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Jokerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #167
197. My thoughts exactly.
He is on record as saying the public school system is a failure and any money spent there is wasted.
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  -National Teacher of the Year tells what he overheard as a fly on the wall madfloridian  Jan-24-10 11:44 AM   #0 
  - That's a bit rich  WolverineDG   Jan-24-10 11:53 AM   #1 
  - Because it doesn't pay diddly-squat, and they prefer money and power. nt  Hekate   Jan-24-10 11:58 AM   #4 
  - I had to hear ignorant supervisors tell me to be "a guide on the side, not a sage on the stage."  WinkyDink   Jan-24-10 01:42 PM   #54 
  - I spent 6 years in the classroom  WolverineDG   Jan-24-10 01:49 PM   #57 
     - Good post. Can't rule without an uninformed dumbed down citizenry  bjobotts   Jan-24-10 08:38 PM   #114 
        - Ex-govs. think u must be trained to be a Dr. but anyone can teach. Idiots to idots  bjobotts   Jan-24-10 08:40 PM   #116 
  - everybody is an expert on education because they were in fifth grade  roguevalley   Jan-24-10 10:23 PM   #137 
  - I would love to ask any of the idjits there about their own education.  dixiegrrrrl   Jan-24-10 11:54 AM   #2 
  - "Traditional education" is the only method that works  anonymous171   Jan-24-10 11:55 AM   #3 
  - What those kids for whom "traditional education" doesn't work?  TrogL   Jan-25-10 12:47 PM   #196 
     - Such as...?  tonysam   Jan-25-10 12:53 PM   #200 
        - I think we're referring to stupid kids.  smoogatz   Jan-25-10 06:34 PM   #213 
  - As I watch my local district move into 21st century learning  Robb   Jan-24-10 11:59 AM   #5 
  - Oh, yeh, Robb..must be so hard for them poor idjit teachers.  madfloridian   Jan-24-10 12:01 PM   #7 
  - It *is* complicated.  Robb   Jan-24-10 12:21 PM   #20 
  - Education is complicated, Robb. It requires depths of ability...  madfloridian   Jan-24-10 12:26 PM   #24 
  - I addressed funding in my post.  Robb   Jan-24-10 12:28 PM   #26 
  - Your attitude toward teachers shows in more than words..  madfloridian   Jan-24-10 12:47 PM   #33 
     - Well, then I guess I've grossly misrepresented myself to you.  Robb   Jan-24-10 01:38 PM   #48 
  - technology in schools  abelenkpe   Jan-24-10 05:22 PM   #91 
     - You might.........  rucognizant   Jan-25-10 07:02 AM   #155 
        - Agreed.  abelenkpe   Jan-25-10 11:01 AM   #177 
  - You are wrong, Rob. The basics in education are the same now as t hey were when I was in elementary  1monster   Jan-24-10 10:06 PM   #133 
  - I didn't think he was being condescending at all.  kurtzapril4   Jan-24-10 04:39 PM   #85 
  - "rife with misunderstanding and resentment"....it's called privatizing.  madfloridian   Jan-24-10 12:02 PM   #10 
  - Read my post again  Robb   Jan-24-10 12:22 PM   #21 
     - "Many adopt technologies quickly, to the benefit of their students.  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-24-10 01:29 PM   #43 
        - Hardly.  Robb   Jan-24-10 01:39 PM   #50 
           - You are assuming "many" teachers do not use technology effectively  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-24-10 01:42 PM   #55 
              - Our district has an incredibly well-funded ed tech program  Robb   Jan-24-10 01:55 PM   #60 
              - Sorry. I am not clear here. Are you a teacher? Work in a district?  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-24-10 02:32 PM   #66 
                 - How come condescending posts on teachers, welfare etc. come from folks in system who are doing WELL?  Leopolds Ghost   Jan-24-10 03:09 PM   #68 
