| 174. My views on the bill are born of watching |
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people I know die without health insurance. And, witnessing what it's like for a 25 year old type one diabetic to try and get health insurance coverage.
I've heard talk of loopholes, I've not seen any evidence presented. Especially given the bill hasn't been finalized as IF the house passes it, they'll only do so if they can get some things corrected in a reconciliation measure.
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| -Fire Dog Lake: AFL-CIO Poll: Union Members Voted for Brown over Coakley in “Working Class Revolt” |
Omaha Steve |
Jan-22-10 10:57 AM |
#0 |
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Pretty phucking obvious message these voters sent... |
joeybee12 |
Jan-22-10 10:58 AM |
#1 |
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keep flogging that hobbyhorse. The FACT is Coakley was liberal, she just DID NOT CAMPAIGN. |
KittyWampus |
Jan-22-10 10:59 AM |
#2 |
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Oh please. |
dkf |
Jan-22-10 11:03 AM |
#8 |
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yawn..not that we lifelong union members warned about the excise tax.. |
flyarm |
Jan-22-10 11:08 AM |
#13 |
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Precisely |
Me. |
Jan-22-10 11:17 AM |
#28 |
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yeah, but Brown is going to be the gift that keeps on giving |
newspeak |
Jan-22-10 11:23 AM |
#33 |
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NO it's going to help them in the long run by enforcing some God damned party discipline to liberal |
ddeclue |
Jan-22-10 11:26 AM |
#39 |
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You know, Coakley's campaign is the principal reason why she lost, |
Arkana |
Jan-22-10 12:04 PM |
#73 |
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Yeah, OK ... |
Cosmocat |
Jan-23-10 06:29 AM |
#131 |
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And Obama is pro-union exactly how? |
riverdale |
Jan-22-10 01:46 PM |
#99 |
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Yeah, you're really teaching the Democrats a lesson |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:24 AM |
#35 |
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Actually they ARE teaching Obama and the DLC a lesson - take us seriously or lose. |
ddeclue |
Jan-22-10 11:25 AM |
#38 |
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They are only hurting themselves. |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:45 AM |
# |
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When an individual is suffering from a headache |
SOS |
Jan-23-10 02:31 PM |
#164 |
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"What do you mean 'they', iceman?" |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-23-10 10:34 PM |
#169 |
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"They" = any union member who votes Republican. |
iceman66 |
Jan-26-10 11:57 AM |
#190 |
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Unfortunately we ALL lose. |
alstephenson |
Jan-22-10 11:46 AM |
#58 |
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By the same token, the establishment dems aren't playing "good cop/bad cop" too well atm... |
Romulox |
Jan-22-10 11:35 AM |
#50 |
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Plenty of idiots to go around in this |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 11:53 AM |
#64 |
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The problem with this behavior |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 12:03 PM |
#71 |
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Well, I'm not the one you need to convince |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:25 PM |
#90 |
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I don't get it. We vote for them and they act like republicans. |
mmonk |
Jan-26-10 11:04 AM |
#186 |
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They will continue to put their fingers in their ears until everyone disappears |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Jan-22-10 06:52 PM |
#109 |
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READ the OP.. Their vote was a protest vote against OBAMA. It didn't matter what SHE was. |
ddeclue |
Jan-22-10 11:24 AM |
#36 |
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I Wonder What Your Excuse Will Be In November? |
Toasterlad |
Jan-26-10 11:53 AM |
#189 |
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no public option means no union support.... |
Oceansaway |
Jan-22-10 11:00 AM |
#3 |
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There was only one pro-wall street candidate in this race. |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:25 AM |
#37 |
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and there was one candidate in the pockets of the health care industry corporate fuckers, |
flyarm |
Jan-22-10 08:55 PM |
#111 |
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That is about the most idiotic post I've ever seen. |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 09:36 PM |
#117 |
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OH REALLY? do you think the union folks don't know this ..i found it on AFL-CIO message board! |
