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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #45
123. numbers & stuff...
http://www.wpri.com/generic/target_12/combing_contracts...

The Target 12 Team contacted each school district and requested a copy of their current contract pursuant to the Access to Public Records Act. We then read and catalogued the contracts for all 36 school districts and compared the data. Finally, we spoke with officials from the RI Department of Education, the RI Federation of Teachers and the RI Association of School Committees.

The information below represents a summary of contract elements. For full details, most current contracts are posted on the website of the Rhode Island Association of School Committees.

District Name.....Contract Dates.....Step 1.....Step 10.....Longevity..........B.A.........CAGS.....Masters.....Doctorate.....National Cert.

Central Falls 9/2008 to 8/2011.....$43,486.....$70,130.....$3,250 for 33 +...$800.00.....$3,655...$2,800.00....$3,900..........$6,000



an interesting link here: http://www.stateuniversity.com/elmsed/RI/Central-Falls-... especially for anyone who wants to do the math...
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  -Central Falls to fire every high school teacher FarCenter  Feb-15-10 02:47 PM   #0 
  - "The teachers at the high school make $70,000-$78,000," i call bullshit.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 02:50 PM   #1 
  - The same salary range is quoted in other stories, -- e.g. in the Providence Journal  FarCenter   Feb-15-10 02:55 PM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-15-10 03:07 PM   #10 
  - I call bullshit on that, too.  tonysam   Feb-15-10 05:10 PM   #65 
  - Actually, some teachers do make that much  leftofcool   Feb-15-10 02:58 PM   #5 
  - "some" is not "average".  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 03:08 PM   #11 
  - The highest paid teachers are on the east coast  leftofcool   Feb-15-10 03:24 PM   #14 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-15-10 03:26 PM   #18 
     - I am assuming you have been paid a teachers salary  leftofcool   Feb-15-10 03:37 PM   #28 
        - I've never worked in the public schools, & what teachers make "all over the US" is irrelevant to the  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 03:43 PM   #31 
           - I have a friend who still teaches in RI  leftofcool   Feb-15-10 03:46 PM   #34 
              - I don't give a rip what your friend's salary is. One person's salary isn't the "average".  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 03:49 PM   #36 
                 - A real teacher can call bullshit on this 70k-100k shit  tonysam   Feb-15-10 05:15 PM   #69 
     - Not really. There is lots of nepotism in those districts.  tonysam   Feb-15-10 05:13 PM   #68 
     - Teachers in my area  H2O Man   Feb-15-10 05:50 PM   #90 
  - I've been teaching for a couple of decades,  LWolf   Feb-15-10 04:32 PM   #53 
  - No, they don't.  tonysam   Feb-15-10 05:12 PM   #67 
  - A quick query of Providence public teachers market value at salary.com doesn't bear that out  lukasahero   Feb-15-10 07:02 PM   #120 
  - which isn't that much in many areas in MD  shugah   Feb-15-10 10:14 PM   #157 
  - Ditto.n/t  kickysnana   Feb-15-10 03:01 PM   #7 
  - Gawd forbid anyone make a comfortable living TEACHING.  gmoney   Feb-15-10 02:51 PM   #2 
  - Holy crap! 78K per year. Is that a lot where those teachers are?  Tim01   Feb-15-10 02:58 PM   #4 
  - Sure is but In Maryland they make that much and In PA as well.  leftofcool   Feb-15-10 02:59 PM   #6 
  - Yes. As a rule, public school teachers in PA are exceptionally well-paid, and teaching  Bunny   Feb-15-10 05:28 PM   #78 
     - this is what you call "exceptional"?  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 05:38 PM   #83 
  - I know that most teachers in Oregon and California get nothing close to that much money.  Quantess   Feb-15-10 03:03 PM   #8 
  - My DH is an 18 veteran teacher in Calif. He makes just over $50K...  ourbluenation   Feb-15-10 04:33 PM   #54 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-15-10 03:11 PM   #12 
  - no stats for 2008-2009?  leftofcool   Feb-15-10 03:25 PM   #16 
  - the stats i posted show that only the *top* salaries even *approached* $72K in 2007.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 03:28 PM   #21 
     - Actually, do you have any evidence that teachers salaries are affected by the recession  FarCenter   Feb-15-10 03:33 PM   #25 
     - Correct!  leftofcool   Feb-15-10 03:37 PM   #27 
     - Incorrect!  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 03:44 PM   #32 
     - I do. But I'd ask you the same: do you have any evidence that since 2007 teachers' salaries have  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 03:41 PM   #30 
