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inthenever Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #8
12. immigration
Edited on Sun Jan-24-10 11:10 AM by inthenever
The problem isn't the 1st generation folks coming in and not learning English. That's typical. Usually, the 2nd generation is fluent. But, what we're currently doing with regards to the illegal influx of Mexicans is not very smart. We, as a nation, have a right to control immigration. It's important that we do so. The rapid influx of illegal Mexicans/Hispanics is fundamentally altering our culture in many areas (e.g., Miami). Further, it places strain on our educational and healthcare systems. It changes our political landscape. Some of these changes are for the better (e.g., access to good Mexican food!). Some are for the worse. The point is, we need reform that stems the flow of illegals into the country, re-establishes our immigration laws so that it is both fair for those who want to come here and fair for those that already here. It is the black market that brings illegals into the country, a black market that subverts all of those labor protections that have been fought for over the years.
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  -I just demolished a Freeper-type on immigration. Archae  Jan-24-10 09:48 AM   #0 
  - I hope the idiot's head exploded.  niyad   Jan-24-10 09:55 AM   #1 
  - +1  conscious evolution   Jan-24-10 10:06 AM   #2 
  - no sense of history, no sense of now...stupid is as stupid does  spanone   Jan-24-10 10:13 AM   #3 
  - I tell them my ancestors had to sneak in the country because they couldn't afford to come legally  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-24-10 10:14 AM   #4 
  - Yeah, same here with one of my great grandfathers.  sarge43   Jan-24-10 10:19 AM   #5 
  - The second generation always knows English, too  treestar   Jan-24-10 10:26 AM   #6 
  - Ellis Island was opened as an immigration portal in 1892.  sarge43   Jan-24-10 10:45 AM   #9 
  - I believe it's fairly simple to prove  verges   Jan-24-10 10:48 AM   #10 
     - Extremely...  Chan790   Jan-24-10 11:45 AM   #30 
  - I'd have asked if he could speak Apache, Bella Bella or Cherokee.  Kalyke   Jan-24-10 10:31 AM   #7 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-24-10 11:09 AM   #13 
  - And what languages were being spoken  hippywife   Jan-24-10 11:24 AM   #21 
     - Yes. I understand that. . .  inthenever   Jan-24-10 11:31 AM   #24 
        - You're asking the wrong person.  hippywife   Jan-24-10 11:38 AM   #26 
           - pragmatics  inthenever   Jan-24-10 11:48 AM   #33 
              - Pride is not a sensible emotion and  hippywife   Jan-24-10 11:56 AM   #35 
                 - prides, beacons, and the world  inthenever   Jan-24-10 11:59 AM   #36 
                    - Apparently you haven't stopped to ask yourself  hippywife   Jan-24-10 12:11 PM   #38 
                       - truth, relativism, and existence  inthenever   Jan-24-10 01:59 PM   #39 
                          - They don't need to be compatible  hippywife   Jan-24-10 02:08 PM   #40 
                             - I disagree  inthenever   Jan-24-10 02:14 PM   #41 
                                - Oooh! I made a typo. Unheard of on the internet, isn't it?  hippywife   Jan-24-10 03:05 PM   #45 
                                   - A typo, but it shifted meaning, so I clarified. ..  inthenever   Jan-24-10 03:17 PM   #48 
                                      - And I have yet to see this as the rule rather than the exception  hippywife   Jan-24-10 03:42 PM   #50 
                                      - scary white men?  inthenever   Jan-24-10 03:54 PM   #51 
                                         - Because at this point  hippywife   Jan-24-10 04:03 PM   #52 
                                            - intolerance?  inthenever   Jan-24-10 04:17 PM   #54 
                                      - Besides from ignoring the ambivalency of Thomas Jefferson regarding slavery,  Call Me Wesley   Jan-24-10 05:01 PM   #59 
                                         - Thomas Jefferson, applying morality from one era to another, and strawmen  inthenever   Jan-24-10 05:16 PM   #63 
