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farmout rightarm Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 06:26 PM
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48. I shall now call you Doctor Royce Worthington
"man who asks inconvenient questions" from Heinlein's _Magic, Incorporated_

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  -Local news reported that the Olympic Luge accident was result of human error. LiberalFighter  Feb-13-10 05:11 PM   #0 
  - Well some human made an error  taterguy   Feb-13-10 05:12 PM   #1 
  - Not to mention the fact that the men are now starting further down  XemaSab   Feb-13-10 05:15 PM   #2 
  - So you think it was deliberate? n/t  Fumesucker   Feb-13-10 05:18 PM   #3 
  - I didn't mention or suggest anything about it being deliberate.  LiberalFighter   Feb-13-10 05:21 PM   #7 
  - You certainly implied it wasn't an error..  Fumesucker   Feb-13-10 05:25 PM   #10 
     - The human error I was referring to and the report on the local news  LiberalFighter   Feb-13-10 05:44 PM   #22 
        - That wasn't what you said in the OP..  Fumesucker   Feb-13-10 05:49 PM   #25 
           - Did you read the very last sentence of that post?  LiberalFighter   Feb-13-10 05:54 PM   #28 
  - I think they deliberately intended to create a fast and dangerous luge, yes.  KittyWampus   Feb-13-10 05:55 PM   #31 
     - You think they designed it specifically to be dangerous?  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 05:59 PM   #35 
        - I think they designed it to get viewers by making it extremely fast and decided to ignore safety  KittyWampus   Feb-13-10 06:11 PM   #38 
           - You can bet they had someone saying "it's going to be dangerous."  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 06:19 PM   #44 
           - I shudder to think where we would be if the "that is dangerous" naysayers had had their way  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 06:31 PM   #54 
              - Then you easily shudder, and for no good reason.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 06:34 PM   #57 
                 - You're free to be completely wrong. I really don't appreciate being compared to K. Rove,  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 07:04 PM   #68 
                    - Where on this thread do you have a different opinion than Rove would?  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 07:06 PM   #69 
           - Sorry, that's BS that comes from irrational hatred of companies.  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 06:23 PM   #45 
              - You do not seem to be aware of the history of product liability.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 06:27 PM   #50 
              - You're claiming they are willing to kill their customers. I find that an astonishing  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 06:32 PM   #55 
                 - Not just claiming it. That's a fact. Toyota. Firestone. Ford.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 06:37 PM   #58 
                 - Whatever you say. I agree with anything you have ever said or thought  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 06:39 PM   #60 
                    - *cough*  Wilms   Feb-13-10 07:04 PM   #67 
                 - Philip Morris and Marlboros? How do we use them safely?  jtuck004   Feb-13-10 07:17 PM   #74 
                    - What does "safely" mean? With zero risk? You can't do anything that "safely"  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 07:42 PM   #80 
              - You are hilarious. Oh, and since you are supposedly an aeronautics engineer-  KittyWampus   Feb-13-10 06:33 PM   #56 
              - You just pasted in a disconnected and unreadable bunch of unattributed nonsense.  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 06:38 PM   #59 
                 - self delete  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 06:54 PM   #64 
              - Wow...how about tobacco companies, phamraceuticals...  rasputin1952   Feb-13-10 07:13 PM   #72 
                 - I love how "wow" so subtly substitutes for "you're a dumbfuck"  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 07:35 PM   #78 
                    - First things first...  rasputin1952   Feb-13-10 08:16 PM   #87 
                       - I really don't disagree with much you said right there...  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 09:00 PM   #91 
                          - In the case of your friend...  rasputin1952   Feb-13-10 09:23 PM   #101 
                             - You make a most excellent point, with which I agree wholeheartedly. You may have heard  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 09:46 PM   #104 
  - The designers are not human?  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 05:19 PM   #4 
  - I think they were trying to blame the sledder.  LiberalFighter   Feb-13-10 05:23 PM   #9 
     - Well, if you had said that in the OP, it would have saved a lot of electrons.  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 05:55 PM   #29 
  - it looked to me like something broke or came off of the sled.  Lint Head   Feb-13-10 05:19 PM   #5 
  - They're worried about liability after touting the track's speed so much.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 05:20 PM   #6 
  - Exactly. And they could had avoided that by various methods.  LiberalFighter   Feb-13-10 05:22 PM   #8 
  - Any point with exposed beams should have been padded.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 05:35 PM   #15 
     - At a minimum. It would had help immensely if they had moved the beams further back.  LiberalFighter   Feb-13-10 05:38 PM   #18 
        - Where the hell were you guys when they built the Titanic and the Concorde?  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 06:17 PM   #43 
           - Common sense would not put structures near high activity.  LiberalFighter   Feb-14-10 01:23 PM   #109 
  - Why don't we all just call this an accident?  hayu_lol   Feb-13-10 05:25 PM   #11 
  - Why don't we call this a preventable death?  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 05:33 PM   #14 
  - Every accident is preventable with 20-20 foresight or a Magic Eight Ball.  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 05:56 PM   #32 
     - This accident was preventable if proper accommodations had been made during the design process  KittyWampus   Feb-13-10 05:58 PM   #34 
     - Sorry, "accomodations" has no meaning for me as a part of design criteria.  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 06:14 PM   #40 
        - you apparently live in a bubble. You want a prime example? Look up SUV's and roll-overs.  KittyWampus   Feb-13-10 06:27 PM   #49 
     - This accident was preventable by design and construction.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 06:00 PM   #36 
