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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 06:07 PM
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39. Budget items are what the VP's Instruction says are budget items - you haven't disproven that
Yes, no doubt there are going be lots of Objections, but the fact remains that unless 60 Senators agree that an item is "extraneous" under the Byrd rule, the item will be referred to committee for reconciliation with the House Bill. There's a lot of elastic meaning about what's a budget item, and what isn't, and the VP has a lot of room to craft the Bill he wants.

What you're talking about is capitulating to those who put together the current Senate Bill that is unacceptable. If you are indeed correct, and there aren't 51 votes in the Senate to change that Bill, then HCR is dead. If there aren't 51 votes to substantially change the Bill, what's the point of doing an uncontested budget reconciliation, unless you're going to accept the appropriations in the Senate Bill unchanged?

If the House goes ahead and passes that Bill with no binding commitment for specific changes, then the Democratic majority is dead. By my lights, I'd rather sustain the majority and try again than to swallow a poison pill.
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  -60 Votes It Was Always Bullshit - Jane Hamsher/FDL WillyT  Jan-25-10 02:06 PM   #0 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Jan-25-10 02:07 PM   #1 
  - "It was always bullshit"  NJmaverick   Jan-25-10 02:08 PM   #2 
  - +1  azmouse   Jan-25-10 02:09 PM   #4 
  - Your logic is almost irresistible.  Bolo Boffin   Jan-25-10 02:09 PM   #5 
  - +10  Fire1   Jan-25-10 02:23 PM   #9 
  - Then why don't you start a blog that gets over a million hits a day?  Missy Vixen   Jan-25-10 02:37 PM   #14 
  - Free Republic gets a million hits a day, doesn't make any of the posts over there  NJmaverick   Jan-25-10 02:39 PM   #16 
  - Again. You can't aspire to that standard, can you?  Missy Vixen   Jan-25-10 02:42 PM   #17 
     - First off you are playing as fast and loose with the facts as Jane does  NJmaverick   Jan-25-10 03:07 PM   #21 
        - Oh, my GOD. I got the visitors' count wrong!  Missy Vixen   Jan-25-10 03:15 PM   #27 
        - You can't laugh off a factor of 100  NJmaverick   Jan-25-10 03:19 PM   #28 
        - I believe you are reporting on FDL's traffic rank not "hits a day".  Luminous Animal   Jan-25-10 05:32 PM   #36 
        - *SNORT* Alexa? SERIOUSLY?  Occulus   Jan-25-10 06:14 PM   #40 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-25-10 03:13 PM   #25 
     - That was fucking nasty and mean  Generator   Jan-25-10 06:24 PM   #43 
     - "nasty and mean", and incredibly ignorant and defamatory.  inna   Jan-25-10 07:02 PM   #58 
     - How has she "sold out" to Norquist and the teabaggers?  Luminous Animal   Jan-25-10 06:40 PM   #47 
     - I feel very sorry for you. nt  rudy23   Jan-25-10 06:46 PM   #53 
  - DLCers hate Hamsher b/c she speaks the truth; not DLC memes n/t  amborin   Jan-25-10 04:58 PM   #34 
  - They can't speak outside of DLC memes. You won't see one anti-Jane statement you won't see 50 times  rudy23   Jan-25-10 06:42 PM   #50 
     - yes, exactly, lots  amborin   Jan-25-10 08:48 PM   #65 
     - Rahmbucks!  dflprincess   Jan-25-10 09:54 PM   #69 
        - Please do! nt  rudy23   Jan-26-10 09:22 AM   #76 
  - Until she writes something nice about Obama.  donco6   Jan-25-10 06:40 PM   #46 
  - -1,000  inna   Jan-25-10 06:59 PM   #57 
  - Do you have something of value to say, like maybe  sabrina 1   Jan-26-10 05:49 AM   #74 
  - Yep. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Jan-25-10 02:09 PM   #3 
  - love your avatar.  inna   Jan-25-10 09:40 PM   #67 
  - Yeah.  Joanne98   Jan-25-10 02:17 PM   #6 
  - Just like "we've gotta pass the Senate Bill to get reconciliation" is the latest BS  leveymg   Jan-25-10 02:19 PM   #7 
  - Different reconciliation  bain_sidhe   Jan-25-10 03:22 PM   #29 
     - Look it up. That's reconciliation.  leveymg   Jan-25-10 04:34 PM   #32 
        - I have already explained it to you once  bain_sidhe   Jan-25-10 04:55 PM   #33 
           - Budget items are what the VP's Instruction says are budget items - you haven't disproven that  leveymg   Jan-25-10 06:07 PM   #39 
              - They would defer to the Senate parliamentarian to determine if the Byrd Rule  tritsofme   Jan-25-10 07:32 PM   #64 