                                            - Okay, this posting format makes me a bit dizzy, but I'll try ...  Call Me Wesley   Jan-24-10 05:43 PM   #67 
                                               - Replies and such  inthenever   Jan-24-10 05:55 PM   #69 
                                                  - I'm off to bed, ince I'm of a different culture and timezone.  Call Me Wesley   Jan-24-10 06:02 PM   #70 
                                                  - you are debating the self-evident  inthenever   Jan-24-10 06:05 PM   #71 
  - I never understood this argument  jdp349   Jan-24-10 09:48 PM   #74 
  - I know it may be asking for a bit too much, but I hope you Reply All -ed.  patrice   Jan-24-10 10:33 AM   #8 
  - immigration  inthenever   Jan-24-10 11:07 AM   #12 
  - We don't control those borders  treestar   Jan-24-10 11:15 AM   #16 
  - exploitation  inthenever   Jan-24-10 11:17 AM   #17 
     - I don't mean this as a put-down, but it's like beating and beating and nothing but beating  patrice   Jan-24-10 11:22 AM   #19 
        - Elaborate  inthenever   Jan-24-10 11:25 AM   #22 
           - The cultural adaptations on both sides of the situation are like a  patrice   Jan-24-10 11:42 AM   #28 
              - P.S. Though there are no rewards for learning & growing beyond the problems, there are  patrice   Jan-24-10 11:47 AM   #32 
  - Yes. The problem is things being, in effect, wide open and then the only response most people  patrice   Jan-24-10 11:19 AM   #18 
  - altering our culture in many areas (e.g., Miami)...  Xipe Totec   Jan-24-10 03:04 PM   #44 
     - Miami  inthenever   Jan-24-10 03:07 PM   #46 
        - Miami  Xipe Totec   Jan-24-10 03:16 PM   #47 
           - Miami  inthenever   Jan-24-10 03:20 PM   #49 
              - Florida 2000 Census  Xipe Totec   Jan-24-10 04:37 PM   #55 
                 - Florida is a big state  inthenever   Jan-24-10 04:44 PM   #56 
  - Yes I did.  Archae   Jan-24-10 11:10 AM   #14 
     - Congratulations on your courage!  patrice   Jan-24-10 11:12 AM   #15 
  - Our neighbor when I was in high school  shraby   Jan-24-10 11:02 AM   #11 
  - Did you greatgrandfather's generation demand special taxpayer funded services in German?  tuckessee   Jan-24-10 11:23 AM   #20 
  - um  datasuspect   Jan-24-10 11:46 AM   #31 
  - I believe you can claim pwnership of the previous poster! LOL nt  Lucky Luciano   Jan-24-10 11:55 AM   #34 
  - it's the hate and it's the stupid  datasuspect   Jan-24-10 12:02 PM   #37 
  - you fucking rock!  Kali   Jan-24-10 04:44 PM   #57 
  - Oh noes! Ze Germans!  Call Me Wesley   Jan-24-10 05:06 PM   #62 
  - Why wouldn't an American citizen be given a ballot in their spoken language?  RB TexLa   Jan-24-10 05:20 PM   #64 
  - What amuses me is everybody's ancestors "stood in line" NOT  K8-EEE   Jan-24-10 11:26 AM   #23 
  - "Without papers" is folk etymology.  Brickbat   Jan-24-10 11:39 AM   #27 
  - The trouble with these goobers  Mopar151   Jan-24-10 11:34 AM   #25 
  - There are thousands of stories about immigrants in that era -  lynne   Jan-24-10 11:44 AM   #29 
  - My grandmother and grandfather spoke Flemish. Their little bit of English  B Calm   Jan-24-10 02:22 PM   #42 
  - It seems like lots of European immigrants in the last century never learned  Cleita   Jan-24-10 02:50 PM   #43 
  - Good for you! nt  Cursive   Jan-24-10 04:06 PM   #53 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-24-10 04:50 PM   #58 
  - ROFL!  Call Me Wesley   Jan-24-10 05:03 PM   #60 
  - I really hate France  Kali   Jan-24-10 05:26 PM   #65 
     - Just walk through!  Call Me Wesley   Jan-24-10 05:45 PM   #68 
  - interesting  inthenever   Jan-24-10 05:38 PM   #66 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-24-10 09:31 PM   #72 
        - You must not be fond of anthropologists  inthenever   Jan-24-10 09:44 PM   #73 
           - ...  Kali   Jan-24-10 10:50 PM   #76 
  - If they want to slur Hispanics, how about the people who lived in the SW  csziggy   Jan-24-10 05:06 PM   #61 
  - Maybe some different focus too on the Migra  RedCloud   Jan-24-10 09:50 PM   #75 

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