                    - Well, there are a lot of technology grants available  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-24-10 03:44 PM   #76 
              - Sorry, but some teachers are VERY bad at adopting technologies.  stopbush   Jan-25-10 11:48 AM   #186 
                 - Technologies aren't the be-all end-all of education  tonysam   Jan-25-10 11:56 AM   #190 
                    - And neither is the opposite side of the coin a panacea.  stopbush   Jan-25-10 12:45 PM   #195 
  - What new skills do teachers need to teach students?  anonymous171   Jan-24-10 12:02 PM   #11 
  - I tend to agree with you. Teaching reading is a true skill..  madfloridian   Jan-24-10 12:12 PM   #17 
  - so true  shellgame26   Jan-24-10 10:06 PM   #132 
  - I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you....  sense   Jan-25-10 11:54 AM   #189 
  - Sympatico, and well said  C_Lawyer09   Jan-24-10 12:21 PM   #19 
  - "Most tech is a waste of money in my experience."  Robb   Jan-24-10 12:23 PM   #22 
  - Tech = Smartboards, laptops, expensive video projectors, etc.  anonymous171   Jan-24-10 12:32 PM   #27 
     - Were you ever properly trained in *using* any of that tech?  Robb   Jan-24-10 12:36 PM   #29 
     - I know educated adults who cannot do basic math without a calculator. What's with that? I agree  bertman   Jan-24-10 01:04 PM   #35 
     - Actually having been trained to use that tech  MadHound   Jan-24-10 01:04 PM   #36 
     - I disagree nearly completely with you on this, Friend  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-24-10 01:40 PM   #53 
     - You see no irony  Robb   Jan-24-10 01:45 PM   #56 
     - "what we're teaching students in many cases is not information, but rather how to find information"  laughingliberal   Jan-24-10 01:55 PM   #61 
     - I think that's about right.  JoeyT   Jan-24-10 03:20 PM   #71 
        - Are you trying to say that you CAN'T see Russia from Alaska? nt  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-24-10 05:17 PM   #90 
        - You can't see it from Wasilla, anyway  jmowreader   Jan-24-10 09:16 PM   #122 
        - Course not!  JoeyT   Jan-25-10 11:21 PM   #222 
        - Yes, accessing information is one thing but it does not teach discernment or, as you mentioned,  laughingliberal   Jan-24-10 08:56 PM   #120 
     - My local school district spent literally millions of dollars  tonysam   Jan-24-10 03:49 PM   #78 
     - I disagree  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-24-10 04:11 PM   #84 
        - I agree with you. I wonder how many of the posters poo-pooing technologies  stopbush   Jan-25-10 11:52 AM   #188 
           - As a parent, which would you rather have--  smoogatz   Jan-25-10 12:53 PM   #199 
              - False choice. Even from a strict dollar perspective, those aren't equal. nt  Robb   Jan-25-10 01:57 PM   #201 
              - Why? Because smaller classes with good teachers aren't "cost effective?"  smoogatz   Jan-25-10 02:33 PM   #206 
                 - No, it's that you assume math that is not in existence.  Robb   Jan-25-10 03:25 PM   #209 
                    - How much is a good, old-fashioned whiteboard?  smoogatz   Jan-25-10 06:45 PM   #214 
                       - Fine.  Robb   Jan-25-10 07:54 PM   #217 
              - Another black and white set of "options."  stopbush   Jan-25-10 02:03 PM   #203 
              - The point is that all the money currently being squandered on gadgetry  smoogatz   Jan-25-10 02:27 PM   #205 
              - 10-15 kids in a class  abelenkpe   Jan-25-10 05:14 PM   #212 
     - I completely agree with you, Madhound  Democrat_in_Houston   Jan-24-10 08:19 PM   #111 
     - A huge difference? Any evidence  Karmadillo   Jan-24-10 01:23 PM   #41 
