the ass and tits. the intent is for ogling of ass and tits  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 04:25 PM   #19 
  - It's known as eye candy and it goes on in all types of businesses. n/t  Cleita   Feb-15-10 04:41 PM   #30 
     - HOOTERS. tits... it is in the name. no, most business do not USE a womans part  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 04:46 PM   #36 
     - Hooters centers its whole business around it, though. I can't believe there's actually  TwilightGardener   Feb-15-10 06:00 PM   #84 
  - Stupid  WitchyWoman57   Feb-15-10 04:31 PM   #25 
  - I have a feeling Jimbo will be seeing the unemployment line soon or  Cleita   Feb-15-10 04:50 PM   #39 
  - I wonder how many other Jimbo's are employed  ohheckyeah   Feb-15-10 05:31 PM   #68 
     - There are Jimbos throughout the food/restaurant industry across the country.  Cleita   Feb-15-10 05:39 PM   #71 
        - there are Jimbos in every industry  gmoney   Feb-15-10 06:19 PM   #97 
  - I agree about Jimbo - his ass should have been FIRED  AspenRose   Feb-15-10 06:39 PM   #106 
  - some of you need to lighten up  Duckhunter935   Feb-15-10 04:37 PM   #27 
  - I think it's an interesting discussion.  mucifer   Feb-15-10 04:41 PM   #31 
  - the question was, is it sexist and exploitive. the quest, though degrading why dont women support  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 04:42 PM   #32 
  - You are telling women what to do.  Cleita   Feb-15-10 04:46 PM   #37 
     - where did i tell anyone they cant do anything. point it out. nt  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 04:47 PM   #38 
     - Read your own posts. You don't think women should do this.  Cleita   Feb-15-10 04:53 PM   #42 
        - read my posts? it isnt in what i say... wtf? so ignore my posts and accuse inaccurately.  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 04:55 PM   #44 
        - what? Where did she say that?  Iris   Feb-15-10 07:42 PM   #120 
     - No she isn't. She isn't telling anyone what they can and can't do.  Bunny   Feb-15-10 04:52 PM   #41 
     - Well, I don't have to like the answers to get what I expected.  Cleita   Feb-15-10 04:57 PM   #45 
     - of course. now you will conjole women to going to hooters calling them pearl clutchers  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 04:59 PM   #49 
     - Yeah... who didn't see that coming?  redqueen   Feb-15-10 05:02 PM   #51 
     - the DEMAND i embrace degradation and if i dont, use degradation to insist  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 05:05 PM   #53 
     - Yep. Next thing you know, we're all going to be ugly old hags who  Bunny   Feb-15-10 05:06 PM   #55 
        - that's right. ugly. forgot, gotta be ugly and dont get any. hm, i think this little subthread  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 05:09 PM   #57 
     - what's puritanical about saying you think somehting is degrading?  Iris   Feb-15-10 07:45 PM   #122 
     - And I'm terribly disappointed that you think the problem here is puritanical Americans.  Kalyke   Feb-16-10 11:21 AM   #162 
     - exactly. this is the most audacious of posts i have had directed at me yet. i am specifically NOT  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 04:58 PM   #46 
     - Guess what, YOU'RE telling women what to do!  Hello_Kitty   Feb-15-10 05:34 PM   #69 
        - No, my intent was that women who work, not only at Hooters but other  Cleita   Feb-15-10 05:45 PM   #73 
  - Exactly! It's their choice.  Cleita   Feb-15-10 04:43 PM   #34 
  - i can't even figure out what you are asking  pitohui   Feb-15-10 04:40 PM   #29 
  - What?  WitchyWoman57   Feb-15-10 05:00 PM   #50 
  - Well, I guess I have been acquainted with a different group of women.  Cleita   Feb-15-10 05:08 PM   #56 
  - That's why they eventually used an owl on their signs.  KonaKane   Feb-15-10 04:42 PM   #33 
  - Sure... and their waitresses are famous for their horn-rimmed glasses  SoCalDem   Feb-15-10 04:59 PM   #47 
  - Pro-choice; people are free to take a job at Hooters  stray cat   Feb-15-10 04:59 PM   #48 
  - Thanks.  Cleita   Feb-15-10 05:11 PM   #58 
  - I'm not quite sure that comparing...  LanternWaste   Feb-15-10 05:04 PM   #52 
  - Hooters seems to be a southern thing. Not many of them up here.  dustbunnie   Feb-15-10 05:06 PM   #54 
  - I guess living near and in beach towns all my life I have different  Cleita   Feb-15-10 05:20 PM   #60 
  - it isnt about nudity  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 05:27 PM   #64 
  - The constant conflating of nudity vs. nudity used for marketing purposes  redqueen   Feb-15-10 05:30 PM   #66 