                 - Why defer to the Parliamentarian? Only if the other side has 60 votes to support an objection.  leveymg   Jan-26-10 05:41 AM   #73 
  - Jane's serving Norquist's agenda quite well. K&U  berni_mccoy   Jan-25-10 02:20 PM   #8 
  - Obama and Rahm are serving Norquist and the Corporate interests  Larkspur   Jan-25-10 02:24 PM   #10 
  - LMFAO!  berni_mccoy   Jan-25-10 02:27 PM   #11 
  - Sounds like Obama is working FOR him. And Jack Abramoff.  Dr.Phool   Jan-25-10 02:33 PM   #12 
  - Oops Double post..  Dr.Phool   Jan-25-10 02:36 PM   #13 
     - It doesn't hurt. I tdoesn't make it true either.  WonderGrunion   Jan-25-10 03:14 PM   #26 
  - Bingo. nt  Lorien   Jan-25-10 05:34 PM   #37 
  - Jane's trying to point out the truth  Missy Vixen   Jan-25-10 02:38 PM   #15 
  - Anybody who associates with treasonous folk like /norquist don't deserve to be heard.  live love laugh   Jan-25-10 06:24 PM   #44 
     - Oh yeah, because you can't have POPULIST bipartisanship, only CORPORATE bipartisanship.  rudy23   Jan-25-10 06:45 PM   #51 
     - Then you will have to shut these liberals out, too.  Luminous Animal   Jan-25-10 06:56 PM   #56 
     - Who the fuck left you in charge..  DisgustedInMN   Jan-26-10 07:54 AM   #75 
        - Uhhhhh OK. Stress much? nt  live love laugh   Jan-26-10 12:29 PM   #78 
  - Can you explain, specifically, how pushing the Public Option is "serving Norquist's agenda"?  jgraz   Jan-25-10 04:14 PM   #31 
  - * cricket noise * cricket noise * cricket noise * cricket noise * cricket noise *  jgraz   Jan-25-10 05:00 PM   #35 
  - Whereas Obama is cool with a bipartisan panel to evaluate "entitlements" and some say nothing  JVS   Jan-25-10 06:41 PM   #49 
  - And just what is Norquist's agenda that Jane is serving?  Luminous Animal   Jan-25-10 06:41 PM   #48 
  - They have no idea. It's a talking point, they know nothing past that.  rudy23   Jan-25-10 06:46 PM   #52 
     - Yep. It is pathetic the amount of energy that is expended towards  Luminous Animal   Jan-25-10 07:06 PM   #60 
  - As others have asked please explain - also Hamsher on signing the letter with Norquist...  slipslidingaway   Jan-25-10 06:47 PM   #54 
  - yet Obama and his admin seem to Embrace the economics Norquist Espouses  fascisthunter   Jan-25-10 07:03 PM   #59 
  - what an ignorant and idiotic comment.  inna   Jan-25-10 09:42 PM   #68 
  - Crickets!!!!!! n/t  slipslidingaway   Jan-26-10 06:18 PM   #82 
  - Are the lies that this Hamsher character tell made out of ignorance or malice?  tritsofme   Jan-25-10 02:46 PM   #18 
  - both  NJmaverick   Jan-25-10 03:09 PM   #23 
  - The bill in it's current form is a nightmare that the non-elite can't afford. nt  Lorien   Jan-25-10 05:36 PM   #38 
     - Well I think your assessment is garbage.  tritsofme   Jan-25-10 06:20 PM   #41 
        - It takes 51 votes. It has always taken 51 votes to pass a bill in the Senate.  Luminous Animal   Jan-25-10 06:49 PM   #55 
           - Bush needed to make his tax cuts sunset because they were passed through reconciliation.  tritsofme   Jan-25-10 07:12 PM   #61 
              - Nope. Tax cuts sunsets to avoid the Byrd rule by staying within PAYGO restrictions.  Luminous Animal   Jan-25-10 07:29 PM   #63 
  - K&R  peace frog   Jan-25-10 02:58 PM   #19 
  - kick  valerief   Jan-25-10 03:01 PM   #20 
  - Hey, what do you know? The chess brigade was right!  Marr   Jan-25-10 03:08 PM   #22 
  - Democrats had 60 votes, liberals did not.  WonderGrunion   Jan-25-10 03:11 PM   #24 
  - lol... like in Massachusetts right?  fascisthunter   Jan-25-10 07:13 PM   #62 
  - You enjoyed saying that part about "the fewer votes THEY will have." didn't you Grunion?  bertman   Jan-25-10 10:27 PM   #70 
  - In fact...  blindpig   Jan-25-10 03:27 PM   #30 
  - Jane Hamsher  howaboutme   Jan-25-10 06:23 PM   #42 
  - knr - also signed the petition at the bottom of the link n/t  slipslidingaway   Jan-25-10 06:38 PM   #45 
  - K & R  democracy1st   Jan-25-10 08:56 PM   #66 
  - I'm with Jane on this. Petition signed. Rec. nt  bertman   Jan-25-10 10:28 PM   #71 
  - K&R for Jane and Firedoglake.  bvar22   Jan-25-10 11:09 PM   #72 
  - K & R  Ganja Ninja   Jan-26-10 09:26 AM   #77 
  - The 'This or Nothing' BS claim  GinaMaria   Jan-26-10 01:04 PM   #79 
  - Jane is Right - Three Cheers for Her and a Big Kilo Romeo  swilton   Jan-26-10 01:23 PM   #80 
  - They have hammered the 60 votes thing so much that  Politicub   Jan-26-10 01:30 PM   #81 

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