     - I'm a software developer, and I think most classroom tech is probably wasted  MH1   Jan-24-10 01:52 PM   #59 
     - Technology is needed in classrooms...  YvonneCa   Jan-24-10 10:21 PM   #136 
     - Since 1989  abelenkpe   Jan-25-10 11:23 AM   #181 
     - What evidence can you provide  smoogatz   Jan-25-10 07:49 PM   #216 
        - Here, this should help.  Robb   Jan-25-10 07:56 PM   #218 
           - Aren't you cute.  smoogatz   Jan-25-10 09:14 PM   #220 
     - And when you went home, what technology was there?  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-24-10 01:34 PM   #45 
     - I'm fairly young (23.) I experienced public schools' obsession with technology  anonymous171   Jan-24-10 01:49 PM   #58 
        - +1, well said. I went to both public and private schools as well.  Mithreal   Jan-24-10 02:26 PM   #64 
        - If you can't teach with just a chalkboard ... you can't teach.  eppur_se_muova   Jan-24-10 03:27 PM   #73 
           - +1 - Solutions in search of a problem. LOL  Democrat_in_Houston   Jan-24-10 08:21 PM   #112 
           - And a competent teacher learns how to use technology and uses it  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-24-10 09:17 PM   #123 
              - *ASSUMING* teaching with the technology is better than without.  eppur_se_muova   Jan-25-10 01:14 AM   #145 
                 - Well I am a teacher and I know it's true  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-25-10 06:48 AM   #154 
     - Bravo!  nikto   Jan-24-10 05:15 PM   #89 
        - ARGH!!!  chervilant   Jan-25-10 12:12 AM   #143 
           - Here's the best part:  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-25-10 11:24 AM   #182 
  - tech should be the means to an end, not the end itself  Retrograde   Jan-24-10 01:39 PM   #49 
     - I'm a college teacher but  NJCher   Jan-24-10 09:58 PM   #130 
  - It's now known that there are different ways children learn  WolverineDG   Jan-24-10 12:11 PM   #16 
  - Again  Robb   Jan-24-10 12:24 PM   #23 
  - Again, see #43. You can own this or clean it up.....  vanlassie   Jan-24-10 08:05 PM   #109 
  - Yes, but different learning styles is NOT the whole story. There ARE differences and SIMILARITIES.  patrice   Jan-24-10 01:23 PM   #42 
  - True, but it has been "now known" for decades.  Mithreal   Jan-24-10 06:12 PM   #97 
  - "21st century learning" is not just about technology.  LWolf   Jan-24-10 12:17 PM   #18 
  - I think I mentioned the funding aspect  Robb   Jan-24-10 12:26 PM   #25 
  - I think it's because  LWolf   Jan-24-10 02:29 PM   #65 
  - Nailed it! I feel bad, but that's exactly why I'm out of it now.  patrice   Jan-24-10 01:30 PM   #44 
  - Could you illustrate some of the specific differences in how "they" learn today compared to how they  patrice   Jan-24-10 01:07 PM   #37 
  - Students DO learn the same as they did 20 years ago, or 200, or 2000  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-24-10 05:07 PM   #87 
  - I think they learn the same way. We are just learning more about the way they learn n/t  RayOfHope   Jan-24-10 06:09 PM   #96 
  - Have any links or actual facts to back up that statement?  Zoeisright   Jan-24-10 08:24 PM   #113 
  - You seem rather cocksure in your response.  treygoba66   Jan-24-10 09:46 PM   #128 
  - My experience says you are wrong.  gristy   Jan-24-10 08:43 PM   #117 
  - The basics upon which more complex subjects are explored has remained the same since before Plato.  olegramps   Jan-25-10 06:14 AM   #151 
  - This is actually the perfect response  Robb   Jan-25-10 07:45 AM   #160 
     - +1  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-25-10 08:33 AM   #164 
     - To tell you the truth I really don't understand your response.  olegramps   Jan-25-10 09:15 AM   #165 