flyarm |
Jan-22-10 11:08 PM |
#122 |
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OK, you have some issues with the health care bill. i get that. |
iceman66 |
Jan-23-10 05:56 AM |
#130 |
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and you don't? and you can honestly look at this and know Coakley was bought totally by the Health |
flyarm |
Jan-23-10 07:30 AM |
#133 |
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We'll probably never know NOW, |
iceman66 |
Jan-23-10 09:37 AM |
#144 |
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The whole industrialized world drives cadillac health plans |
mdmc |
Jan-23-10 09:55 AM |
#148 |
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This bill, if it had passed,would only have been the first step |
iceman66 |
Jan-23-10 10:07 AM |
#150 |
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this first step would have made my unaffordable medical treatment |
mdmc |
Jan-23-10 10:24 AM |
#152 |
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You are referring to the Senate bill which would have never become law. |
iceman66 |
Jan-23-10 03:50 PM |
#165 |
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actually the health insurance greed bill |
newspeak |
Jan-23-10 01:46 PM |
#159 |
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You're forgetting the reason WHY NAFTA was never revisited - |
iceman66 |
Jan-23-10 03:54 PM |
#166 |
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working people have issues with mandated for profit health insurance |
mdmc |
Jan-23-10 09:51 AM |
#146 |
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Before WHAT election? |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-26-10 02:24 AM |
#181 |
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so, why didn't they vote for Kennedy? |
newspeak |
Jan-23-10 11:59 AM |
#156 |
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Wrong. There were two. n/t |
eridani |
Jan-22-10 10:55 PM |
#120 |
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I don't believe that. |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-26-10 02:26 AM |
#182 |
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Brown was against the public option and if this poll is to be believed unions supported him. |
Telly Savalas |
Jan-23-10 08:10 AM |
#138 |
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it was a Union Protest vote..protest..as in we are not voting for the party that is selling us out.. |
flyarm |
Jan-23-10 08:22 AM |
#142 |
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Well the senate bill tried to screw the unions. |
dkf |
Jan-22-10 11:00 AM |
#4 |
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i don't blame them....n/t |
Oceansaway |
Jan-22-10 11:01 AM |
#5 |
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I blame them. pig shit stupid |
cali |
Jan-22-10 11:05 AM |
#10 |
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selfish ??...they were gonna be raped !!...n/t |
Oceansaway |
Jan-22-10 11:06 AM |
#12 |
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raped????? as someone who was raped, I can't tell you how much |
cali |
Jan-22-10 11:11 AM |
#18 |
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ok....whatever....n/t |
Oceansaway |
Jan-22-10 11:15 AM |
#25 |
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You ain't seen nothing yet. |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:27 AM |
#40 |
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Yeah!!! |
bvar22 |
Jan-22-10 01:21 PM |
#95 |
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+1 !!!!! |
flyarm |
Jan-22-10 09:04 PM |
#113 |
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Basically what it comes down to is that |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 09:41 PM |
#118 |
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No. What it comes down to is THIS: |
bvar22 |
Jan-23-10 01:49 PM |
#160 |
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+2 (n/t) |
area51 |
Jan-22-10 10:09 PM |
#119 |
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+2 |
Retired AF Dem |
Jan-23-10 10:01 AM |
#149 |
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actually I found that quite humorous |
newspeak |
Jan-23-10 01:42 PM |
#158 |
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+1000 |
jeanpalmer |
Jan-23-10 10:57 PM |
#172 |
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oh yeah..because it was the "republicans" that taxed their health care benefits..right? |
flyarm |
Jan-23-10 08:26 AM |
#143 |
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Do you by chance have a preexisting condition? |
dkf |
Jan-22-10 11:12 AM |
#22 |
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no. |
cali |
Jan-22-10 11:14 AM |
#24 |
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What a surprise that you are willing to sacrifice somebody else's interests for your gain! |
Romulox |
Jan-22-10 11:36 AM |
#52 |
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I have a pre-existing condition, and am also in the disposable human garbage category |
eridani |
Jan-22-10 10:57 PM |
#121 |
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no... |
