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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:53 PM
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33. They, like all the aid, will bring in their own food/water.
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 07:55 PM by uppityperson
Yes, they will take up space, but are helping out. Read the OP "There cannot be a dedicated animal presence on the ground until the human crisis is more stabilized. However, Kinship Circle is contributing funding and volunteer support to the coalition right now."
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  -'Haiti's Animals ~ We Hear Their Cries, Help Is Coming' sabrina 1  Jan-26-10 04:22 AM   #0 
  - They should save some DNA from Bella and Dieter.  Jamastiene   Jan-26-10 04:40 AM   #1 
  - Lol, that's a good idea!  sabrina 1   Jan-26-10 05:24 AM   #3 
  - personally, i think it's a waste of resources to bring in people to save dogs.  Hannah Bell   Jan-26-10 05:20 AM   #2 
  - I couldn't disagree with you more.  sabrina 1   Jan-26-10 05:44 AM   #4 
  - they're people flying into haiti, driving in haiti, using resources in haiti,  Hannah Bell   Jan-26-10 05:59 AM   #6 
     - Even if you don't care about animals, there is a real health  sabrina 1   Jan-26-10 06:13 AM   #8 
     - true. this is why liberals get a bad name  upi402   Jan-26-10 11:35 AM   #20 
     - Exactly. It's absurd to put animals over humans. Are the animal relief workers  Hosnon   Jan-26-10 11:47 AM   #24 
        - oh christ. why do they have to? Help is help and since they actually  roguevalley   Jan-26-10 07:33 PM   #28 
        - I would if I could - and I commend those who are there. But good intentions  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 08:48 AM   #44 
           - Once again, the False Dichotomy is a fallacy for a reason.  Ignis   Jan-27-10 11:26 AM   #53 
           - I know what a false dichotomy is, and I don't think this is one. Unless there is no more need for  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 01:48 PM   #57 
              - ...And that's called a "straw man."  Ignis   Jan-27-10 02:06 PM   #65 
                 - You are not reading what I'm posting if that's what you think the core of my argument is.  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 02:21 PM   #70 
                    - Which reports? Post a link in support of your claim.  Ignis   Jan-27-10 02:39 PM   #75 
                       - A report doesn't need to show that animal aid has hurt human aid, only that  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 02:42 PM   #76 
                          - Sorry, that doesn't follow.  Ignis   Jan-27-10 03:11 PM   #79 
                             - Demonstrating that humans do not have enough proves just that, which is what you don't seem  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 03:49 PM   #86 
                                - Not all logistical matters can be reduced to $$.  Ignis   Jan-27-10 04:08 PM   #88 
                                   - Unfortunately for your position, when space is limited, it's a zero sum situation.  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 05:34 PM   #101 
                                      - Let's cut to the chase, shall we?  Ignis   Jan-27-10 07:56 PM   #112 
           - Do you have an instance of someone 'walking by'  sabrina 1   Jan-27-10 01:35 PM   #56 
              - Of course not. But it's no different than if someone is denied water because part of the supply  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 01:52 PM   #58 
                 - Ahh, now THIS is an interesting argument.  Ignis   Jan-27-10 05:06 PM   #96 
                    - You presume wrong. But the gluttony of America does harm others, for the same reason:  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 05:39 PM   #102 
                       - Have you looked into utilitarian philosophy?  Ignis   Jan-27-10 07:34 PM   #110 
        - How are they trading human lives for animal lives? Seriously, how?  uppityperson   Jan-26-10 07:53 PM   #34 
        - Resources are not unlimited. Allocating workers and resources to animals likely denies  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 08:45 AM   #43 
