| 45. The tax would have been against the health insurers, not the workers. |
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Not that you would know that from the damn media.
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| -Fire Dog Lake: AFL-CIO Poll: Union Members Voted for Brown over Coakley in “Working Class Revolt” |
Omaha Steve |
Jan-22-10 10:57 AM |
#0 |
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Pretty phucking obvious message these voters sent... |
joeybee12 |
Jan-22-10 10:58 AM |
#1 |
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keep flogging that hobbyhorse. The FACT is Coakley was liberal, she just DID NOT CAMPAIGN. |
KittyWampus |
Jan-22-10 10:59 AM |
#2 |
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Oh please. |
dkf |
Jan-22-10 11:03 AM |
#8 |
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yawn..not that we lifelong union members warned about the excise tax.. |
flyarm |
Jan-22-10 11:08 AM |
#13 |
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Precisely |
Me. |
Jan-22-10 11:17 AM |
#28 |
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yeah, but Brown is going to be the gift that keeps on giving |
newspeak |
Jan-22-10 11:23 AM |
#33 |
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NO it's going to help them in the long run by enforcing some God damned party discipline to liberal |
ddeclue |
Jan-22-10 11:26 AM |
#39 |
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You know, Coakley's campaign is the principal reason why she lost, |
Arkana |
Jan-22-10 12:04 PM |
#73 |
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Yeah, OK ... |
Cosmocat |
Jan-23-10 06:29 AM |
#131 |
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And Obama is pro-union exactly how? |
riverdale |
Jan-22-10 01:46 PM |
#99 |
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Yeah, you're really teaching the Democrats a lesson |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:24 AM |
#35 |
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Actually they ARE teaching Obama and the DLC a lesson - take us seriously or lose. |
ddeclue |
Jan-22-10 11:25 AM |
#38 |
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They are only hurting themselves. |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:45 AM |
# |
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When an individual is suffering from a headache |
SOS |
Jan-23-10 02:31 PM |
#164 |
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"What do you mean 'they', iceman?" |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-23-10 10:34 PM |
#169 |
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"They" = any union member who votes Republican. |
iceman66 |
Jan-26-10 11:57 AM |
#190 |
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Unfortunately we ALL lose. |
alstephenson |
Jan-22-10 11:46 AM |
#58 |
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By the same token, the establishment dems aren't playing "good cop/bad cop" too well atm... |
Romulox |
Jan-22-10 11:35 AM |
#50 |
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Plenty of idiots to go around in this |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 11:53 AM |
#64 |
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The problem with this behavior |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 12:03 PM |
#71 |
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Well, I'm not the one you need to convince |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:25 PM |
#90 |
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I don't get it. We vote for them and they act like republicans. |
mmonk |
Jan-26-10 11:04 AM |
#186 |
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They will continue to put their fingers in their ears until everyone disappears |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Jan-22-10 06:52 PM |
#109 |
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READ the OP.. Their vote was a protest vote against OBAMA. It didn't matter what SHE was. |
ddeclue |
Jan-22-10 11:24 AM |
#36 |
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I Wonder What Your Excuse Will Be In November? |
Toasterlad |
Jan-26-10 11:53 AM |
#189 |
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no public option means no union support.... |
Oceansaway |
Jan-22-10 11:00 AM |
#3 |
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There was only one pro-wall street candidate in this race. |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:25 AM |
#37 |
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and there was one candidate in the pockets of the health care industry corporate fuckers, |
flyarm |
Jan-22-10 08:55 PM |
#111 |
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That is about the most idiotic post I've ever seen. |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 09:36 PM |
#117 |
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OH REALLY? do you think the union folks don't know this ..i found it on AFL-CIO message board! |
flyarm |
Jan-22-10 11:08 PM |
#122 |
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OK, you have some issues with the health care bill. i get that. |
iceman66 |
Jan-23-10 05:56 AM |
#130 |
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and you don't? and you can honestly look at this and know Coakley was bought totally by the Health |
flyarm |
Jan-23-10 07:30 AM |
#133 |
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We'll probably never know NOW, |
iceman66 |
Jan-23-10 09:37 AM |
#144 |
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The whole industrialized world drives cadillac health plans |
mdmc |
Jan-23-10 09:55 AM |
#148 |
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This bill, if it had passed,would only have been the first step |
iceman66 |
Jan-23-10 10:07 AM |
#150 |
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this first step would have made my unaffordable medical treatment |
mdmc |
Jan-23-10 10:24 AM |
#152 |
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You are referring to the Senate bill which would have never become law. |
iceman66 |
Jan-23-10 03:50 PM |
#165 |
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actually the health insurance greed bill |
newspeak |
