| -Why focus on Security Rather than Helping Haitians? |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 08:47 AM |
#0 |
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I thought the troops were there to provide aid and not provide security. |
dkf |
Jan-24-10 08:53 AM |
#1 |
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Wait until Doctors without Borders |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 10:01 AM |
#11 |
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I did read the article and it goes opposite of the early reports I heard. |
dkf |
Jan-24-10 10:33 AM |
#14 |
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Not ONLY for security... |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 10:52 AM |
#16 |
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Early reports said it was NO priority. They weren't allowed to provide security. |
dkf |
Jan-24-10 10:57 AM |
#18 |
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One team of Belgian doctors left one hospital because of security concerns |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 11:57 AM |
#30 |
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Oh you didn't hear about the US ships sitting there to keep anyone from escaping? |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-24-10 10:25 AM |
#13 |
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And dismissed it |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 11:06 AM |
#20 |
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Oh, but wasn't that helping? |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 11:16 AM |
#21 |
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No. They were sitting there to catch anyone who tried to leave |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-24-10 01:16 PM |
#45 |
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Baloney |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 01:46 PM |
#46 |
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Where are you getting your information? |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-24-10 01:48 PM |
#47 |
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From a wide variety of sources |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 02:12 PM |
#50 |
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Let's say we post a couple? nt |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 03:32 PM |
#68 |
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Ok |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 09:09 PM |
#128 |
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Except by his own acount, he wasn't the first doctor at the hospital. |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 10:06 PM |
#135 |
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Umm... |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 10:37 PM |
#142 |
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I checked this out and you're right. Evan Lyon didn't get there until Sunday. |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 10:49 PM |
#146 |
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haitians in fact do go to the us in small boats. you haven't been paying attention. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-25-10 11:27 AM |
#163 |
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And thousands die a horrible death at sea doing so. |
TxRider |
Jan-25-10 04:21 PM |
#187 |
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i didn't deny it. but they do go. your contention was, they didn't. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-25-10 04:30 PM |
#191 |
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My contention was I haven't seen any trying to since the earthquake |
TxRider |
Jan-25-10 04:44 PM |
#195 |
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well, they reportedly are. & you didn't specify a time frame anyway. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-25-10 06:26 PM |
#202 |
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I'm sorry, I knew what you meant... |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 03:26 PM |
#62 |
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uh, no, one of the reasons given for the slow pace of us aid was that they were waiting for troops |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-25-10 11:26 AM |
#162 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jan-24-10 08:56 AM |
#2 |
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Without security the strong or cruel brutalize the weak - would you give corporations free reign |
stray cat |
Jan-24-10 09:03 AM |
#3 |
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That is exactly what our government has done in Haiti. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 11:43 AM |
#26 |
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Naive if one thinks all people are basically kind and good to all - particularly without laws |
stray cat |
Jan-24-10 09:05 AM |
#4 |
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If you read the article... |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 09:50 AM |
#9 |
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I did read the article |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 11:23 AM |
#23 |
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Exactly what the elite want all to believe, nt. |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 10:57 AM |
#17 |