  - "They don't learn the same as they did 20 years ago, period."  smoogatz   Jan-25-10 11:09 AM   #179 
  - lol  BolivarianHero   Jan-25-10 11:09 AM   #180 
  - I agree. I have two kids in public schools right now (7th & 11th grade)  stopbush   Jan-25-10 11:39 AM   #185 
     - If we hired more/better teachers  smoogatz   Jan-25-10 12:50 PM   #198 
        - Repealing NCLB is good. The rest of your post is BS.  stopbush   Jan-25-10 02:08 PM   #204 
           - I totally have kids in the public schools.  smoogatz   Jan-25-10 02:38 PM   #207 
  - Damned well said! Thanks for sharing this.  11 Bravo   Jan-24-10 12:01 PM   #6 
  - It's astonishing what passes for "serious consideration" these  annabanana   Jan-24-10 12:01 PM   #8 
  - What is the name...  The Backlash Cometh   Jan-24-10 12:02 PM   #9 
  - Imagine the superb system we'd have if it were  LWolf   Jan-24-10 12:03 PM   #12 
  - "Teacherless classroom"???  donco6   Jan-24-10 12:07 PM   #13 
  - Something that made sense to me  C_Lawyer09   Jan-24-10 12:08 PM   #14 
  - It may not be completely that way. But -  donco6   Jan-24-10 12:11 PM   #15 
     - I know you're a principal, but the principals are getting that way.  tonysam   Jan-24-10 03:54 PM   #79 
  - I have taught  Warpy   Jan-24-10 12:33 PM   #28 
  - Right! "...grow up without learning HOW to work on anything..."  patrice   Jan-24-10 01:40 PM   #52 
  - Policy vs. Reality  FirstLight   Jan-24-10 12:37 PM   #30 
  - The People Buying the White Papers  NashVegas   Jan-24-10 12:45 PM   #32 
  - I miss the classroom.  Jakes Progress   Jan-24-10 12:43 PM   #31 
  - What the hell does 21st Century teaching mean?  Jakes Progress   Jan-24-10 01:35 PM   #47 
     - All one has to do is pick up a McGuffy Reader from the 19th Century to see that  Lorien   Jan-24-10 03:37 PM   #75 
  - Teachers must be eliminated because they are the ones with first hand knowledge of how much Capital  patrice   Jan-24-10 12:54 PM   #34 
  - I wonder how much has changed in the College classroom  vssmith   Jan-24-10 01:08 PM   #38 
  - I'm a 51 year old college student  kurtzapril4   Jan-24-10 05:39 PM   #93 
  - Much, much, much  devinkay   Jan-24-10 07:17 PM   #103 
  - I call it the U-scan approach to education, and I find it offensive.  jotsy   Jan-24-10 01:10 PM   #39 
  - After reading the entire story, I ended with a definite WTF!  Better Today   Jan-24-10 01:16 PM   #40 
  - Well, who needs teachers.  madfloridian   Jan-24-10 01:59 PM   #62 
  - he didn't get a chance to follow up -- because they left the table. which is the point he's making.  Hannah Bell   Jan-24-10 02:51 PM   #67 
  - Not Surprised  Dinger   Jan-24-10 01:34 PM   #46 
  - damn straight  NJCher   Jan-24-10 10:10 PM   #134 
  - How is 21st-century math different than 20th-century math  MH1   Jan-24-10 01:39 PM   #51 
  - Science marches on, and math with it! Just look at the US Economy, we're growing money from nothin!  Leopolds Ghost   Jan-24-10 03:13 PM   #69 
  - Gotta love your gallows humor!  bobbolink   Jan-24-10 03:17 PM   #70 
  - How can they complain about not using 21st century methods?  LiberalFighter   Jan-25-10 07:24 AM   #157 
  - damn  Mithreal   Jan-24-10 02:19 PM   #63 
  - We need a French revolution.  Joanne98   Jan-24-10 03:23 PM   #72 
  - Mais oui! nt  puebloknot   Jan-24-10 04:06 PM   #83 
  - Just a parents perspective...  EmeraldCityGrl   Jan-24-10 06:23 PM   #98 
  - Encore. nt  valerief   Jan-24-10 08:19 PM   #110 
  - Spending nearly thirty years in the trenches of IT  WeDidIt   Jan-24-10 03:33 PM   #74 
  - K&R nt  maryf   Jan-24-10 03:48 PM   #77 
  - Technology has become the panacea of idiots.  LostInAnomie   Jan-24-10 03:55 PM   #80 