Jan-23-10 01:46 PM |
#159 |
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You're forgetting the reason WHY NAFTA was never revisited - |
iceman66 |
Jan-23-10 03:54 PM |
#166 |
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working people have issues with mandated for profit health insurance |
mdmc |
Jan-23-10 09:51 AM |
#146 |
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Before WHAT election? |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-26-10 02:24 AM |
#181 |
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so, why didn't they vote for Kennedy? |
newspeak |
Jan-23-10 11:59 AM |
#156 |
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Wrong. There were two. n/t |
eridani |
Jan-22-10 10:55 PM |
#120 |
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I don't believe that. |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-26-10 02:26 AM |
#182 |
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Brown was against the public option and if this poll is to be believed unions supported him. |
Telly Savalas |
Jan-23-10 08:10 AM |
#138 |
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it was a Union Protest vote..protest..as in we are not voting for the party that is selling us out.. |
flyarm |
Jan-23-10 08:22 AM |
#142 |
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Well the senate bill tried to screw the unions. |
dkf |
Jan-22-10 11:00 AM |
#4 |
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i don't blame them....n/t |
Oceansaway |
Jan-22-10 11:01 AM |
#5 |
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I blame them. pig shit stupid |
cali |
Jan-22-10 11:05 AM |
#10 |
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selfish ??...they were gonna be raped !!...n/t |
Oceansaway |
Jan-22-10 11:06 AM |
#12 |
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raped????? as someone who was raped, I can't tell you how much |
cali |
Jan-22-10 11:11 AM |
#18 |
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ok....whatever....n/t |
Oceansaway |
Jan-22-10 11:15 AM |
#25 |
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You ain't seen nothing yet. |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:27 AM |
#40 |
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Yeah!!! |
bvar22 |
Jan-22-10 01:21 PM |
#95 |
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+1 !!!!! |
flyarm |
Jan-22-10 09:04 PM |
#113 |
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Basically what it comes down to is that |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 09:41 PM |
#118 |
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No. What it comes down to is THIS: |
bvar22 |
Jan-23-10 01:49 PM |
#160 |
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+2 (n/t) |
area51 |
Jan-22-10 10:09 PM |
#119 |
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+2 |
Retired AF Dem |
Jan-23-10 10:01 AM |
#149 |
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actually I found that quite humorous |
newspeak |
Jan-23-10 01:42 PM |
#158 |
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+1000 |
jeanpalmer |
Jan-23-10 10:57 PM |
#172 |
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oh yeah..because it was the "republicans" that taxed their health care benefits..right? |
flyarm |
Jan-23-10 08:26 AM |
#143 |
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Do you by chance have a preexisting condition? |
dkf |
Jan-22-10 11:12 AM |
#22 |
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no. |
cali |
Jan-22-10 11:14 AM |
#24 |
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What a surprise that you are willing to sacrifice somebody else's interests for your gain! |
Romulox |
Jan-22-10 11:36 AM |
#52 |
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I have a pre-existing condition, and am also in the disposable human garbage category |
eridani |
Jan-22-10 10:57 PM |
#121 |
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no... |
rapturedbyrobots |
Jan-23-10 02:30 AM |
#128 |
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...and the middle working class! ..and keep it up ..and they will sit home in Nov! |
flyarm |
Jan-22-10 11:11 AM |
#20 |
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and they keep heaping scorn on them and calling them "stupid" -well and if they throw us all out |
kenny blankenship |
Jan-22-10 11:22 AM |
#32 |
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It is stupid for union members to vote for Republicans. |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:29 AM |
#42 |
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Go ahead and shove the Senate bill down their throats then if you feel so superior |
kenny blankenship |
Jan-22-10 11:35 AM |
#51 |
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I'm not the one SENDING the country to hell by voting Republican |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:42 AM |
#55 |
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And if the VOTERS disagree about the merits of the bill, you'll just hold them down and ram it?? |
kenny blankenship |
Jan-22-10 12:02 PM |
#70 |
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Union members voting Republican |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 12:06 PM |
#77 |
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Provoking them to voting Republican makes you smarter - how? |
kenny blankenship |
Jan-22-10 12:07 PM |
#78 |
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Excuse me? |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 12:12 PM |
#83 |
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well... |
rapturedbyrobots |
Jan-23-10 02:31 AM |
#129 |
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Coakley was not a DLC dem. |
iceman66 |
Jan-23-10 09:47 AM |
#145 |
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point taken |
rapturedbyrobots |
Jan-23-10 11:48 AM |
#154 |
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whoaa..Coakley took big bucks from the Insurance industry..big bucks to sell out the ppl of Mass! |
flyarm |
Jan-24-10 09:30 AM |
#177 |
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+1 |
Individualist |
Jan-22-10 11:45 AM |
#57 |
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they never listen... they know everything... we are stupid and irrelevent |