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Did you see some of the locals running around with machetes, and not |
babylonsister |
Jan-24-10 09:13 AM |
#5 |
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No, I didn't see that. I saw a few instances of looting. |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 11:44 AM |
#27 |
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You mean you MISSED the machete wileding gang that ran the ICRC |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-24-10 03:29 PM |
#64 |
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Quite true. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jan-24-10 09:54 PM |
#133 |
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Children are disappearing from hospitals |
WolverineDG |
Jan-24-10 11:57 AM |
#31 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jan-24-10 12:17 PM |
#38 |
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"Anti-US Brigade" |
bobbolink |
Jan-24-10 04:23 PM |
#104 |
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Yeah. apparently merely observing the US policy failures on the ground |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 04:25 PM |
#106 |
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Seems like this could possibly be a good use for a Department Of Peace. |
bobbolink |
Jan-24-10 04:28 PM |
#108 |
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With all due respect |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-24-10 04:31 PM |
#110 |
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You're not "observing" "failures" |
WolverineDG |
Jan-24-10 04:34 PM |
#111 |
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Well, no. |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 04:41 PM |
#116 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jan-24-10 04:29 PM |
#109 |
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I don't find that lying, exaggerating, misrepresenting &/or |
WolverineDG |
Jan-25-10 04:00 PM |
#181 |
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i saw one clip of 6 kids with machetes played over & over & over. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-25-10 11:47 AM |
#166 |
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It's pretty difficult to provide food, medical treatment , etc |
LARED |
Jan-24-10 09:28 AM |
#6 |
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Did you read the article?? nt |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 09:49 AM |
#8 |
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Why make overblown false accusations? |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 09:33 AM |
#7 |
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The people going in to help deserve to be reasonably safe |
treestar |
Jan-24-10 09:51 AM |
#10 |
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I thought people would be applauding the obvious people helping people |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 10:23 AM |
#12 |
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Then don't make the title of the post |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 11:04 AM |
#19 |
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I used the title the author used |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 11:18 AM |
#22 |
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And you and the author are incorrect. |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 11:40 AM |
#25 |
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LOL. Everyone is incorrect but the Pentagon according to you. |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 11:46 AM |
#28 |
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Not at all |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 12:16 PM |
#37 |
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So who got the airport back up & running? The Tooth Fairy? nt |
WolverineDG |
Jan-24-10 12:03 PM |
#33 |
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There you go again |
WolverineDG |
Jan-24-10 12:01 PM |
#32 |
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Damned right! Those tanks on the streets of NOLA helped bring about order so VERY well. |
bobbolink |
Jan-24-10 04:25 PM |
#105 |
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So the author reported from Haiti in 2006, is he there now? |
MiniMe |
Jan-24-10 10:49 AM |
#15 |
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Except that isn't really the situation. |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 11:53 AM |
#29 |
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Really |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 12:24 PM |
#40 |
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That's your story. Stick with it. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 12:27 PM |
#41 |
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I have *zip* interest in arguing with repetitive Pentagon talking points. |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 02:42 PM |
#52 |
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Or apparently U.N., Red Cross, Partners in health... |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 02:48 PM |
#53 |
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The Red Cross ran out of supplies 36 hours into the situation. |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 02:57 PM |
#55 |
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Ahh the interview. |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 03:25 PM |