  - Most education ''reform'' is about privatizing and profiting and cutting out the labor part  yurbud   Jan-24-10 04:02 PM   #81 
  - Stream-of-Consciousness response. No time to write an essay today!  puebloknot   Jan-24-10 04:05 PM   #82 
  - Amen, especially to this line:  Kitty Herder   Jan-24-10 05:08 PM   #88 
  - Kitty Herder you are so right  martigras   Jan-24-10 07:04 PM   #101 
  - Agreed. I was fortunate and only attended private or alternative schools that never  Lorien   Jan-24-10 07:19 PM   #105 
  - But sports is the only thing the Pols are interested in when it comes to deciding who gets the money  LiberalFighter   Jan-25-10 07:29 AM   #159 
  - Yeah, I had a teacher who changed my life, alright.  kurtzapril4   Jan-25-10 08:34 PM   #219 
  - How many of those pols don't have assistants that write up their speeches.  LiberalFighter   Jan-25-10 07:27 AM   #158 
  - Everyone should print out five copies of this article.  Reader Rabbit   Jan-24-10 05:04 PM   #86 
  - These are the people who rise with the right -- "know-nothings" . . .  defendandprotect   Jan-24-10 05:23 PM   #92 
  - they know one thing--they want government ed spending to end up in their pockets not teachers  yurbud   Jan-24-10 07:03 PM   #100 
     - You know . . . I've read that there were times when 50% of the Federal Education Budget . . .  defendandprotect   Jan-24-10 07:58 PM   #107 
        - yikes! well, they gave blackwater contracts through the dept. of agriculture  yurbud   Jan-24-10 09:35 PM   #125 
           - Didn't know about that one -- !!!  defendandprotect   Jan-25-10 07:19 PM   #215 
  - what a bunch of dribble the "friends of educators" spoke.  twitomy   Jan-24-10 05:39 PM   #94 
  - All the crap about "teacherless classroom" and "21st century skills"  mudplanet   Jan-24-10 06:03 PM   #95 
  - K&R  pleah   Jan-24-10 06:41 PM   #99 
  - ....  Lorien   Jan-24-10 07:13 PM   #102 
  - Thank you Lorien!  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-24-10 08:56 PM   #119 
  - That is FANTASTIC!!!!!  BrklynLiberal   Jan-24-10 09:36 PM   #126 
  - Thank you. You made me...  YvonneCa   Jan-24-10 10:32 PM   #138 
  - That was great, Lorien!  Enthusiast   Jan-25-10 05:16 AM   #148 
  - Jaycee Dugard seems to have done quite well for her children . . .  DollyM   Jan-24-10 07:19 PM   #104 
  - I often suspect this "teacher(s) of the year" stuff amounts to simulating respect for teachers....  burning rain   Jan-24-10 07:39 PM   #106 
  - 21st century math IS different  thesquanderer   Jan-24-10 08:02 PM   #108 
  - "In the 21st century, a majority of 100 is 60"  madfloridian   Jan-24-10 08:55 PM   #118 
     - or 41  JVS   Jan-25-10 12:10 AM   #142 
        - Yep, 41 will do the trick.  madfloridian   Jan-25-10 12:38 AM   #144 
           - Dang, haven't y'all ever heard of the new field of Situational Math?  piedmont   Jan-25-10 10:11 AM   #171 
  - Famed speaker builder Paul Klipsch  Turbineguy   Jan-24-10 08:39 PM   #115 
  - The schools started "failing" down south  quaker bill   Jan-24-10 09:15 PM   #121 
  - an uneducated populace would be the repukes' fondest dream...  BrklynLiberal   Jan-24-10 09:32 PM   #124 
  - As for parents who complain about the schools their kids go to:  JDPriestly   Jan-24-10 09:39 PM   #127 
  - Recommend  xchrom   Jan-24-10 09:55 PM   #129 
  - As corporations turn our schools into meat grinders, teachers become the gears, or...  Danger Mouse   Jan-24-10 10:03 PM   #131 
  - They must know they are erasing a generation's intellect, and yet can't see how weak minded  jotsy   Jan-24-10 11:43 PM   #141 
  - Don't blame the politicians for once again using a tried and true method.....  winyanstaz   Jan-24-10 10:18 PM   #135 