        - Really? I've been an aeronautical engineer for nearly 40 years.  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 06:11 PM   #39 
           - Vague idea is right.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 06:24 PM   #46 
              - Any asshole can sue anyone in the country for any reason or excuse.  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 07:08 PM   #70 
              - Getting past a motion to dismiss isn't so easy.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 07:50 PM   #81 
              - I bet they won't  northzax   Feb-13-10 09:07 PM   #94 
                 - Then it's a bet. His family has a lay down case worth millions.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 09:17 PM   #97 
                 - Then say goodbye to the olympics  northzax   Feb-13-10 09:39 PM   #103 
                    - Nonsense. That's why they carry insurance.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 09:47 PM   #105 
                 - Here's another thing I don't understand. Unless the track was off-limits to the entrants  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 09:19 PM   #99 
                    - They're olympians  northzax   Feb-13-10 09:49 PM   #106 
  - Because the luge was engineered. It was designed. Intentionally. By professionals  KittyWampus   Feb-13-10 05:57 PM   #33 
     - Ah...now I see. You demand perfection. Do you actually expect it?  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 06:15 PM   #42 
        - The death was preventable by better design that didn't require significant additional work.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 06:31 PM   #53 
  - I don't think protection on those beams would have saved him at 90 mph  DrDan   Feb-13-10 05:42 PM   #21 
     - In my view, there is liability for either design or construction.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 05:52 PM   #26 
        - that seems quite obvious to me - the guy left the track and hit a beam  DrDan   Feb-13-10 06:08 PM   #37 
           - If they simply put up a wall of plywood to create a long, flat surface.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 06:42 PM   #62 
              - I agree - seems like such a simple solution - particularly in areas that  DrDan   Feb-14-10 07:14 AM   #107 
  - Did everyone who practiced on that track die?  Kurt_and_Hunter   Feb-13-10 05:26 PM   #12 
  - Is that what you it think it takes to establish the track is dangerous?  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 05:36 PM   #16 
  - They reported that the participants were vocally concerned about the track.  LiberalFighter   Feb-13-10 05:40 PM   #19 
  - dangerous conditions magnify the effects of human error  Kurt_and_Hunter   Feb-13-10 07:38 PM   #79 
     - Well, "did not adequately compensate for the possibility of human error"  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 07:52 PM   #82 
     - It depends on the objective  Kurt_and_Hunter   Feb-13-10 08:03 PM   #86 
        - You have distilled the truth in a concise way: amusement park rides have safety  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 08:30 PM   #89 
     - I agree with your conclusion.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 07:52 PM   #83 
     - Did you see the track and the beams?  LiberalFighter   Feb-14-10 01:08 PM   #108 
  - I shall now call you Doctor Royce Worthington  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 06:26 PM   #48 
  - Nodar lifted his head. His error. nt  LLStarks   Feb-13-10 05:28 PM   #13 
  - He didn't create the defectively designed track.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 05:37 PM   #17 
  - Gee... yet they made the starting point of the track the same as the womens.  LiberalFighter   Feb-13-10 05:42 PM   #20 
  - I just feel horrible about the entire thing. Let's not lay blame, let's just fix it so it doesn't  jesus_of_suburbia   Feb-13-10 05:45 PM   #23 
  - Why not just put a big ole safey-netting thing over the top?  SoCalDem   Feb-13-10 05:48 PM   #24 
     - Sounds like a great idea to me.  jesus_of_suburbia   Feb-13-10 05:53 PM   #27 
        - They go so fast you can't really see them anyway:)  SoCalDem   Feb-13-10 05:55 PM   #30 
  - According to the IOC and the Luge Federation  Earth_First   Feb-13-10 06:14 PM   #41 
  - Fortunately, they're not the people who decide such things.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 07:01 PM   #66 
  - Actually looking at that video I think it was human error  MadHound   Feb-13-10 06:25 PM   #47 
  - Impossible. A thing like that can only result from criminal corporate negligence.  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 06:28 PM   #51 
     - About the only thing I can fault the builders of this course on  MadHound   Feb-13-10 06:30 PM   #52 
        - They should have called me, I could have made it safe at minimum cost!  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 06:41 PM   #61 
  - Shit happens.  Blue-Jay   Feb-13-10 06:48 PM   #63 
  - I said that list night and was beaten severely about the head and shoulders.  farmout rightarm   Feb-13-10 07:01 PM   #65 
  - when there are design flaws and absent safety measures it damned well is someone's fault.  KittyWampus   Feb-13-10 07:08 PM   #71 
  - Who is at fault?  Blue-Jay   Feb-13-10 07:16 PM   #73 
     - It's a dangerous sport. Can you name how many other lugers died? Since it's so dangerous?  KittyWampus   Feb-13-10 07:17 PM   #75 
     - So, there's no danger involved?  Blue-Jay   Feb-13-10 07:20 PM   #77 
     - Probably several entities and individuals.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 07:56 PM   #85 
        - Maybe more than that, given the prior warnings- particularly the very public one by the Aussie  depakid   Feb-13-10 08:21 PM   #88 
        - Had not read that. She really nails them on it.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 08:44 PM   #90 
           - Having had a look at parts of the track (admittedly from a lay perspective)  depakid   Feb-13-10 09:17 PM   #98 
              - All such boards circle the wagons, close ranks, and move in lock step.  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 09:23 PM   #100 
        - I said this Friday: "That whooshing sound you hear isn't from the luge track... "  Junkdrawer   Feb-13-10 09:24 PM   #102 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-13-10 07:18 PM   #76 
  - negligence happens too.  JVS   Feb-13-10 09:07 PM   #93 
  - Good thing we have you on the case  Joe the Revelator   Feb-13-10 07:56 PM   #84 
  - SB Nation has been all over this story from the start...  Junkdrawer   Feb-13-10 09:05 PM   #92 
  - co-sign  TexasObserver   Feb-13-10 09:08 PM   #95 
  - Several mistakes were made  Kalun D   Feb-13-10 09:10 PM   #96 
 

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