#61 |
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You can't rewrite history no matter how hard you try. |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 03:44 PM |
#82 |
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The only one I see attempting to do that is you... |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-24-10 03:51 PM |
#89 |
| -
Seems your posts are general statements? without much substance? |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 08:02 PM |
#125 |
| -
I prefer to articulate my arguments myself |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-25-10 04:12 AM |
#157 |
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who was it who said |
maryf |
Jan-25-10 05:53 AM |
#158 |
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I don't need to rewrite anything |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 09:38 PM |
#130 |
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DR. EVAN LYON: |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-25-10 11:44 AM |
#165 |
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Please do NOT disturb their erroneous opinions with your FACTS. |
bobbolink |
Jan-25-10 02:07 PM |
#176 |
| -
And your point is? |
TxRider |
Jan-25-10 08:00 PM |
#204 |
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A nuke went off in that city |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-24-10 03:36 PM |
#73 |
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Wrong and you keep repeating this |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-24-10 03:33 PM |
#71 |
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Do you have a non biased link that supports what you are saying? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jan-25-10 04:00 PM |
#182 |
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"autonomously organized distribution of unjustly hoarded goods" |
WillowTree |
Jan-24-10 11:29 AM |
#24 |
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It's hard to justify aid coming in, and then sitting in the airport for days. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Jan-24-10 12:07 PM |
#34 |
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It's terribly simple to justify |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 12:32 PM |
#42 |
| -
That "explanation" didn't address the point. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Jan-24-10 03:08 PM |
#56 |
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What part of heavy lift not available and distribution network |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-24-10 03:25 PM |
#60 |
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And what prevented that same bagful of aid from being delivered before he showed up? |
Waiting For Everyman |
Jan-24-10 03:30 PM |
#66 |
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You want them to distirbute this |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-24-10 03:45 PM |
#83 |
| -
so it's most efficient to wait days for heavy lift equipment v. mobilizing smaller |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-25-10 11:53 AM |
#167 |
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The smaller mobolizing was being done. |
TxRider |
Jan-25-10 04:25 PM |
#188 |
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that's not the impression i get when reading the blogs & interviews of the docs on the ground. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-25-10 04:29 PM |
#190 |
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Nothing |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 04:09 PM |
#92 |
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It actually very clearly addressed the point. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-24-10 03:45 PM |
#84 |
| -
Er, there was no need to build a supply network from scratch |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 03:45 PM |
#85 |
| -
Surely you realize who severely disrupted the networks that existed in Haiti pre-quake were when |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-24-10 03:47 PM |
#87 |
| -
NGO's who were already stretched before the quake |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 04:49 PM |
#118 |
| -
Spin. There was already a network in place. |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 10:25 PM |
#138 |
| -
Your serious? |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 10:48 PM |
#145 |
| -
The word is "you're" . And I have to wonder why you'd go to all the trouble |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 10:54 PM |
#148 |
| -
If the roads were not damaged |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-24-10 11:00 PM |
#150 |
| -
it was reported the second day out that there was "heavy traffic" and many roads were still |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-25-10 11:59 AM |
#168 |
| -
Was also reported that with no electricity there was no fuel |
TxRider |
Jan-25-10 05:08 PM |
#201 |
| -
some kind of contradiction between "no fuel" & "heavy traffic," wouldn't you think? |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-25-10 10:46 PM |
#205 |
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No |
TxRider |
Jan-25-10 11:15 PM |
#206 |
| -
Thanks! |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 03:28 PM |
#63 |
| -
That's a good question, maryf. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Jan-24-10 03:34 PM |
#72 |