        - East Providence does not equal Central Falls  leftofcool   Feb-15-10 03:51 PM   #37 
           - Show me the evidence that Central Falls pays significantly higher.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 04:02 PM   #43 
     - It is possible  leftofcool   Feb-15-10 03:35 PM   #26 
        - They took a pay freeze in 2009. & even without it, no way would they be anywhere  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 03:45 PM   #33 
           - Yep, pay freeze for East Providence  leftofcool   Feb-15-10 03:54 PM   #38 
           - Show me the proof that Central Falls teachers get paid significantly higher salaries  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 04:01 PM   #42 
           - Average PA teacher's salary in 2002-2003 was $51,425 dollars.  woo me with science   Feb-15-10 06:46 PM   #117 
  - Central Falls, RI is not in Providence, RI  FarCenter   Feb-15-10 03:39 PM   #29 
     - They're less than three years "out of date" & Providence teachers took a pay freeze in 2009.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 03:48 PM   #35 
        - Central Falls salaries aren't going to be wildly out of synch with Providence's.  leftofcool   Feb-15-10 03:55 PM   #39 
           - let's turn it around & ask how you know they *are*?  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 04:14 PM   #46 
  - Yes, real estate prices in RI are very depressed. It's hurting since textile mills off-shored  KittyWampus   Feb-15-10 03:28 PM   #20 
  - they make $70,000-$78,000 ...  mzteris   Feb-15-10 03:03 PM   #9 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-15-10 03:12 PM   #13 
  - gallo = charter shill  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 05:43 PM   #85 
     - Gallo on charter schools:  noamnety   Feb-15-10 07:59 PM   #130 
        - She's impressed by catholic schools, too. in fact, she & her husband the deacon donate to them.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 08:42 PM   #141 
  - If they are making the salary the system claims, it would seem fair  EmeraldCityGrl   Feb-15-10 03:24 PM   #15 
  - They're not.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 03:26 PM   #17 
     - OK... a third of this thread is now you posting these numbers  SallyMander   Feb-15-10 03:28 PM   #19 
     - the other two-thirds, however, is *you guys* saying omg! $72-$78K! they should take concessions!  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 03:29 PM   #22 
     - Do you have more current figures? These are three years old.  EmeraldCityGrl   Feb-15-10 03:57 PM   #40 
     - here ya go... & from the horses mouth . . .  mzteris   Feb-15-10 09:42 PM   #152 
        - No one's arguing with it; I posted it before you did. It just doesn't show "average"  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 10:20 PM   #160 
        - Thanks mzteris:) $43,486-$73,680  EmeraldCityGrl   Feb-15-10 11:01 PM   #170 
           - top pay 2009-2010 = $71.8. You're mixing three years.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 11:44 PM   #181 
     - They love repeating neocon propaganda.  Jakes Progress   Feb-15-10 05:48 PM   #86 
        - because they're invested in charter franchises?  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 05:49 PM   #88 
           - Or just not bright. nt  Jakes Progress   Feb-15-10 05:54 PM   #92 
              - i believe they're at least ordinarily bright. they just like charters.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 07:12 PM   #122 
     - It's not as though she's just randomly posting those numbers  fishwax   Feb-15-10 03:58 PM   #41 
     - I know -- i am having a curmudgeon day  SallyMander   Feb-15-10 04:48 PM   #58 
     - I saw the same thing over & over: "OMG!!! $78K!!!!????"  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 04:56 PM   #60 
     - no worries, they've been deleted, apparently too incendiary for du.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 07:10 PM   #121 
     - If people did there would be no need to repost.  Raineyb   Feb-15-10 05:20 PM   #71 
     - How is 70 to 78 K in 2009-2010 that different from 67 to 70 K in 2006-2007?  FarCenter   Feb-15-10 04:05 PM   #44 
     - a "suburban" school? central falls is a *poor* district. 30% of the population is below the  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 04:16 PM   #47 
     - The top step is $71K 2009-2010. Not $78K. "Most" can be 51% or 99%. It's meaningless  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 10:38 PM   #164 
     - The article isn't claiming they made that in 2006.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 04:21 PM   #48 
        - just like the erroneous figures on autoworkers' wages were corrected in the media. NOT.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 04:29 PM   #52 
