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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 11:21 AM
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49. Houston Chronicle says KIPP excels.
"Charter schools, which Texas began allowing in 1995, were supposed to set educators free and they did.

Paid for with state funds, and released from local school districts' rules, the best were free to excel: Houston-born charter systems KIPP and YES compiled terrific records of propelling minority and low-income kids into college.

Unfortunately, the worst charter schools were free to fail sometimes spectacularly, in ways that involved large amounts of money and criminal charges. In the Houston area, for instance, The Prepared Table saw its charter revoked in 2002; four of its administrators a pastor and three relatives were alleged to have stolen $3 million from federal and state programs. The Jesse Jackson Academy (with campuses in both Houston and Fort Worth) closed in 2008 amid charges it had misappropriated $3.2 million in federal grants. And last year, Gulf Shores Academy had to be reformulated after school administrators allegedly swindled more than $10 million from the state.

Given that dismal history, it's almost a relief that the latest bad news about Texas charter schools doesn't involve anything illegal. The Texans Can charter-school chain may be infuriating. But it appears to operate entirely within the law.

As the Chronicle's Jennifer Radcliffe recently reported, nine of the school's 10 schools are rated academically unacceptable by the state, and three are on the verge of being closed for repeated failure to meet federal standards. At Houston's Main Street campus, state data show that none of the 15 freshmen enrolled in 2001-02 managed to earn a high school diploma within six years. That's a 0 percent success rate."

I often wonder how passing one test formed in secret and graded in secret can make sure a kid is prepared for college.

