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Sun Jan-31-10 10:39 AM
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| 5. By "the like" do you mean people like Yoo and Addington? Real terrorists. |
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Edited on Sun Jan-31-10 10:39 AM by ThomWV
Lower level operatives who do the dirty work?
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| -Are civilian criminal trials required for the underware bomber, KSM, and the like? |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 10:31 AM |
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you have a problem with our criminal justice system? you know, the whole "nation of laws" meme? |
niyad |
Jan-31-10 10:32 AM |
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It's not perfect, but it's probably the best out there. |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 10:36 AM |
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How do you know who's an enemy combatant without a trial? |
Truth2Tell |
Jan-31-10 02:04 PM |
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What precludes that from being the intial qestion addressed by the |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 02:26 PM |
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The lack of a set of rules |
Truth2Tell |
Jan-31-10 02:51 PM |
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With some of my replies I have stated reasons for not using it. |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 03:55 PM |
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"FDR did it" is not a reason. It's just a cheap |
Truth2Tell |
Jan-31-10 04:43 PM |
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Tribunals are within the US legal system, thanks to |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 06:31 PM |
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Sure, "accurate and just" is just a common sense |
Truth2Tell |
Jan-31-10 07:35 PM |
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you're gonna be real popular here with that username.... |
Ardent15 |
Jan-31-10 10:38 AM |
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Yeah, I know I am not popular, but I am not hiding my inclinations. |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 10:40 AM |
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let's get the truth in the open....these thugs belong to no military |
spanone |
Jan-31-10 10:38 AM |
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Just because others have been tried in civilian criminal trials |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 10:57 AM |
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I suppose we could go by the constitution...Article III, section 2 |
rgbecker |
Jan-31-10 01:06 PM |
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It seems that the concept of "unlawful combatant" or "ememy combatnat" predates Bush/Cheney. |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 01:31 PM |
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The Germans giving rise to the first Supreme Court case |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 04:14 PM |
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By "the like" do you mean people like Yoo and Addington? Real terrorists. |
ThomWV |
Jan-31-10 10:39 AM |
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At the very least, I would like to see them referred to the |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 10:43 AM |
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I'm getting tired of this "enemy combatant" nonsense |
Goldstein1984 |
Jan-31-10 10:42 AM |
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it's also a way of dealing with terrorists so we hear NONE of the testimony |
spanone |
Jan-31-10 10:44 AM |
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I would not want them to be held in secret |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 11:03 AM |
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I do not know that the catagory of "enemy combatant" is nonsense. |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 10:52 AM |
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I do. It's probably in one of the numerous folders I've created |
Goldstein1984 |
Jan-31-10 11:17 AM |
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Thanks. And I apprciate the work you did to keep |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 11:35 AM |
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This is an interesting subject |
Goldstein1984 |
Jan-31-10 11:43 AM |
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Agreed, what problem did the jerks have with the POW category? |
treestar |
Jan-31-10 11:21 AM |
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The Geneva Convention |
MilesColtrane |
Jan-31-10 11:30 AM |
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Yes, but prisoners of war are "legal combatants" |
Goldstein1984 |
Jan-31-10 12:30 PM |
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Since I hastily wrote my post... |
Goldstein1984 |
Jan-31-10 11:39 AM |
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It conferred rules upon the captor, and you know how Republicans are about responsibilities. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Jan-31-10 12:28 PM |
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Thank you. Back to the rule of law. |
jwirr |
Jan-31-10 12:00 PM |
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The proper term is "unlawful combatant" |
PacerLJ35 |
Jan-31-10 07:10 PM |
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Yes, I found that two-part breakdown of "enemy combatant" |
Goldstein1984 |
Feb-01-10 12:10 AM |
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Hope he stays safe...things are a lot better there now than 3 years ago |
PacerLJ35 |
Feb-01-10 12:22 AM |
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Thanks! I'll pass that along to his mother. |
Goldstein1984 |
Feb-01-10 12:56 AM |
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We are being reassured that KSM is guilty, will be found guilty, and will likely be executed. |
sharesunited |
Jan-31-10 10:52 AM |
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Sufficient unless you are interested in getting a conviction. |
EFerrari |
Jan-31-10 10:57 AM |
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Lumping KSM and the underwear bomber together is your mistake |
NNN0LHI |
Jan-31-10 11:03 AM |
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I agee with a lot of what you wrote. |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 11:14 AM |
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Let's see, we just got done trying one terrorist in civilian court, and that went well |
MadHound |
Jan-31-10 11:05 AM |
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If that is the best reason against it, I remain unconcincied. |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 11:27 AM |
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Then try this one on for size |
MadHound |
Jan-31-10 12:15 PM |
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It does not seem to be unconstutional. |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 12:36 PM |