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It's remarkable. The very same priorities that we roundly condemned |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 12:13 PM |
#35 |
| -
Because they weren't. |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 12:34 PM |
#43 |
| -
Nope. |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 02:39 PM |
#51 |
| -
Than perhaps you should present your case? n/t |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-24-10 03:41 PM |
#78 |
| -
Different presidents... |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 03:31 PM |
#67 |
| -
Yep. Unless you believe Obama is a super hero |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 03:41 PM |
#79 |
| -
It's one thing to SAY the State Dept. and Pentagon have botched things. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-24-10 03:42 PM |
#81 |
| -
No Amy Goodman is the superhero |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 04:23 PM |
#103 |
| -
What's the frequency, Kenneth? |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 10:36 PM |
#141 |
| -
FM 92.4 MHz and 104.1 MHz and AM 1030 kHz |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 11:08 PM |
#153 |
| -
Which is relevant how, exactly? n/t |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-24-10 03:42 PM |
#80 |
| -
The comparison between Katrina and Haiti |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 03:58 PM |
#90 |
| -
I'm all ears. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-24-10 04:14 PM |
#93 |
| -
Be all eyes and read some articles |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 04:15 PM |
#94 |
| -
I would prefer you articulate your arguments yourself. Or is that asking too much? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-24-10 04:20 PM |
#98 |
| -
I'd rather |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 04:20 PM |
#99 |
| -
Thank you, great piece! Partners in Health is a fantastic outfit! |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 08:05 PM |
#126 |
| -
Your welcome |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 09:51 PM |
#132 |
| -
day 9: |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-25-10 12:06 PM |
#170 |
| -
Unbelievable... |
maryf |
Jan-25-10 06:44 PM |
#203 |
| -
Katrina was the first time, afaik, that an American city was treated |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 04:16 PM |
#95 |
| -
Please, elaborate. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-24-10 04:21 PM |
#101 |
| -
Any large scale disaster will have similarities |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 04:18 PM |
#96 |
| -
You're right. After a week in NOLA, the solution was to bus black people out |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 04:28 PM |
#107 |
| -
ROFL |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 04:41 PM |
#115 |
| -
That's what Barbara Bush said, too. |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 04:43 PM |
#117 |
| -
Yes |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 04:52 PM |
#119 |
| -
That doesn't speak to the unnecessary and wholesale |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 05:35 PM |
#121 |
| -
K&InvisibleR |
leftstreet |
Jan-24-10 12:16 PM |
#36 |
| -
Thanks for reccing... |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 03:21 PM |
#58 |
| -
we are helpling haitians. |
spanone |
Jan-24-10 12:18 PM |
#39 |
| -
Why are people trying to turn Haiti into Obama's Katrina? ....... |
madmom |
Jan-24-10 12:44 PM |
#44 |
| -
If you want an honest answer, I have one. |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 03:10 PM |
#57 |
| -
With all due respect |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-24-10 03:39 PM |
#77 |
| -
No it is not, but you keep repeating that |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-24-10 04:35 PM |
#113 |
| -
Ideology... on the right it is the government cannot do anything right |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-24-10 04:34 PM |
#112 |
| -
Unrec... |
SidDithers |
Jan-24-10 01:50 PM |
#48 |
| -
thank you for your idiotic censorship. |
bobbolink |
Jan-24-10 03:30 PM |
#65 |
| -
Calling an unrec "censorship" even more idiotic...nt |
SidDithers |
Jan-24-10 03:33 PM |
#69 |
| -
You actually made it clear that is exactly what it is. I thank you for that idiotic assessment. |
bobbolink |
Jan-24-10 03:36 PM |
#74 |
| -
You're only digging yourself in deeper, buddy. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-24-10 03:37 PM |
#76 |
| -
How in God's name is that "censorship"? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-24-10 03:33 PM |
#70 |
| -
Nice attempt to highjack the thread with |
whistler162 |
Jan-24-10 04:52 PM |
#120 |
| -
You're welcome. Enjoy your false accusation. Says a lot about you. |
bobbolink |
Jan-25-10 01:58 PM |
#175 |
| -
Perhaps I can help, with a small graph. |
Robb |
Jan-25-10 04:49 PM |
#197 |
| -
unrec'd |
Kaleva |
Jan-24-10 01:54 PM |
#49 |
| -
WHAT??? You want us to put down our FEAR??? |
bobbolink |
Jan-24-10 02:50 PM |
#54 |
| -
People helping people, not fighting... |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 03:24 PM |
#59 |
| -
Considering how there have been some incidents of violence |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-24-10 03:36 PM |
#75 |
| -
the level of violence that we see right now is below pre-earthquake levels. |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 04:04 PM |
#91 |
| -
Considering the lawlessness of the country prior to the quake |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-24-10 04:19 PM |