rapturedbyrobots |
Jan-23-10 02:30 AM |
#128 |
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...and the middle working class! ..and keep it up ..and they will sit home in Nov! |
flyarm |
Jan-22-10 11:11 AM |
#20 |
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and they keep heaping scorn on them and calling them "stupid" -well and if they throw us all out |
kenny blankenship |
Jan-22-10 11:22 AM |
#32 |
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It is stupid for union members to vote for Republicans. |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:29 AM |
#42 |
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Go ahead and shove the Senate bill down their throats then if you feel so superior |
kenny blankenship |
Jan-22-10 11:35 AM |
#51 |
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I'm not the one SENDING the country to hell by voting Republican |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:42 AM |
#55 |
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And if the VOTERS disagree about the merits of the bill, you'll just hold them down and ram it?? |
kenny blankenship |
Jan-22-10 12:02 PM |
#70 |
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Union members voting Republican |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 12:06 PM |
#77 |
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Provoking them to voting Republican makes you smarter - how? |
kenny blankenship |
Jan-22-10 12:07 PM |
#78 |
| -
Excuse me? |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 12:12 PM |
#83 |
| -
well... |
rapturedbyrobots |
Jan-23-10 02:31 AM |
#129 |
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Coakley was not a DLC dem. |
iceman66 |
Jan-23-10 09:47 AM |
#145 |
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point taken |
rapturedbyrobots |
Jan-23-10 11:48 AM |
#154 |
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whoaa..Coakley took big bucks from the Insurance industry..big bucks to sell out the ppl of Mass! |
flyarm |
Jan-24-10 09:30 AM |
#177 |
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+1 |
Individualist |
Jan-22-10 11:45 AM |
#57 |
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they never listen... they know everything... we are stupid and irrelevent |
fascisthunter |
Jan-22-10 12:04 PM |
#75 |
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the corporate parties of america |
newspeak |
Jan-23-10 01:54 PM |
#161 |
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AMEN ! EOM |
flyarm |
Jan-22-10 08:59 PM |
#112 |
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They killed the House bill which didn't have the excise tax. |
Telly Savalas |
Jan-23-10 08:12 AM |
#140 |
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So I guess Brown is going to get them what they want |
treestar |
Jan-22-10 11:02 AM |
#6 |
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Brown already got them what they want. No senate hcr bill. |
dkf |
Jan-22-10 11:04 AM |
#9 |
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How incredibly short sighted. |
alstephenson |
Jan-22-10 11:52 AM |
#62 |
| -
Maybe they don't need anything more than to not have their healthcare taxed. |
dkf |
Jan-23-10 11:07 AM |
#153 |
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I believe what they wanted was to not see the Senate bill with the odious middle class worker tax. |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 11:11 AM |
#17 |
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The tax would have been against the health insurers, not the workers. |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:30 AM |
#45 |
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Whether on the insurance companies or the employer or Santa Claus |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 11:34 AM |
#48 |
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The idea behind the tax |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:37 AM |
#53 |
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Whatever else it was, it was tin-eared political idiocy from a team |
Romulox |
Jan-22-10 11:39 AM |
#54 |
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So you defect to a team that is even more pro wall st. and pro insurance industry? |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:43 AM |
#56 |
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I think people on DU forget we are not representative of the average Democratic voter |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 11:57 AM |
#67 |
| -
well the bill got worse and worse because of caving into blue dogs |
newspeak |
Jan-23-10 02:06 PM |
#162 |
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*I* don't live in Ma. But I am a student of cause and effect. nt |
Romulox |
Jan-22-10 12:19 PM |
#87 |
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The idea behind the tax was to generate revenue to make the subsidy plan "deficit neutral" |
JVS |
Jan-22-10 11:48 AM |
#59 |
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There were other ways to make the bill deficit neutral |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 11:59 AM |
#68 |
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If that was the intent it was doomed to fail |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 11:49 AM |