  - Maybe that $70-78k includes overhead?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Feb-15-10 03:32 PM   #23 
  - maybe it includes bennies. but that's not how most people will read it. they'll read it as  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 03:33 PM   #24 
  - It's ALWAYS including benefits, which people don't live on  tonysam   Feb-15-10 05:22 PM   #73 
  - That was my first thought, but after more research, I'm not sure.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 04:07 PM   #45 
     - 2006-2007 is, by my figuring, 3 years ago, not four.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 04:27 PM   #50 
     - It's a total of 4 school years, there would be three salary jumps as I documented.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 04:44 PM   #57 
        - I don't care about the teabagger's explanation. There's nothing in his LINK to support it.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 04:58 PM   #61 
     - It appears that Central Falls school district has been taken over by the state  FarCenter   Feb-15-10 04:39 PM   #56 
     - Cental Falls' co-pay is 9-15%, as you can see in the link in your article:  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 04:51 PM   #59 
        - As it said in The Providence Journal article, most of the teachers are at the top step  FarCenter   Feb-15-10 05:05 PM   #63 
           - The only way they would "average" $78K is if EVERY teacher was at the top step  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 05:21 PM   #72 
           - Projo is a right-wing paper. It endorsed McCain in 2008. n/t  tonysam   Feb-15-10 05:23 PM   #74 
           - Exactly. And there are probably many new teachers at that school,  tonysam   Feb-15-10 05:25 PM   #76 
              - and you're basing this statement on -  mzteris   Feb-15-10 08:03 PM   #131 
              - Teacher Indicators  mzteris   Feb-15-10 08:44 PM   #142 
                 - Which leaves 83% of CF teachers with somewhere between 1-24 years in.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 09:03 PM   #145 
           - the PROBLEM is -  mzteris   Feb-15-10 06:28 PM   #111 
           - They might also be getting longevity pay.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 07:01 PM   #119 
              - the "longevity pay" in woonsocket is $1850 - if you have over 30 years in. there must be *lots*  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 07:18 PM   #124 
     - numbers & stuff...  mzteris   Feb-15-10 07:17 PM   #123 
        - Thus documenting the misrepresentation in the OP: Step 10 + 33+  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 07:32 PM   #125 
        - Salaries are a little higher than that this year.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 09:18 PM   #147 
           - doesn't really matter though, does it?  mzteris   Feb-15-10 09:39 PM   #151 
           - Well, you never want to fire the union. We need those.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 10:05 PM   #155 
           - and of course now  mzteris   Feb-15-10 10:22 PM   #161 
           - lol. the debate hasn't "stalled out". your friends keep insisting average salary is $72-$78K,  Hannah Bell   Feb-16-10 12:23 AM   #188 
           - Yes, I can see your support for teachers' unions. The facts are, teaching salaries start at $44K  Hannah Bell   Feb-16-10 12:07 AM   #185 
              - it's random math.  noamnety   Feb-16-10 05:29 AM   #191 
           - Yes, you're a veritable *font* of "facts". From charter school propaganda mills funded by walmart.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 11:46 PM   #182 
           - dammit - that "index" link wasn't working  mzteris   Feb-15-10 09:43 PM   #153 
  - As a teachers wife I'm sick of this. Comparing teachers salaries to local pop as a means to  ourbluenation   Feb-15-10 04:24 PM   #49 
  - +1000  GreenPartyVoter   Feb-15-10 04:36 PM   #55 
  - This is absolutely right  mcar   Feb-15-10 05:12 PM   #66 
  - That is the strangest article I've ever read.  Robb   Feb-15-10 04:29 PM   #51 
  - The QUESTION is not their Salary but should they put in the EXTRA time  keep_it_real   Feb-15-10 05:02 PM   #62 
  - Someone paid that much, working in IT as a professional, would be expected to put in the time  FarCenter   Feb-15-10 05:08 PM   #64 
     - They also get to work less in slack times "as a professional". Do teachers?  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 05:31 PM   #79 
        - In "slack" time, an IT professional had better be learning new stuff  FarCenter   Feb-15-10 05:42 PM   #84 
           - so do teachers. mandatory.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 05:49 PM   #87 
  - This is the kind of story that makes the unions look completely out of touch with reality..  DCBob   Feb-15-10 05:15 PM   #70 