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Wow, I certainly hope that you're not a lawyer, |
MadHound |
Jan-31-10 12:55 PM |
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Thanks for confirming that my "last contention" about reasonable doubt was correct. |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 03:45 PM |
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Its about the Constitution. Trial required with Jury for crimes. |
rgbecker |
Jan-31-10 01:19 PM |
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If a non US citizen commits a crime in the United States, he or she is tried in a US court of law |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jan-31-10 04:21 PM |
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Take a look at |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 07:02 PM |
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I don't give |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jan-31-10 08:05 PM |
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I have to ask |
Coyote_Bandit |
Jan-31-10 11:12 AM |
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I do not know that enemy combatant requires a formal declaration of |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 11:58 AM |
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If they can be tried, convicted and sentenced appropriately in a civilian court |
CJCRANE |
Jan-31-10 12:38 PM |
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If they can be tried, convicted, and sentenced appropriagely in a |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 12:51 PM |
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What is the history and reputation of military tribunals? I don't know much about them. |
CJCRANE |
Jan-31-10 12:55 PM |
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Go to law school |
Coyote_Bandit |
Jan-31-10 12:51 PM |
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You really think cowardice is the driver for desigations of |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 01:03 PM |
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pretty much yes |
Warren Stupidity |
Jan-31-10 04:12 PM |
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Ummmm...... |
Coyote_Bandit |
Jan-31-10 07:41 PM |
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"The best revenge... |
CJCRANE |
Jan-31-10 11:16 AM |
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Of course. If the U.S. has jurisdiction |
treestar |
Jan-31-10 11:21 AM |
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I agree that KSM probably should not have been brought here. |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 12:52 PM |
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What about Ramzi Yousef? Do you have a problem with his federal trial & conviction? nt |
Garbo 2004 |
Jan-31-10 01:54 PM |
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No. Do you have a problem with the tribunal |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 02:19 PM |
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As a justification for setting up an extrajudicial system subject to the whim of a President, |
Garbo 2004 |
Jan-31-10 09:34 PM |
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It is odd to see the same people who support bombing these guys in Pakistan saying they need a US |
timeforpeace |
Jan-31-10 11:31 AM |
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I do not follow what you mean. |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 11:38 AM |
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Specifically what is not clear? |
timeforpeace |
Jan-31-10 03:02 PM |
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The point of your reply. |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 03:58 PM |
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"They hate us for our freedoms". |
CJCRANE |
Jan-31-10 11:48 AM |
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Enron held a birthday party for shrub... people died in California |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Jan-31-10 11:55 AM |
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It's underwear. nt |
sufrommich |
Jan-31-10 12:01 PM |
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Seeing as there's no such thing as "enemy combatants" I'd say no, that wouldn't be sufficient. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Jan-31-10 12:27 PM |
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I propose military tribunals for people who misspell "underwear." nt |
Codeine |
Jan-31-10 12:38 PM |
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no kidding. |
inna |
Jan-31-10 12:59 PM |
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Seeing as how they're criminals it seems appropriate. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jan-31-10 01:06 PM |
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Terrorism by a non-citizen seems to me to be well beyond ordinary criminal |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 04:02 PM |
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They were captured in the United States by law enforcement |
Hippo_Tron |
Jan-31-10 01:22 PM |
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lemme see all who have been tried |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-31-10 01:24 PM |
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Read up a little on Military Tribunals please. |
rgbecker |
Jan-31-10 01:32 PM |
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Ex Parte Milligan delt with |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 01:47 PM |
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Maybe so, but these 9/11 crimes were committed in NY, Wash dc.... |
rgbecker |
Jan-31-10 03:05 PM |
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I have no inside knowledge. |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 03:18 PM |
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I hope that when they come to get me, the justice I get isn't dependent on |
rgbecker |
Jan-31-10 03:56 PM |
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"I would hope there would be greater likelihood of a conviction..." |
Truth2Tell |
Jan-31-10 04:51 PM |
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See reply 80. nt |
conservdem |
Jan-31-10 06:37 PM |
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I don't understand why conservatives have so little faith in the legal system |
The Velveteen Ocelot |
Jan-31-10 03:21 PM |
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They don't have any faith in it because |
Goldstein1984 |
Jan-31-10 04:56 PM |
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every person is guaranteed a trail by a jury of his peers in an open court |
Warren Stupidity |
Jan-31-10 04:04 PM |
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Criminal trials are essential |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jan-31-10 04:20 PM |
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No they're not. We'll just send them to the coordinates of the next drone strike. |
rug |
Jan-31-10 04:58 PM |
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