  - This is AMAZING! Thank you for posting...  YvonneCa   Jan-24-10 10:46 PM   #139 
  - K&R  Greyhound   Jan-24-10 11:17 PM   #140 
  - With an approach like this  Enthusiast   Jan-25-10 04:36 AM   #146 
  - "a teacherless classroom..." Let's shoot for "parentless childhoods" as well.  callous taoboy   Jan-25-10 05:15 AM   #147 
  - Touch  Dinger   Jan-25-10 06:26 AM   #152 
  - We know the longterm goal is privatization. I think that we should beat them at their own game.  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jan-25-10 05:25 AM   #149 
  - Someone is thinking ahead....  midnight   Jan-25-10 05:50 AM   #150 
  - I'd like to know  lazarus   Jan-25-10 06:27 AM   #153 
  - ttt  Blue_Tires   Jan-25-10 07:21 AM   #156 
  - Wheatland HS bans "No Place for Hate" banner and program  ZoeyQ   Jan-25-10 08:10 AM   #161 
  - Wrong url! It's www.WHEATERVILLE.com !  ZoeyQ   Jan-26-10 06:36 PM   #228 
  - I've been teaching at the college level for sixteen years.  smoogatz   Jan-25-10 08:31 AM   #162 
  - "...the vast majority of them don't know shit. "  KansDem   Jan-25-10 09:33 AM   #166 
     - Yep.  smoogatz   Jan-25-10 09:43 AM   #169 
        - I learned a lot from group work in school.  abelenkpe   Jan-25-10 10:38 AM   #175 
           - The person who lets others do the work  smoogatz   Jan-25-10 11:00 AM   #176 
              - Sometimes group work is okay,  tonysam   Jan-25-10 11:59 AM   #191 
  - The objective of the OP is to go to the source  onlyadream   Jan-25-10 08:32 AM   #163 
  - Why do teachers NEED an effing website?  tonysam   Jan-25-10 12:01 PM   #193 
     - really?  onlyadream   Jan-25-10 12:15 PM   #194 
     - You don't NEED it. No teacher needs to waste his or her time  tonysam   Jan-25-10 09:52 PM   #221 
        - I guess we have to agree to disagree  onlyadream   Jan-26-10 06:40 AM   #226 
           - I spent hours talking to parents, hours on the phone....  madfloridian   Jan-26-10 10:07 AM   #227 
     - And we at DU  Robb   Jan-25-10 01:59 PM   #202 
  - I wonder if that "midwest governer" was Mitch Daniels of Indiana.  izzybeans   Jan-25-10 09:34 AM   #167 
  - My thoughts exactly.  Jokerman   Jan-25-10 12:47 PM   #197 
  - OMG K & R  Nikki Stone1   Jan-25-10 09:40 AM   #168 
  - I am amazed that anybody is willing to do the paperwork necessary to teach  pundaint   Jan-25-10 10:04 AM   #170 
  - Private schools, charter schools with only non-union teachers,  kestrel91316   Jan-25-10 10:27 AM   #172 
  - I don't see how it can be stopped, frankly  tonysam   Jan-25-10 10:31 AM   #173 
  - Wow all I could think of is the back scratching of the Congress - It is all about them & money!  1776Forever   Jan-25-10 10:32 AM   #174 
  - I am hoping at least one of the many NYC teacher bloggers  tonysam   Jan-25-10 11:05 AM   #178 
  - so, it seems that children can stay home, learn on the computer  newspeak   Jan-25-10 11:26 AM   #183 
  - Privatization is an effort to Cut Pensions  abelenkpe   Jan-25-10 11:38 AM   #184 
  - Is that why countries who have it kick our ass?  akforme   Jan-25-10 04:15 PM   #210 
  - This talk deeply concerns me  newspeak   Jan-25-10 11:51 AM   #187 
  - I went to high school in the 70's  erinlough   Jan-25-10 04:46 PM   #211 
  - Hmmm. My husband is a co-owner of one of these teaching software companies.  krabigirl   Jan-25-10 12:00 PM   #192 
  - a lot of head nodding in that room. Interesting. Thanks for posting  Liberal_in_LA   Jan-25-10 02:48 PM   #208 
  - WCBS-TV tonight had a report on NYC's rubber rooms  tonysam   Jan-25-10 11:24 PM   #223 
     - Wow!  onpatrol98   Jan-25-10 11:58 PM   #224 
        - It's not known to many people outside of NYC teachers  tonysam   Jan-26-10 12:03 AM   #225 
 

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