  - This is the kind of post that makes people look like bloody ingrates.  Raineyb   Feb-15-10 05:24 PM   #75 
  - In the private sector workers routinely do extra work for no compensation..  DCBob   Feb-15-10 05:27 PM   #77 
  - They are demanding a PERMANENT increase in hours worked, what don't you get?  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 05:34 PM   #81 
  - Do teachers punch a timeclock?  DCBob   Feb-15-10 05:36 PM   #82 
     - oh, no, they can come & go as they please. their students & principals would never notice.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 05:51 PM   #91 
     - It depends on the school culture and administration.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 06:02 PM   #95 
        - do you pop in and out of your classes, too?  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 06:04 PM   #98 
           - personal attack noted. (nt)  noamnety   Feb-15-10 06:28 PM   #112 
              - i don't see any personal attack. my point is: teachers, unlike most "professionals," CANNOT  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 06:35 PM   #114 
                 - Thanks for schooling me on what it's like to be a teacher.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 06:38 PM   #116 
                    - you entered an ongoing conversation & seem determined to make it personal.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 07:55 PM   #129 
  - Only if they're a damn fool. Over the top? No right in line with what is normal.  Raineyb   Feb-15-10 08:04 PM   #133 
  - They were offered compensation - $30 an hour. The union demanded $90 an hour.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 05:50 PM   #89 
     - uh, no, they were not. super wants:  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 06:01 PM   #94 
     - The Union is out of touch with their demands  harkadog   Feb-15-10 06:03 PM   #97 
     - lol. transparent. "the evil u---nion!"  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 06:04 PM   #99 
        - Not transparent at all  harkadog   Feb-15-10 06:08 PM   #101 
           - oh, bull. the teachers are being asked to work 3 hours-plus extra every week. The $90  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 06:12 PM   #103 
              - So you think $90 a hour is a reasonable request?  harkadog   Feb-15-10 06:19 PM   #108 
              - I think if they're not going to pay ANYTHING for the mandatoryextra 3-plus hours/week they're asking  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 06:23 PM   #109 
              - Yes, they "ONLY" wanted $720 a day for training. Poor things.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 06:26 PM   #110 
                 - gee, perhaps it could have something to do with trying to get compensation for the 100-plus  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 06:33 PM   #113 
                    - Yes, I acknowledged it was a guesstimate on hours.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 06:37 PM   #115 
                       - For a summer training, you assume 8 hour days? The bigger point is the 3-5 added mandatory  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 07:36 PM   #126 
     - I don't know where you're getting that from because  Raineyb   Feb-15-10 10:05 PM   #156 
  - This here says a lot  michreject   Feb-15-10 06:13 PM   #104 
     - "Reform plan" = working for free. How about if the superintendant cuts her own salary first.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 06:15 PM   #106 
  - BS n/t  Swamp Rat   Feb-15-10 05:31 PM   #80 
  - Solidarity!  MilesColtrane   Feb-15-10 05:54 PM   #93 
  - I'll believe that solidarity shit  michreject   Feb-15-10 06:16 PM   #107 
  - Heh  Mixopterus   Feb-15-10 06:03 PM   #96 
  - Oh, I think the folks who want teachers to work longer for less wouldn't take kindly to  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 06:06 PM   #100 
     - But...  Mixopterus   Feb-15-10 06:10 PM   #102 
        - :>) *typical neo-liberal bullshit talking points*  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 06:14 PM   #105 
  - This sounds like a failure of leadership to me  Generic Brad   Feb-15-10 06:56 PM   #118 
  - +1000  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 07:41 PM   #127 
  - more salary info:  mzteris   Feb-15-10 07:46 PM   #128 
  - more bullshit. the up-to-date salary info for central falls is here:  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 08:03 PM   #132 
     - I had one more heart to give, Hannah, and it's for you  Ishoutandscream2   Feb-15-10 08:15 PM   #134 
     - what's surprising is to see all the "Democrats" eating it up.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 08:16 PM   #136 
     - Dems sharing Republicans' anti-worker views  Ishoutandscream2   Feb-15-10 08:22 PM   #138 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-15-10 08:45 PM   #143 
