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Wed Jan-27-10 01:59 PM
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| 60. I'm sorry but PEOPLE before dogs. |
| -'Haiti's Animals ~ We Hear Their Cries, Help Is Coming' |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-26-10 04:22 AM |
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They should save some DNA from Bella and Dieter. |
Jamastiene |
Jan-26-10 04:40 AM |
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Lol, that's a good idea! |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-26-10 05:24 AM |
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personally, i think it's a waste of resources to bring in people to save dogs. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-26-10 05:20 AM |
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I couldn't disagree with you more. |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-26-10 05:44 AM |
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they're people flying into haiti, driving in haiti, using resources in haiti, |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-26-10 05:59 AM |
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Even if you don't care about animals, there is a real health |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-26-10 06:13 AM |
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true. this is why liberals get a bad name |
upi402 |
Jan-26-10 11:35 AM |
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Exactly. It's absurd to put animals over humans. Are the animal relief workers |
Hosnon |
Jan-26-10 11:47 AM |
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oh christ. why do they have to? Help is help and since they actually |
roguevalley |
Jan-26-10 07:33 PM |
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I would if I could - and I commend those who are there. But good intentions |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 08:48 AM |
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Once again, the False Dichotomy is a fallacy for a reason. |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 11:26 AM |
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I know what a false dichotomy is, and I don't think this is one. Unless there is no more need for |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 01:48 PM |
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...And that's called a "straw man." |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 02:06 PM |
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You are not reading what I'm posting if that's what you think the core of my argument is. |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 02:21 PM |
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Which reports? Post a link in support of your claim. |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 02:39 PM |
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A report doesn't need to show that animal aid has hurt human aid, only that |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 02:42 PM |
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Sorry, that doesn't follow. |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 03:11 PM |
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Demonstrating that humans do not have enough proves just that, which is what you don't seem |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 03:49 PM |
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Not all logistical matters can be reduced to $$. |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 04:08 PM |
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Unfortunately for your position, when space is limited, it's a zero sum situation. |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 05:34 PM |
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Let's cut to the chase, shall we? |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 07:56 PM |
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Do you have an instance of someone 'walking by' |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-27-10 01:35 PM |
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Of course not. But it's no different than if someone is denied water because part of the supply |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 01:52 PM |
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Ahh, now THIS is an interesting argument. |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 05:06 PM |
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You presume wrong. But the gluttony of America does harm others, for the same reason: |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 05:39 PM |
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Have you looked into utilitarian philosophy? |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 07:34 PM |
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How are they trading human lives for animal lives? Seriously, how? |
uppityperson |
Jan-26-10 07:53 PM |
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Resources are not unlimited. Allocating workers and resources to animals likely denies |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 08:45 AM |
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Where are lives being traded for the lives of animals? Can you |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-26-10 10:30 PM |
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Unless no more aid workers can be brought to assist with the human effort, those |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 08:45 AM |
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They, like all the aid, will bring in their own food/water. |
uppityperson |
Jan-26-10 07:53 PM |
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But they're POOPING in Haiti! |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 11:26 AM |
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I missed that line in the OP. I'm glad that they recognize the importance of helping |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 02:01 PM |
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I disagree and thankfully others do too. Animals are G-d creatures too. |
goldcanyonaz |
Jan-26-10 05:48 AM |
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trained animals are saving people. stray dogs aren't. god has nothing to do with anything. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-26-10 06:02 AM |
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adjust your glasses |
freeplessinseattle |
Jan-26-10 06:50 AM |
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Personally I would take care of the dogs over the people. |
leftyladyfrommo |
Jan-26-10 09:30 AM |
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Animals are definitely worth saving |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-26-10 11:31 AM |
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Individuals can be wonderful but I think our species as a whole |
leftyladyfrommo |
Jan-27-10 09:38 AM |
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true, creatures - NOT PEOPLE |
upi402 |
Jan-26-10 11:36 AM |
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Thankfully, you have no |
pecwae |
Jan-26-10 07:08 AM |
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I tend to agree. Humans first. |
Hosnon |
Jan-26-10 11:32 AM |
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we are animals too and we will probably go extinct for our arrogance |
roguevalley |
Jan-26-10 07:35 PM |
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Was it not clear that by "animals" I meant "non-human animals"? |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 08:50 AM |
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A waste of resources? |
hamsterjill |
Jan-26-10 11:39 AM |
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Bingo, you nailed the False Dichotomy. |
Ignis |
Jan-26-10 07:49 PM |
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When there is a bottleneck at the entry points, you have a dichotomy. |
piedmont |
Jan-27-10 02:02 PM |
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Any links showing that animal aid is taking away from human aid? |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 02:19 PM |
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The mere presence of animal aid takes away from human aid if human aid is not maxed out. nt. |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 03:51 PM |
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Support? Simply saying so doesn't make it true. (nt) |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 04:08 PM |
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It necessarily follows if you assume the bottleneck (mentioned up-subthread). |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 05:46 PM |
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And in that scenario, I'd agree. But Haiti isn't a lifeboat. (nt) |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 07:57 PM |