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  -Discipline methods from a charter school that would get public school teachers in serious trouble. madfloridian  Jan-30-10 06:51 PM   #0 
  - If this happened in a public school district, a teacher would  tonysam   Jan-30-10 06:54 PM   #1 
  - If it happened in our public school district, the teacher would be hospitalized with serious  bertman   Jan-31-10 01:04 PM   #55 
  - Well golly gee!  Lyric   Jan-30-10 07:00 PM   #2 
  - You got it  Old Codger   Jan-30-10 07:59 PM   #6 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-30-10 09:51 PM   #12 
  - To whom are charter schools directly accountable? Like all corporations in theory to the shareholder  Vincardog   Jan-31-10 04:31 PM   #62 
  - I don't think I understand.  Tim01   Jan-30-10 07:03 PM   #3 
  - I don't think I mentioned paddling, but that is no longer done...  madfloridian   Jan-30-10 08:06 PM   #7 
  - It's up to parents to correct that kind of behavior, not teachers.  Danger Mouse   Jan-30-10 10:01 PM   #15 
     - Those students should all be kicked out of school. nt  Tim01   Jan-30-10 10:03 PM   #16 
     - There are 'alternative' schools for students who behave that way.  Danger Mouse   Jan-30-10 10:06 PM   #17 
        - Pre-prison. BTDT nt  Tim01   Jan-30-10 10:13 PM   #19 
        - My husband went to an alternative high school  liberal_at_heart   Jan-30-10 11:38 PM   #29 
     - Well sure  northzax   Jan-30-10 10:25 PM   #20 
        - How much time does a teacher have to attend to individual students in a public school, though?  Danger Mouse   Jan-30-10 11:23 PM   #24 
  - I guess corporal punishment must be  Starry Messenger   Jan-30-10 07:05 PM   #4 
  - Ain't it amazing? 1st article praising charter for what public schools are forbidden to do.  madfloridian   Jan-30-10 09:06 PM   #9 
  - Keep your eye on Ben Chavis too.  Starry Messenger   Jan-30-10 09:49 PM   #11 
  - But only if a charter does them.  donco6   Jan-30-10 11:27 PM   #25 
  - The parents should be called to answer for the behavior of their kids.  JDPriestly   Jan-31-10 02:49 AM   #42 
     - Sometimes the parents are in the gangs.  Starry Messenger   Jan-31-10 11:11 AM   #48 
  - And Obama's Secretary of Education Arne Duncan is promoting this. Fire Arne. (nt)  w4rma   Jan-30-10 07:11 PM   #5 
  - Won't happen. Notice these tactics get approval here at DU  madfloridian   Jan-31-10 12:27 AM   #41 
  - How is this not assault?  XemaSab   Jan-30-10 08:13 PM   #8 
  - Because 'the rotten kids probably deserved it' or some crap like that.  Danger Mouse   Jan-30-10 10:07 PM   #18 
  - It is assault and abuse  noamnety   Jan-30-10 11:33 PM   #27 
  - Assault  onpatrol98   Jan-31-10 12:07 PM   #53 
  - Suggested motto  gratuitous   Jan-30-10 09:18 PM   #10 
  - Intimidation and humiliation teaches blind fear of authority...which is just what they want.  Danger Mouse   Jan-30-10 09:56 PM   #13 
  - This shit wouldn't have happened in a public school even when I was a kid,  MadHound   Jan-30-10 09:59 PM   #14 
  - Oh, it happened, alright. You just never witnessed it.  Joe Fields   Jan-31-10 12:18 AM   #40 
     - Actually no, it didn't  MadHound   Jan-31-10 10:35 AM   #46 
        - Aw, now you made Joe Fields sad.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jan-31-10 12:09 PM   #54 
        - .....  madfloridian   Jan-31-10 10:01 PM   #67 
        - Me neither  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-31-10 01:09 PM   #56 
  - Please don't characterize all charters that way.  noamnety   Jan-30-10 11:00 PM   #21 
  - I said "a charter school". I made it clear I referred mostly to one.  madfloridian   Jan-30-10 11:34 PM   #28 
     - and I am with you on that.  noamnety   Jan-30-10 11:53 PM   #36 
        - The "private charters" get taxpayer money.  madfloridian   Jan-31-10 12:13 AM   #39 
           - More than you know  hapkidogal   Jan-31-10 08:05 AM   #44 
           - I saw this kind of stuff developing.  Catshrink   Jan-31-10 11:29 AM   #51 
           - That's part of the distinction I'm trying to point out.  noamnety   Jan-31-10 08:37 AM   #45 
  - It makes me worry about how Gay kids are treated in Charter schools.  donheld   Jan-30-10 11:15 PM   #22 
  - In some cases better, in some worse, I imagine  noamnety   Jan-30-10 11:31 PM   #26 
     - There are over 4,000 Gay-Straight Alliances in public high schools.  donco6   Jan-30-10 11:40 PM   #30 
        - My daughter's public school has a gay-straight alliance  liberal_at_heart   Jan-30-10 11:42 PM   #31 
        - Yes, I've been the advisor for one of them in our public charter school.  noamnety   Jan-30-10 11:47 PM   #34 
           - Just stating a fact.  donco6   Jan-30-10 11:52 PM   #35 
              - I think a lot of gay kids get bullied without mercy at school  noamnety   Jan-30-10 11:55 PM   #37 
                 - Then that administrator should be disciplined.  donco6   Jan-30-10 11:59 PM   #38 
  - K & R  fallingrock666   Jan-30-10 11:16 PM   #23 
  - Yeah no shit. There's a reason ones a public and ones private.  newtothegame   Jan-30-10 11:44 PM   #32 
  - -1  Mithreal   Jan-31-10 12:00 PM   #52 
  - Does it strike anyone else as obvious  lolly   Jan-30-10 11:44 PM   #33 
  - agree  Djinn   Jan-31-10 07:08 AM   #43 
  - Public taxpayer money goes to these schools...they get our money but not regulated.  madfloridian   Jan-31-10 11:05 AM   #47 
  - Well said!  Catshrink   Jan-31-10 11:25 AM   #50 
  - Houston Chronicle says KIPP excels.  madfloridian   Jan-31-10 11:21 AM   #49 
  - Recommend. Back in the day, 50's/60's when I was in school, paddling was allowed but  bertman   Jan-31-10 01:18 PM   #57 
  - hmm...  chervilant   Jan-31-10 01:52 PM   #58 
  - Carlisle Indian Industrial School  sulphurdunn   Jan-31-10 02:13 PM   #59 
  - Wow, I had to look that up.  madfloridian   Jan-31-10 02:31 PM   #60 
     - St. Hope, another charter school tainted with scandal  cjbgreen   Jan-31-10 02:52 PM   #61 
     - It's sort of misleading to call him a Democrat.  LeftyMom   Jan-31-10 10:06 PM   #68 
     - Yes, and so native children were taken away from their families...  prairierose   Jan-31-10 07:12 PM   #66 
  - Pity the fool that messes with Mr. T!  jpak   Jan-31-10 04:35 PM   #63 
  - ttt  Blue_Tires   Jan-31-10 05:29 PM   #64 
  - Serious trouble? More like fired.  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-31-10 05:33 PM   #65 
  - Love your threads.  Jakes Progress   Feb-01-10 10:22 PM   #69 

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