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Thu Apr-26-07 10:03 PM
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| 53. If a guy robs a 7/11, kills the clerk and then the cops kill the robber |
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We feel pity for the clerk, not the killer/robber.
The clerk would be the victim.
Yes, we can reach further and say that the robber was a victim of his environment, his upbringing, perhaps even his mental health, etc. Indeed that is the case many times.
The most innocent people here are the victims of the VT killer. While we can reacher further and perhaps agree that the VT killer was a victim of mental illness, he is certainly not completely innocent. I suspect he had some moments of lucidity during his months of planning to question right and wrong. It seems unlikely that he would have 0% sense of right and wrong. Its not like he was out robbing liquor stores, murdering people every day.
Memorials of this sort are there to remember the victims, not the instigators.
It might be appropriate for a seperate memorial for the killer himself as a victim of mental illness, however it would highly insulting to lump together the killer with his victims.
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OrangeCountyDemocrat |
Apr-26-07 06:14 PM |
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IMO, if you are truly a humane and compassionate person, you can also |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-26-07 06:21 PM |
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Just remember those"precious" babies George Bush and Dick Cheney, then. |
WinkyDink |
Apr-26-07 06:53 PM |
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Well, to be honest with you, I'm a liberal Catholic. Personally, I would not |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-26-07 07:24 PM |
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Great post! |
spoony |
Apr-27-07 12:22 AM |
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someone may kill |
ccpup |
Apr-26-07 06:22 PM |
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The Amish taught us a good lesson about this. |
PSPS |
Apr-26-07 06:23 PM |
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However one might fault the Amish, that sure showed character. |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-26-07 06:26 PM |
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No, it is the ONLY Christian view: Forgiveness not Retribution. |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-26-07 06:30 PM |
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I have no idea what you're talking about, nor how it relates to what I said. |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-26-07 06:39 PM |
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It fully relates because their stated intentions toward forgiveness is NOT an act, CHRISTIAN ... |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-26-07 06:45 PM |
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I meant "act" as in "action", not as in "theater". |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-26-07 06:58 PM |
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Then you are not trying to understand. IMO, you are trying to give approval for self-righteousness |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-26-07 07:04 PM |
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Ooookkkaaaayyyy..... |
BlooInBloo |
Apr-26-07 07:14 PM |
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Everyone is entitled to a headstone. |
zanne |
Apr-26-07 09:46 PM |
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That's because GOD loves the sinner as much as the righteous. |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-26-07 06:29 PM |
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Thank you... |
AnneD |
Apr-26-07 07:10 PM |
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Yes the Amish showed the nation amazing strength. |
LeviathanCrumbling |
Apr-26-07 10:15 PM |
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I think he should get one |
bigwillq |
Apr-26-07 06:25 PM |
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The killer was not a murder victim. |
murloc |
Apr-26-07 06:26 PM |
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No, but he was a victim nonetheless. |
Midlodemocrat |
Apr-26-07 06:28 PM |
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And the two Columbine killers were apparently role models for |
lizzy |
Apr-26-07 07:52 PM |
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Feel however you wish. |
Midlodemocrat |
Apr-26-07 08:17 PM |
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Yes. Someone that sick is still someone's child. |
Midlodemocrat |
Apr-26-07 06:26 PM |
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What About The Families Of Those He Killed? |
OrangeCountyDemocrat |
Apr-26-07 06:34 PM |
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Yeah, maybe they too can have the opportunity to live out full blown emotional |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-26-07 06:41 PM |
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One problematic sentence... |
GaYellowDawg |
Apr-26-07 06:55 PM |
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I'm not TELLING anyone anything. That's your invention. I'm discussing process. |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-26-07 06:56 PM |
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"People need to" |
GaYellowDawg |
Apr-26-07 07:02 PM |