     - Sex sells. It's as simple as that.  Cleita   Feb-15-10 05:50 PM   #76 
        - Exactly... which brings us back to my point re: Idiocracy. (nt)  redqueen   Feb-15-10 05:51 PM   #77 
        - why do you think fox grabs every story that has a naked gal being degraded  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 05:52 PM   #78 
        - Now you have something to crusade about. Go after Fox not some  Cleita   Feb-15-10 06:03 PM   #89 
           - i am going after her now? you asked a question. you insist i give them my money  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 06:05 PM   #92 
              - Where did I say you have to give them your money?  Cleita   Feb-15-10 06:21 PM   #99 
                 - cleita, you make things up. that is not right. again, i said nothing about anyone not going  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 06:31 PM   #104 
                    - No I didn't. I said reconsider referring to them as degraded. It's just a job.  Cleita   Feb-15-10 06:39 PM   #107 
                       - where did i tell other women not to go there? and where did i say their costume  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 06:49 PM   #109 
        - btw, neil cavuto? had on a couple hooter gals. the gals talked as stupid as they possibly could  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 05:56 PM   #80 
        - To prove you're not a puritan of course...  redqueen   Feb-15-10 06:01 PM   #85 
        - So apparently you object to women who aren't that bright either?  Cleita   Feb-15-10 06:01 PM   #86 
           - nobody.... nobody.... is that stupid. no, i dont play fuckin games. my niece being cutsey  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 06:07 PM   #94 
        - Well... Sexism sells. It'sas simple as that too  LanternWaste   Feb-15-10 06:22 PM   #100 
        - "They put the FOX in Fox News!" --Written by some knuckledragger  AspenRose   Feb-15-10 06:44 PM   #108 
        - Where are the hot guys in tight shirts and pants on those sets?  Gormy Cuss   Feb-16-10 10:04 AM   #150 
           - talking to hubby this weekend. told him women sold a set of good. male naked not pretty  seabeyond   Feb-16-10 10:17 AM   #153 
              - When people don't buy into it, they're called bad names.  Gormy Cuss   Feb-16-10 10:25 AM   #154 
                 - It seems that most people have no problem at all  redqueen   Feb-16-10 10:42 AM   #156 
  - Oh no, don't get me wrong. I don't mind it either, and people in this business --  dustbunnie   Feb-15-10 05:30 PM   #65 
  - Now you are talking. Calling it a tourist trap is a valid and honest reason not to go there.  Cleita   Feb-15-10 05:47 PM   #74 
  - There is a time and a place for every article of clothing. Just because  hedgehog   Feb-15-10 05:48 PM   #75 
     - Have you ever worked as a waiter?  Cleita   Feb-15-10 05:56 PM   #81 
     - I don't get it........  proudohioan   Feb-16-10 10:42 AM   #157 
  - Southern thing?  WitchyWoman57   Feb-15-10 05:30 PM   #67 
  - They do? I must be really out of it then.  dustbunnie   Feb-15-10 05:38 PM   #70 
  - 450 Hooters locations in 43 states  Iris   Feb-15-10 07:36 PM   #116 
  - I had hope he would've enacted real policy changes  Raine   Feb-15-10 05:43 PM   # 
  - That show was a big ratings hit after the Super Bowl last week  NICO9000   Feb-15-10 05:43 PM   #72 
  - Never assume anything you see on TV, especially on a "reality" show, is real.  MilesColtrane   Feb-15-10 05:59 PM   #83 
  - Yeah that show sets off my bullshit detector.  spoony   Feb-15-10 06:12 PM   #95 
  - The show probably is being produced to show "corporate"  Fire1   Feb-15-10 06:21 PM   #98 
  - This one in particular had me saying "this can't be real"  AspenRose   Feb-15-10 07:03 PM   #110 
     - IF it was done for show, then that is even much worse. the all collaborated to degrade female for  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 07:07 PM   #112 
     - Exactly  MilesColtrane   Feb-15-10 10:57 PM   #142 
  - What we need is enough economic opportunity so no one ever feels forced into degrading work  Political Heretic   Feb-15-10 06:03 PM   #88 
  - I don't know anyone who does waitress work who doesn't want to do it.  Cleita   Feb-15-10 06:17 PM   #96 
     - Then you must not get out much.  Political Heretic   Feb-15-10 06:24 PM   #102 
        - I always liked it, but I preferred bartending.  Cleita   Feb-15-10 06:34 PM   #105 
  - Is it "free choice" when its that or starving on the street?  bobbolink   Feb-15-10 06:22 PM   #101 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-15-10 06:31 PM   #103 
  - +1 Periodic studies typically find that 80% - 90% of prostitutes want to find other work.  phasma ex machina   Feb-15-10 07:07 PM   #111 