        - Where are lives being traded for the lives of animals? Can you  sabrina 1   Jan-26-10 10:30 PM   #38 
           - Unless no more aid workers can be brought to assist with the human effort, those  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 08:45 AM   #42 
     - They, like all the aid, will bring in their own food/water.  uppityperson   Jan-26-10 07:53 PM   #33 
        - But they're POOPING in Haiti!  Ignis   Jan-27-10 11:26 AM   #54 
        - I missed that line in the OP. I'm glad that they recognize the importance of helping  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 02:01 PM   #62 
  - I disagree and thankfully others do too. Animals are G-d creatures too.  goldcanyonaz   Jan-26-10 05:48 AM   #5 
  - trained animals are saving people. stray dogs aren't. god has nothing to do with anything.  Hannah Bell   Jan-26-10 06:02 AM   #7 
  - adjust your glasses  freeplessinseattle   Jan-26-10 06:50 AM   #9 
  - Personally I would take care of the dogs over the people.  leftyladyfrommo   Jan-26-10 09:30 AM   #16 
     - Animals are definitely worth saving  sabrina 1   Jan-26-10 11:31 AM   #18 
        - Individuals can be wonderful but I think our species as a whole  leftyladyfrommo   Jan-27-10 09:38 AM   #50 
  - true, creatures - NOT PEOPLE  upi402   Jan-26-10 11:36 AM   #21 
  - Thankfully, you have no  pecwae   Jan-26-10 07:08 AM   #11 
  - I tend to agree. Humans first.  Hosnon   Jan-26-10 11:32 AM   #19 
  - we are animals too and we will probably go extinct for our arrogance  roguevalley   Jan-26-10 07:35 PM   #29 
     - Was it not clear that by "animals" I meant "non-human animals"?  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 08:50 AM   #45 
  - A waste of resources?  hamsterjill   Jan-26-10 11:39 AM   #23 
  - Bingo, you nailed the False Dichotomy.  Ignis   Jan-26-10 07:49 PM   #32 
     - When there is a bottleneck at the entry points, you have a dichotomy.  piedmont   Jan-27-10 02:02 PM   #63 
        - Any links showing that animal aid is taking away from human aid?  Ignis   Jan-27-10 02:19 PM   #68 
           - The mere presence of animal aid takes away from human aid if human aid is not maxed out. nt.  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 03:51 PM   #87 
              - Support? Simply saying so doesn't make it true. (nt)  Ignis   Jan-27-10 04:08 PM   #89 
              - It necessarily follows if you assume the bottleneck (mentioned up-subthread).  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 05:46 PM   #103 
                 - And in that scenario, I'd agree. But Haiti isn't a lifeboat. (nt)  Ignis   Jan-27-10 07:57 PM   #113 
              - no it doesn't  TorchTheWitch   Jan-27-10 07:00 PM   #109 
  - didn't take long did it.  roguevalley   Jan-26-10 07:31 PM   #27 
  - Aren't you precious.  flvegan   Jan-26-10 07:36 PM   #31 
  - Of course you do. You also think it's a grand idea to mutilate the genitals of little girls  Lorien   Jan-27-10 04:52 PM   #91 
     - WTF?  redqueen   Jan-27-10 05:34 PM   #100 
  - Should stop this if taking resources from the other relief efforts...  JCMach1   Jan-26-10 06:50 AM   #10 
  - How would veterinarians and animal experts making sure  sabrina 1   Jan-26-10 07:18 AM   #12 
     - Like I said as long as it doesn't get in the way of human relief...  JCMach1   Jan-26-10 07:51 AM   #13 
        - In my opinion, such efforts are only justified when there is no need for more  Hosnon   Jan-26-10 11:39 AM   #22 
  - Thank you for the post  EnlightenedOne   Jan-26-10 09:04 AM   #14 
  - Thank you ~ n/t  sabrina 1   Jan-26-10 10:53 AM   #17 
  - K & R !!!!  shireen   Jan-26-10 09:15 AM   #15 
  - K&R. Sorry the Holier-Than-Thou crowd is pissing on your post.  Ignis   Jan-26-10 01:23 PM   #25 
  - Thanks, it reminds me of the decision from during  sabrina 1   Jan-26-10 01:34 PM   #26 
  - sabrina, I am with you.  roguevalley   Jan-26-10 07:36 PM   #30 
  - Thank you, roguevalley.  sabrina 1   Jan-26-10 11:57 PM   #40 
  - I thought it had been decided after Katrina, too.  Ignis   Jan-26-10 07:54 PM   #35 
     - Some very nice posts in that thread. I don't understand  sabrina 1   Jan-26-10 10:27 PM   #37 
        - Charming, aren't they?  Ignis   Jan-27-10 02:08 PM   #66 
        - Bingo. nt  Lorien   Jan-27-10 04:56 PM   #95 
  - +1  redqueen   Jan-27-10 03:15 PM   #81 