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Bullshit! I'm talking about long term. You really are over the line here. |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-26-07 07:08 PM |
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Whoa, whoa |
GaYellowDawg |
Apr-26-07 07:24 PM |
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Hey, that's cool. I'm admittedly a little overly spicy tonight. |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-26-07 07:27 PM |
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Well, I think you are showing admirable self-restraint! |
GaYellowDawg |
Apr-26-07 07:32 PM |
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No way. I think we all muddle though the best we know how ... |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-26-07 07:36 PM |
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Well, just for you... |
GaYellowDawg |
Apr-26-07 07:43 PM |
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we all cope with this in different ways, the best we can |
orleans |
Apr-27-07 12:18 AM |
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Sorry, OCD, but not all of us require a minimum amount of hatred to get us through each day. |
PSPS |
Apr-26-07 06:50 PM |
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When the Columbine students were killed some man built |
Sequoia |
Apr-26-07 06:39 PM |
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There's no accounting for idiots. |
WinkyDink |
Apr-26-07 06:46 PM |
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Perhaps - but with a qualifier. |
GaYellowDawg |
Apr-26-07 06:49 PM |
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How is a mentally ill human being |
malaise |
Apr-26-07 06:50 PM |
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The Cho was also a victim because he was a very mentally ill person |
Geek_Girl |
Apr-26-07 07:20 PM |
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Should Jeffrey Dahmer? Charlie Manson? WTH?? |
WinkyDink |
Apr-26-07 07:24 PM |
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He was CRAZY and was allowed to fall through the cracks |
Warpy |
Apr-26-07 07:41 PM |
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Oh give me a break. Everybody is a victim, I guess. |
lizzy |
Apr-26-07 07:54 PM |
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Those who feel compassion for Chou, do you feel the same for Bush? |
murloc |
Apr-26-07 10:13 PM |
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Should the 19 9/11 hijackers be added to a memorial for their victims? |
dansolo |
Apr-26-07 07:44 PM |
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Exactly. |
lizzy |
Apr-26-07 07:49 PM |
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No. |
lizzy |
Apr-26-07 07:49 PM |
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he may have been a victim, and he may deserve memorial |
iverglas |
Apr-26-07 07:52 PM |
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He doesn't need one... |
misanthrope |
Apr-26-07 07:54 PM |
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my impulse is no, but as a Christian and someone with some |
Wetzelbill |
Apr-26-07 08:14 PM |
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HIs family deserves the stone |
treestar |
Apr-27-07 10:35 PM |
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We keep calling the likes of Cho "victims", and they get off WAAYY too easy for THEIR actions. |
jmg257 |
Apr-26-07 08:43 PM |
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Fuck No! |
fujiyama |
Apr-26-07 09:36 PM |
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Add to this-it does not look to me that he just "flipped." |
lizzy |
Apr-26-07 09:43 PM |
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Good point |
fujiyama |
Apr-27-07 12:24 AM |
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I agree with you: Only a nutcase would want to memorialize a mass murderer |
brentspeak |
Apr-26-07 09:48 PM |
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He's dead, and trying to pretend he did not exist does not help anything |
treestar |
Apr-26-07 09:52 PM |
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Yes, and Columbine killers were apparently an inspiration for Mr. Cho. |
lizzy |
Apr-26-07 10:07 PM |
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no one is pretending he didn't exist--all you have to do is look at |
orleans |
Apr-27-07 12:00 AM |
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If a guy robs a 7/11, kills the clerk and then the cops kill the robber |
murloc |
Apr-26-07 10:03 PM |
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No |
ls317 |
Apr-26-07 10:08 PM |
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NO!!! |
piedmont |
Apr-26-07 10:30 PM |
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I think that the students of VA Tech should be the ones to discuss and decide this. |
AZBlue |
Apr-27-07 12:16 AM |
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Leave it to his family |
Canuckistanian |
Apr-27-07 12:21 AM |
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Maybe he should get a stone as a victim of the US healthcare system |
48percenter |
Apr-27-07 12:28 AM |
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i've posted two times on this thread already, and now i'll respond to you |
orleans |
Apr-27-07 12:29 AM |
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Yes, in Hell! |
Silence Dogood |
Apr-27-07 10:37 PM |
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I am conflicted about this. |
KitchenWitch |
Apr-27-07 10:50 PM |
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