     - Thanks for that... I can believe it.  bobbolink   Feb-15-10 07:29 PM   #113 
  - One of my best friends is a manager at a Hooters in Alabama.  bamacrat   Feb-15-10 07:33 PM   #114 
  - well, i am reassured to know it is ONLY the customers degrading the girls  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 07:36 PM   #117 
  - Thanks. That was basically my argument.  Cleita   Feb-15-10 07:37 PM   #118 
     - the manager herself says only the customers DEGRADE the girls. selective reading  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 07:39 PM   #119 
     - Yes, and my friend really likes working there.  bamacrat   Feb-16-10 01:33 AM   #144 
  - "He also gave her a less stressful job so she could be a better mother to her family"  Iris   Feb-15-10 07:34 PM   #115 
  - Well, in the case of a single mother I would say he's looking at the reality.  Cleita   Feb-15-10 07:43 PM   #121 
     - accommodations here generally equal career stagnation and low wages  Iris   Feb-15-10 07:49 PM   #124 
        - That's because it's here and we don't have equal representation where  Cleita   Feb-15-10 08:01 PM   #126 
  - when hasn't sex been used as a marketing tool?  dugaresa   Feb-15-10 07:47 PM   #123 
  - Yes, but men have the same problem too. They think they are going to  Cleita   Feb-15-10 08:04 PM   #127 
  - to each his or her own  Skittles   Feb-15-10 07:51 PM   #125 
  - Well, one of the things that occurs is that with the exception of  Cleita   Feb-15-10 08:39 PM   #128 
     - like I said, to each their own  Skittles   Feb-15-10 08:46 PM   #129 
     - And that is a perfect response because it's your choice as  Cleita   Feb-15-10 08:57 PM   #130 
        - no one said it was anything but a choice. no one said sluts. and no one said they have half a  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 08:59 PM   #132 
           - the fox hooter dingbats? I think this says it all.  Cleita   Feb-15-10 09:03 PM   #134 
              - dear... go back to the fox news thread. i told you the girl acting dumb. the guys laughing AT  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 09:06 PM   #136 
     - i was a waitress for years, in reno. and a bartender for a couple years. made tons of money  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 08:58 PM   #131 
        - But it's only degrading to you.  Cleita   Feb-15-10 09:00 PM   #133 
           - cleita, i have not said a god damn thing about the gd clothes. jeeezus  seabeyond   Feb-15-10 09:04 PM   #135 
           - wrong  Skittles   Feb-15-10 09:18 PM   #137 
              - Wrong. Women don't need other women telling them what is degrading. n/t  Cleita   Feb-15-10 09:49 PM   #139 
                 - no, they do it all by themselves  Skittles   Feb-15-10 10:03 PM   #141 
  - One assumption that seems to run through a lot of these posts  hedgehog   Feb-15-10 09:28 PM   #138 
  - I don't know. How do they treat her?  Cleita   Feb-15-10 09:56 PM   #140 
  - I happened to work at a steel mill six years ago. the managers tolerated and  hedgehog   Feb-16-10 09:56 AM   #149 
  - So basically you're echoing the opinions of the London women polled --  dustbunnie   Feb-16-10 09:20 AM   #146 
     - damn you had to twist a lot to associate that with the poster. what a convoluted post. nt  seabeyond   Feb-16-10 09:46 AM   #147 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-16-10 09:51 AM   #148 
        - That bothered you so I will try again, because I really would like it that you leave me alone.  dustbunnie   Feb-16-10 10:39 AM   #155 
           - i did not alert. i never saw the post. quit assuming. you are ALWAYS wrong. nt  seabeyond   Feb-16-10 10:49 AM   #158 
  - Google "Toy Yoda Hooters" nt  ddeclue   Feb-15-10 11:05 PM   #143 
  - there is the theory that the degrading scene by manager was staged. to entertain the audience  seabeyond   Feb-16-10 08:25 AM   #145 
  - My thoughts? Honestly?  Book Lover   Feb-16-10 10:11 AM   #151 
  - When the office goes to lunch, the women want to go to Hooters  itsrobert   Feb-16-10 10:14 AM   #152 
  - the women willingly allowed themelves to be treated like an animal to entertain audience  seabeyond   Feb-16-10 11:16 AM   #161 
     - Their superior is a woman  itsrobert   Feb-16-10 03:35 PM   #163 
        - really, who cares. in this show, women willingly allowed themselves to be dehumanized  seabeyond   Feb-16-10 05:00 PM   #164 
  - Hooters business model: Male supremacy, subservient objectified women.  noamnety   Feb-16-10 11:05 AM   #159 
     - Very good points...  redqueen   Feb-16-10 11:11 AM   #160 

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