#97 |
| -
maryf, do you know when our rescue teams hit the ground? |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 04:21 PM |
#100 |
| -
Do you really have numerous people from this thread on ignore? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-24-10 04:22 PM |
#102 |
| -
Thursday |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 04:37 PM |
#114 |
| -
Hi, sorry to be so long, maybe as early as Wednesday... |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 07:56 PM |
#122 |
| -
Thank you very much. |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 07:59 PM |
#123 |
| -
Of Course!! |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 08:01 PM |
#124 |
| -
16 hours into the incident |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-24-10 10:30 PM |
#139 |
| -
Our fear and our slavish credence to every Pentagon fax that comes our way. |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 03:46 PM |
#86 |
| -
I know that SOUNDS really striking, like it gets to the heart of matters |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-24-10 03:48 PM |
#88 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-24-10 08:25 PM |
#127 |
| -
Interesting article |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 09:22 PM |
#129 |
| -
"the immediate need to supply food water and shelter asap |
maryf |
Jan-24-10 09:49 PM |
#131 |
| -
Except the Haitian government is our puppet |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 10:00 PM |
#134 |
| -
Just reporting what the doctor with Partners in Health said |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 10:08 PM |
#136 |
| -
And you're right. He did say that. But the point is, |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 10:10 PM |
#137 |
| -
Point? |
TxRider |
Jan-24-10 10:44 PM |
#143 |
| -
Maybe you should reread my post. |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 10:51 PM |
#147 |
| -
Well, what I assume was once your post is now missing so forgive me for my confusion. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-25-10 04:04 AM |
#155 |
| -
Not under international law |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-24-10 10:32 PM |
#140 |
| -
last time i checked, the us installed preval. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-25-10 12:11 PM |
#171 |
| -
In other words, it didn't matter how the U.S. proceeded |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-25-10 04:03 AM |
#154 |
| -
Of course. |
maryf |
Jan-25-10 05:55 AM |
#159 |
| -
Canadian Troops swarmed at food distribution point |
Merchant Marine |
Jan-24-10 10:46 PM |
#144 |
| -
You guys are hilarious. Why are we only getting these dire reports |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 10:57 PM |
#149 |
| -
Three of those articles are from a canadian newspaper |
Merchant Marine |
Jan-24-10 11:00 PM |
#151 |
| -
I hope the people on the ground stay safe. |
EFerrari |
Jan-24-10 11:07 PM |
#152 |
| -
Well, I think we can all agree there. However, I'm left wondering if you're still disregarding |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Jan-25-10 04:08 AM |
#156 |
| -
It seems rather touch and go |
TxRider |
Jan-25-10 07:43 AM |
#160 |
| -
K&R |
dajoki |
Jan-25-10 07:57 AM |
#161 |
| -
Thanks! |
maryf |
Jan-25-10 04:10 PM |
#184 |
| -
Without security, nothing else is possible. nt. |
Hosnon |
Jan-25-10 11:35 AM |
#164 |
| -
There was no war in Haiti. There was an earthquake. |
EFerrari |
Jan-25-10 01:08 PM |
#172 |
| -
War isn't the only thing that creates a need for security. nt. |
Hosnon |
Jan-25-10 01:25 PM |
#173 |
| -
So, how is all this focus on security working out for us? |
EFerrari |
Jan-25-10 01:54 PM |
#174 |
| -
The title of the OP frames it as either security or aid. The two are connected in that |
Hosnon |
Jan-25-10 03:25 PM |
#177 |
| -
The two should be connected and deployed thoughtfully in tandem |
EFerrari |
Jan-25-10 03:38 PM |
#178 |
| -
I agree they should be deployed together. And the international community should |
Hosnon |
Jan-25-10 03:44 PM |
#179 |
| -
Or, it's inflexible hamfistedness. We've seen reporters wander around |
EFerrari |
Jan-25-10 03:55 PM |
#180 |
| -
I've seen what Americans do to each other over the Christmas toy du jour. |
Hosnon |
Jan-25-10 04:05 PM |
#183 |
| -
The problem is, it's also used as a dodge. |
EFerrari |
Jan-25-10 04:16 PM |
#185 |
| -
Question is |
TxRider |
Jan-25-10 04:43 PM |
#194 |
| -
There was a story here last week, maybe Thursday, about teams (edit) |
EFerrari |
Jan-25-10 04:46 PM |
#196 |
| -
From what I have seen |
TxRider |
Jan-25-10 04:19 PM |
#186 |
| -
Apart from all the stuff you and I disagree on, I'm worried |
EFerrari |
Jan-25-10 04:26 PM |
#189 |
| -
Yes |
TxRider |
Jan-25-10 04:36 PM |
#192 |
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Enlisting existing community networks and putting out a week's rations, |
EFerrari |
Jan-25-10 04:40 PM |
#193 |
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That's what the Military is working towards |
TxRider |
Jan-25-10 04:50 PM |
#198 |
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It's really hard to see grown men begging for work. |
EFerrari |
Jan-25-10 04:57 PM |
#199 |
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BTW |
TxRider |
Jan-25-10 05:06 PM |
#200 |
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because meatheads are in charge |
fascisthunter |
Jan-25-10 11:59 AM |
#169 |
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