#60 |
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A lot of closet Repuke's belong to unions, so this is meaningless. |
Historic NY |
Jan-22-10 11:03 AM |
#7 |
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LOL. You keep telling yourself that. |
Romulox |
Jan-22-10 11:05 AM |
#11 |
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This is true. My grandfather was actually heavily involved with his union. |
LoZoccolo |
Jan-22-10 11:11 AM |
#19 |
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I think perhaps you didn't recognize the face in the picture. He's one of the "good guys" (now)! nt |
Romulox |
Jan-22-10 11:12 AM |
#21 |
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It IS meaningless (or nearly so) - but not because unions have republicans |
FBaggins |
Jan-22-10 11:17 AM |
#27 |
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A second LOL for talking about Unions as if they were foreign infiltrators rather than Dem's natural |
Romulox |
Jan-22-10 11:23 AM |
#34 |
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And where did I do that? |
FBaggins |
Jan-22-10 11:52 AM |
#63 |
| -
Well, if left leaniing Democratic voters & left leaning independents keep seeing the Lalalala trick |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:03 PM |
#72 |
| -
a union member for a repuke |
newspeak |
Jan-23-10 10:05 PM |
#168 |
| -
Labor voted right at 80% for Obama |
Omaha Steve |
Jan-22-10 11:16 AM |
#26 |
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Maybe labor but there are lots of other Unions...& yes some belong to |
Historic NY |
Jan-22-10 09:22 PM |
#116 |
| -
Steve, |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-26-10 02:42 AM |
#183 |
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In other news: Anger towards face spills over. Nose removed. Result, face seen turning towards right |
Maru Kitteh |
Jan-22-10 11:08 AM |
#14 |
| -
Funny title. n/t |
NoFace |
Jan-22-10 11:13 AM |
#23 |
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Protest voting. |
stubtoe |
Jan-22-10 11:09 AM |
#15 |
| -
Yep. And many Dem women switched sides too. |
DURHAM D |
Jan-22-10 11:29 AM |
#43 |
| -
So Democratic women voted for Brown??? |
alstephenson |
Jan-22-10 11:56 AM |
#65 |
| -
Perhaps to kill a bill that would have restricted their right to choice? |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:05 PM |
#76 |
| -
Gee, thanks for your response. |
alstephenson |
Jan-22-10 04:37 PM |
#106 |
| -
Did you read my comment? The answer is there. nt |
DURHAM D |
Jan-22-10 12:09 PM |
#80 |
| -
So Brown is pro-choice??? |
alstephenson |
Jan-22-10 04:33 PM |
#105 |
| -
obviously my response was to complex... |
DURHAM D |
Jan-22-10 06:40 PM |
#107 |
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The long- and very public ballyhoo about taxing their health benefits couldn't have helped |
depakid |
Jan-22-10 11:09 AM |
#16 |
| -
Yep, I think that's what did it. Democratic leaders should have |
sufrommich |
Jan-22-10 11:21 AM |
#30 |
| -
Woo hoo! Go Jane! Go Rush! Go Brown! Go Newt! Go Nader! |
mzmolly |
Jan-22-10 11:17 AM |
#29 |
| -
Good strategy. Insult and bash on the Democratic voters who are not happy with current policies |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:08 PM |
#79 |
| -
Better stratgey. Vote against Democats and then bitch when they can't |
mzmolly |
Jan-22-10 12:10 PM |
#82 |
| -
That's you. And I don't think we're going to win a lot of elections just with your vote |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:19 PM |
#88 |
| -
I've never seen a candidate who can do everything exactly the way I like. |
mzmolly |
Jan-22-10 02:54 PM |
#102 |
| -
Nor have I |
laughingliberal |
Jan-23-10 02:14 AM |
#126 |
| -
Absurd to suggest that subsidizing health care for those in need |
mzmolly |
Jan-23-10 09:33 PM |
#167 |
| -
I think it's been established our opinion of the HCR differs |
laughingliberal |
Jan-23-10 10:35 PM |
#170 |
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My views on the bill are born of watching |
mzmolly |
Jan-24-10 12:51 AM |
#174 |
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Trust me, after 25 years as an RN, I've seen all that and a lot worse, too |
laughingliberal |
Jan-24-10 03:57 AM |
#175 |
| -
I agree with Robert Reich |
mzmolly |
Jan-24-10 01:30 PM |
#178 |
| -
It damned well is the reason they give for rescinding coverage today |
laughingliberal |
Jan-25-10 01:39 AM |
#179 |
| -
Cynicism |
mzmolly |
Jan-25-10 02:17 PM |
#180 |
| -
Okay, but what is fraud |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-26-10 10:55 AM |
#184 |
| -
And this helps them how? |
Flying Dream Blues |
Jan-22-10 11:22 AM |
#31 |
| -
I dunno. Got the odious Senate bill off the fast track to passage? nt |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:09 PM |
#81 |
| -
rank and file of many union households are often more conservative than their leadership. |
WI_DEM |
Jan-22-10 11:27 AM |
#41 |
| -
I'm sure they'll be thrilled when he's the 41st vote to sustain a filibuster against EFCA |
KamaAina |
Jan-22-10 11:30 AM |
#44 |
| -
Something Coakley would have supported. |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:35 AM |
#49 |