  - Amen. And the fact is that those who have no compassion for animals never show any real  Lorien   Jan-27-10 04:55 PM   #92 
  - Posts like this never fail to draw DU's finest speciesist assholes.  flvegan   Jan-26-10 07:59 PM   #36 
  - I was just about to post that the usual self-righteous fuckwittery  The Velveteen Ocelot   Jan-26-10 10:33 PM   #39 
  - Yes, I don't get why people feel you can't do both. People are  sabrina 1   Jan-27-10 12:02 AM   #41 
  - Actually, I think this situation is pretty close to a zero-sum game. The reports haven't been:  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 08:53 AM   #47 
     - So, is poverty a more important issue than GLBT rights?  Ignis   Jan-27-10 11:31 AM   #55 
        - Not at all.  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 01:58 PM   #59 
           - You've provided ZERO support for your assertion.  Ignis   Jan-27-10 02:16 PM   #67 
              - Wow - this from the poster who accused me of using a straw man.  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 02:27 PM   #72 
                 - Generalizations =/= specifics. Guesswork =/= facts.  Ignis   Jan-27-10 02:30 PM   #73 
                 - To begin, the animal aid workers aren't causing any problems because they know they are secondary  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 02:37 PM   #74 
                    - Great news! So please explain posts # 24, 42, etc. (nt)  Ignis   Jan-27-10 02:47 PM   #77 
                       - I wasn't aware that the situation had improved. But it was the facts on the ground  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 03:08 PM   #78 
                          - Have you re-read what you posted in # 24? (nt)  Ignis   Jan-27-10 03:13 PM   #80 
                             - Yep. nt.  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 03:35 PM   #85 
                                - So you stand by this post, then?  Ignis   Jan-27-10 04:46 PM   #90 
                                   - You're right. At the time I posted that, I had read over the fact that the group was not yet  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 05:21 PM   #98 
                                      - That's big of you. No sarcasm implied. (nt)  Ignis   Jan-27-10 05:26 PM   #99 
                                         - Thanks.  Hosnon   Jan-27-10 05:53 PM   #104 
                 - The animal rescue people are not coming in through the airport  sabrina 1   Jan-27-10 06:38 PM   #106 
  - Thanks for this post. It is possible to help people and the animals. nt  CBR   Jan-27-10 08:51 AM   #46 
  - K&R  gizmonic   Jan-27-10 09:25 AM   #48 
  - Reducing suffering and disease among the animals will benefit the humans too. Kudos.  Maru Kitteh   Jan-27-10 09:28 AM   #49 
  - +1  onestepforward   Jan-27-10 04:56 PM   #93 
  - Thank you ~  sabrina 1   Jan-27-10 06:41 PM   #107 
  - I am going to send money to help animals in Haiti  Bryn   Jan-27-10 10:26 AM   #51 
  - Done!  Bryn   Jan-27-10 10:37 AM   #52 
  - Now, you made me cry ~  sabrina 1   Jan-27-10 06:44 PM   #108 
  - I'm sorry but PEOPLE before dogs.  ddeclue   Jan-27-10 01:59 PM   #60 
  - +1 nt  piedmont   Jan-27-10 02:03 PM   #64 
  - Where was a contrary view expressed in the OP?  Ignis   Jan-27-10 02:21 PM   #69 
     - There wasn't one,  pecwae   Jan-27-10 03:19 PM   #82 
  - This really shows what Americans think of Haitians  AngryAmish   Jan-27-10 02:01 PM   #61 
  - Who said that Haitians are "Less worthy of help than dogs?"  Ignis   Jan-27-10 02:23 PM   #71 
  - Wasting your time.  flvegan   Jan-27-10 03:20 PM   #83 
     - Quixotically speaking, I agree.  Ignis   Jan-27-10 07:37 PM   #111 
        - I commend you, most certainly.  flvegan   Jan-27-10 08:10 PM   #114 
  - Oh FFS. (nt)  redqueen   Jan-27-10 03:20 PM   #84 
  - Yes, of course. We all think Haitians are less than dogs because they're black.  The Velveteen Ocelot   Jan-27-10 06:35 PM   #105 
     - Every time people talk about going in to save the animals you  leftyladyfrommo   Jan-28-10 09:31 AM   #115 
  - and Haiti's children:  amborin   Jan-27-10 04:56 PM   #94 
  - Wow, did people reading this article miss the part about saving farm animals?  Starry Messenger   Jan-27-10 05:18 PM   #97 
 

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