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no it doesn't |
TorchTheWitch |
Jan-27-10 07:00 PM |
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didn't take long did it. |
roguevalley |
Jan-26-10 07:31 PM |
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Aren't you precious. |
flvegan |
Jan-26-10 07:36 PM |
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Of course you do. You also think it's a grand idea to mutilate the genitals of little girls |
Lorien |
Jan-27-10 04:52 PM |
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WTF? |
redqueen |
Jan-27-10 05:34 PM |
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Should stop this if taking resources from the other relief efforts... |
JCMach1 |
Jan-26-10 06:50 AM |
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How would veterinarians and animal experts making sure |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-26-10 07:18 AM |
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Like I said as long as it doesn't get in the way of human relief... |
JCMach1 |
Jan-26-10 07:51 AM |
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In my opinion, such efforts are only justified when there is no need for more |
Hosnon |
Jan-26-10 11:39 AM |
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Thank you for the post |
EnlightenedOne |
Jan-26-10 09:04 AM |
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Thank you ~ n/t |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-26-10 10:53 AM |
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K & R !!!! |
shireen |
Jan-26-10 09:15 AM |
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K&R. Sorry the Holier-Than-Thou crowd is pissing on your post. |
Ignis |
Jan-26-10 01:23 PM |
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Thanks, it reminds me of the decision from during |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-26-10 01:34 PM |
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sabrina, I am with you. |
roguevalley |
Jan-26-10 07:36 PM |
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Thank you, roguevalley. |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-26-10 11:57 PM |
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I thought it had been decided after Katrina, too. |
Ignis |
Jan-26-10 07:54 PM |
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Some very nice posts in that thread. I don't understand |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-26-10 10:27 PM |
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Charming, aren't they? |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 02:08 PM |
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Bingo. nt |
Lorien |
Jan-27-10 04:56 PM |
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+1 |
redqueen |
Jan-27-10 03:15 PM |
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Amen. And the fact is that those who have no compassion for animals never show any real |
Lorien |
Jan-27-10 04:55 PM |
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Posts like this never fail to draw DU's finest speciesist assholes. |
flvegan |
Jan-26-10 07:59 PM |
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I was just about to post that the usual self-righteous fuckwittery |
The Velveteen Ocelot |
Jan-26-10 10:33 PM |
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Yes, I don't get why people feel you can't do both. People are |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-27-10 12:02 AM |
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Actually, I think this situation is pretty close to a zero-sum game. The reports haven't been: |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 08:53 AM |
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So, is poverty a more important issue than GLBT rights? |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 11:31 AM |
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Not at all. |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 01:58 PM |
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You've provided ZERO support for your assertion. |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 02:16 PM |
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Wow - this from the poster who accused me of using a straw man. |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 02:27 PM |
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Generalizations =/= specifics. Guesswork =/= facts. |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 02:30 PM |
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To begin, the animal aid workers aren't causing any problems because they know they are secondary |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 02:37 PM |
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Great news! So please explain posts # 24, 42, etc. (nt) |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 02:47 PM |
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I wasn't aware that the situation had improved. But it was the facts on the ground |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 03:08 PM |
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Have you re-read what you posted in # 24? (nt) |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 03:13 PM |
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Yep. nt. |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 03:35 PM |
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So you stand by this post, then? |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 04:46 PM |
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You're right. At the time I posted that, I had read over the fact that the group was not yet |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 05:21 PM |
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That's big of you. No sarcasm implied. (nt) |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 05:26 PM |
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Thanks. |
Hosnon |
Jan-27-10 05:53 PM |
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The animal rescue people are not coming in through the airport |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-27-10 06:38 PM |
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Thanks for this post. It is possible to help people and the animals. nt |
CBR |
Jan-27-10 08:51 AM |
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K&R |
gizmonic |
Jan-27-10 09:25 AM |
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Reducing suffering and disease among the animals will benefit the humans too. Kudos. |
Maru Kitteh |
Jan-27-10 09:28 AM |
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+1 |
onestepforward |
Jan-27-10 04:56 PM |
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Thank you ~ |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-27-10 06:41 PM |
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I am going to send money to help animals in Haiti |
Bryn |
Jan-27-10 10:26 AM |
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Done! |
Bryn |
Jan-27-10 10:37 AM |
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Now, you made me cry ~ |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-27-10 06:44 PM |
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I'm sorry but PEOPLE before dogs. |
ddeclue |
Jan-27-10 01:59 PM |
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+1 nt |
piedmont |
Jan-27-10 02:03 PM |
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Where was a contrary view expressed in the OP? |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 02:21 PM |
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There wasn't one, |
pecwae |
Jan-27-10 03:19 PM |
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This really shows what Americans think of Haitians |
AngryAmish |
Jan-27-10 02:01 PM |
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Who said that Haitians are "Less worthy of help than dogs?" |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 02:23 PM |
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Wasting your time. |
flvegan |
Jan-27-10 03:20 PM |
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Quixotically speaking, I agree. |
Ignis |
Jan-27-10 07:37 PM |
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I commend you, most certainly. |
flvegan |
Jan-27-10 08:10 PM |
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Oh FFS. (nt) |
redqueen |
Jan-27-10 03:20 PM |
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Yes, of course. We all think Haitians are less than dogs because they're black. |
The Velveteen Ocelot |
Jan-27-10 06:35 PM |
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Every time people talk about going in to save the animals you |
leftyladyfrommo |
Jan-28-10 09:31 AM |
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and Haiti's children: |
amborin |
Jan-27-10 04:56 PM |
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Wow, did people reading this article miss the part about saving farm animals? |
Starry Messenger |
Jan-27-10 05:18 PM |
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