| -
Gosh, FDL championed the unions a few weeks ago, tossed them... |
Spazito |
Jan-22-10 11:31 AM |
#46 |
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Yes, I'm sure if you make sure the electorate knows all about why FDL sucks it will result in a huge |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:13 PM |
#84 |
| -
My post wasn't to "the electorate" it was to those reading DU... |
Spazito |
Jan-22-10 12:57 PM |
#91 |
| -
Fine. Might be nice if, as a party, we started to figure out how to message the issues better |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 01:03 PM |
#92 |
| -
If you are referencing the Democratic Party re message the issues better... |
Spazito |
Jan-22-10 01:07 PM |
#93 |
| -
I see your point |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 01:29 PM |
#96 |
| -
Just to be clear, I am Canadian and support a multi-party system... |
Spazito |
Jan-22-10 01:44 PM |
#98 |
| -
Can't argue with any of that |
laughingliberal |
Jan-23-10 02:02 AM |
#124 |
| -
Why would anyone vote for someone who wants to destroy them? |
Kingofalldems |
Jan-22-10 11:33 AM |
#47 |
| -
I think they didn't like the Senate health care bill. nt |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:13 PM |
#85 |
| -
Who cares if their health care benefits get taxed? |
KillCapitalism |
Jan-22-10 11:52 AM |
#61 |
| -
Perfect example of how to destroy their support. |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:16 PM |
#86 |
| -
are any of you making these statements really democrats? I think not. |
flyarm |
Jan-23-10 07:39 AM |
#134 |
| -
X100....&worth repeating: |
bvar22 |
Jan-23-10 01:36 PM |
#157 |
| -
True and still many choose to bury their head in the sand. |
Tailormyst |
Jan-22-10 11:56 AM |
#66 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-23-10 07:51 AM |
#135 |
| -
Great call! I guess all dogs should be voting for Mike Vick as |
CBR |
Jan-22-10 12:02 PM |
#69 |
| -
What part of they didn't want the Senate HCR bill is not getting through? nt |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:20 PM |
#89 |
| -
The part that says the GOP gives Jack S*** about unions and |
CBR |
Jan-22-10 01:35 PM |
#97 |
| -
Nevertheless, these voters did not want the Senate HCR bill to pass |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 02:27 PM |
#100 |
| -
its getting through..it is just an "agenda" for some posters!! and it has nothing to do with |
flyarm |
Jan-23-10 07:55 AM |
#136 |
| -
Voters wanted a PO, even indies wanted it; K&R and Robert Scheer: |
amborin |
Jan-22-10 12:04 PM |
#74 |
| -
"Union voters ... are dissatisfied at the slow pace of change" |
Bill McBlueState |
Jan-22-10 01:10 PM |
#94 |
| -
I'd Be Curious |
RobinA |
Jan-22-10 02:49 PM |
#101 |
| -
I know this is a hypothetical, but |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-26-10 11:07 AM |
#187 |
| -
FDL needs to be scrutinized... |
WHAT |
Jan-22-10 03:03 PM |
#103 |
| -
you mean like the DLC shills? |
amborin |
Jan-22-10 06:49 PM |
#108 |
| -
I find FDL to be one of the most trustworthy places on the net! That is why the DLC propagandists |
flyarm |
Jan-22-10 09:18 PM |
#115 |
| -
Sounds like they are a bunch of fucking idiots then. |
LostInAnomie |
Jan-22-10 03:10 PM |
#104 |
| -
+100 |
HipChick |
Jan-23-10 11:50 AM |
#155 |
| -
People vote emotionally, not rationally. |
scarletwoman |
Jan-22-10 07:09 PM |
#110 |
| -
+1 nt |
laughingliberal |
Jan-23-10 02:21 AM |
#127 |
| -
But that really is |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-26-10 11:13 AM |
#188 |
| -
The return of the Reagan Democrats. |
Kaleva |
Jan-22-10 09:15 PM |
#114 |
| -
This poll doesn't tell much |
ProSense |
Jan-22-10 11:32 PM |
#123 |
| -
That's not a revolt. |
MilesColtrane |
Jan-23-10 02:12 AM |
#125 |
| -
Now...Has The Mass. Democratic Party Realized This??? |
KharmaTrain |
Jan-23-10 06:41 AM |
#132 |
| -
Let's see what has Obama learned???????? |
flyarm |
Jan-23-10 08:00 AM |
#137 |
| -
And This Is Relevant To Massetchussets How? |
KharmaTrain |
Jan-23-10 08:12 AM |
#139 |
| -
it is relevant to Mass and all of us!!!!!!! all the time !! eom |
flyarm |
Jan-23-10 08:15 AM |
#141 |
| -
But it is |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-26-10 01:01 PM |
#192 |
| -
Big K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Jan-23-10 09:53 AM |
#147 |
| -
There's nothing in the current hcr for union members. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jan-23-10 10:08 AM |
#151 |
| -
Do they really believe that change will come faster with Brown? |
DailyGrind51 |
Jan-23-10 02:24 PM |
#163 |
| -
With a response like that let's hope you stay far away |
harkadog |
Jan-23-10 10:47 PM |
#171 |
| -
I'm in an AFL-CIO affiliated union... |
browntyphoon |
Jan-23-10 11:20 PM |
#173 |
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My soup is cold.. I'll have the strychnine & jelly sandwich instead |
SoCalDem |
Jan-24-10 04:00 AM |
#176 |
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I'm glad to see a working class revolt |
liberal_at_heart |
Jan-26-10 11:02 AM |
#185 |
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Yeah, I'm sure you'll get "REAL leadership" from teabaggers like Brown. |
iceman66 |
Jan-26-10 12:02 PM |
#191 |
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