     - Thanks for finding the pay. That's from last year, FYI.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 09:02 PM   #144 
     - No, it's not accurate, even if "most" teachers are at step 10 & have masters degrees + 45.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 09:56 PM   #154 
        - Even with your made up percentages, you still are only 1K short of the range.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 10:17 PM   #159 
           - My "struggle" to stay within the range? Are you kidding? I put 80% of the  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 10:33 PM   #163 
           - You put too many at Masters plus 45, and too many at step 1.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 10:49 PM   #166 
              - 1% have LESS THAN 1 year's experience. But do 80% have 10 years' plus MA + 45?  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 10:55 PM   #168 
                 - Is that good enough for you, or am i still "struggling"?  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 10:58 PM   #169 
                    - Yes, still struggling. Still using propaganda techniques as well.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 11:08 PM   #172 
                       - The MA + 45 adds $3450 to the basic step 10 compensation of $71,883.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 11:29 PM   #176 
                          - Painful. An MA +45 doesn't add that much beyond what a straight masters adds.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 11:41 PM   #179 
                             - "random" scenarios? i guess it's best to just believe every flipping thing you read in the mccain-  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 11:50 PM   #183 
                                - Yes, it's random and the oddest statistical analysis I've ever seen.  noamnety   Feb-16-10 05:26 AM   #190 
                                   - I acknowledged the top paid teacher made $95K, & included that in my calculations.  Hannah Bell   Feb-16-10 02:38 PM   #192 
           - Gym teacher made $95,625.89 in 2006  mzteris   Feb-15-10 10:52 PM   #167 
              - Salary of $66,744 augmented by $28,000 of overage costs. Plus coaching.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 11:02 PM   #171 
     - I noticed that administrators salaries were included with the front line teachers.  MilesColtrane   Feb-15-10 11:09 PM   #173 
        - lol.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 11:42 PM   #180 
  - Interesting reference, that "Business Insider" - it's full of attacks on unionized workers. seems  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 08:15 PM   #135 
  - Get used to this....  sendero   Feb-15-10 08:20 PM   #137 
  - but we can "print money" for investment bankers. i wonder what the difference is?  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 08:37 PM   #140 
     - No one is more..  sendero   Feb-15-10 09:10 PM   #146 
  - Teachers are UNDERPAID!  DiverDave   Feb-15-10 08:27 PM   #139 
  - Hi DiverDave  GiveMeFreedom   Feb-15-10 09:32 PM   #149 
     - When I questioned a superintendent's salary in another thread  noamnety   Feb-15-10 09:38 PM   #150 
        - yes, i guess "Democrat" = supporting private charter school administators raking it in instead.  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 10:15 PM   #158 
        - Ah, sorry, 345k. And that's with benefits, so he's probably just scraping by.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 10:43 PM   #165 
           - some snippets  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 11:10 PM   #174 
              - I've said several times I believe it's too much no matter if it's a 401k or a 403b.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 11:30 PM   #177 
                 - I completely agree. But as I've demonstrated & could continue to demonstrate, there are plenty of  Hannah Bell   Feb-15-10 11:55 PM   #184 
        - It sure as hell wasn't from me.  tonysam   Feb-15-10 10:31 PM   #162 
           - I see there are some higher salaries this year.  noamnety   Feb-15-10 11:24 PM   #175 
              - Interesting site. Thanks for linking. n/t  tonysam   Feb-15-10 11:35 PM   #178 
              - Too bad charter schools in NY don't have the same disclosure requirements.  Hannah Bell   Feb-16-10 12:16 AM   #186 
                 - If they're taking taxpayer money, they damned well should be transparent. n/t  tonysam   Feb-16-10 12:21 AM   #187 
                    - well, they're not. but their supporters don't much care.  Hannah Bell   Feb-16-10 12:25 AM   #189 
  - Instead of forcing more work on people  The Gunslinger   Feb-15-10 09:28 PM   #148 
 

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