fascisthunter |
Jan-22-10 12:04 PM |
#75 |
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the corporate parties of america |
newspeak |
Jan-23-10 01:54 PM |
#161 |
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AMEN ! EOM |
flyarm |
Jan-22-10 08:59 PM |
#112 |
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They killed the House bill which didn't have the excise tax. |
Telly Savalas |
Jan-23-10 08:12 AM |
#140 |
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So I guess Brown is going to get them what they want |
treestar |
Jan-22-10 11:02 AM |
#6 |
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Brown already got them what they want. No senate hcr bill. |
dkf |
Jan-22-10 11:04 AM |
#9 |
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How incredibly short sighted. |
alstephenson |
Jan-22-10 11:52 AM |
#62 |
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Maybe they don't need anything more than to not have their healthcare taxed. |
dkf |
Jan-23-10 11:07 AM |
#153 |
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I believe what they wanted was to not see the Senate bill with the odious middle class worker tax. |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 11:11 AM |
#17 |
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The tax would have been against the health insurers, not the workers. |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:30 AM |
#45 |
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Whether on the insurance companies or the employer or Santa Claus |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 11:34 AM |
#48 |
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The idea behind the tax |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:37 AM |
#53 |
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Whatever else it was, it was tin-eared political idiocy from a team |
Romulox |
Jan-22-10 11:39 AM |
#54 |
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So you defect to a team that is even more pro wall st. and pro insurance industry? |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:43 AM |
#56 |
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I think people on DU forget we are not representative of the average Democratic voter |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 11:57 AM |
#67 |
| -
well the bill got worse and worse because of caving into blue dogs |
newspeak |
Jan-23-10 02:06 PM |
#162 |
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*I* don't live in Ma. But I am a student of cause and effect. nt |
Romulox |
Jan-22-10 12:19 PM |
#87 |
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The idea behind the tax was to generate revenue to make the subsidy plan "deficit neutral" |
JVS |
Jan-22-10 11:48 AM |
#59 |
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There were other ways to make the bill deficit neutral |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 11:59 AM |
#68 |
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If that was the intent it was doomed to fail |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 11:49 AM |
#60 |
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A lot of closet Repuke's belong to unions, so this is meaningless. |
Historic NY |
Jan-22-10 11:03 AM |
#7 |
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LOL. You keep telling yourself that. |
Romulox |
Jan-22-10 11:05 AM |
#11 |
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This is true. My grandfather was actually heavily involved with his union. |
LoZoccolo |
Jan-22-10 11:11 AM |
#19 |
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I think perhaps you didn't recognize the face in the picture. He's one of the "good guys" (now)! nt |
Romulox |
Jan-22-10 11:12 AM |
#21 |
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It IS meaningless (or nearly so) - but not because unions have republicans |
FBaggins |
Jan-22-10 11:17 AM |
#27 |
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A second LOL for talking about Unions as if they were foreign infiltrators rather than Dem's natural |
Romulox |
Jan-22-10 11:23 AM |
#34 |
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And where did I do that? |
FBaggins |
Jan-22-10 11:52 AM |
#63 |
| -
Well, if left leaniing Democratic voters & left leaning independents keep seeing the Lalalala trick |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:03 PM |
#72 |
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a union member for a repuke |
newspeak |
Jan-23-10 10:05 PM |
#168 |
| -
Labor voted right at 80% for Obama |
Omaha Steve |
Jan-22-10 11:16 AM |
#26 |
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Maybe labor but there are lots of other Unions...& yes some belong to |
Historic NY |
Jan-22-10 09:22 PM |
#116 |
| -
Steve, |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-26-10 02:42 AM |
#183 |
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In other news: Anger towards face spills over. Nose removed. Result, face seen turning towards right |
Maru Kitteh |
Jan-22-10 11:08 AM |
#14 |
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Funny title. n/t |
NoFace |
Jan-22-10 11:13 AM |
#23 |
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Protest voting. |
stubtoe |
Jan-22-10 11:09 AM |
#15 |
| -
Yep. And many Dem women switched sides too. |
DURHAM D |
Jan-22-10 11:29 AM |
#43 |
| -
So Democratic women voted for Brown??? |
alstephenson |
Jan-22-10 11:56 AM |
#65 |
| -
Perhaps to kill a bill that would have restricted their right to choice? |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:05 PM |
#76 |
| -
Gee, thanks for your response. |
alstephenson |
Jan-22-10 04:37 PM |
#106 |
| -
Did you read my comment? The answer is there. nt |
DURHAM D |
Jan-22-10 12:09 PM |
#80 |
| -
So Brown is pro-choice??? |
alstephenson |
Jan-22-10 04:33 PM |
#105 |
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obviously my response was to complex... |
DURHAM D |
Jan-22-10 06:40 PM |
#107 |
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The long- and very public ballyhoo about taxing their health benefits couldn't have helped |
depakid |
Jan-22-10 11:09 AM |
#16 |
| -
Yep, I think that's what did it. Democratic leaders should have |
sufrommich |
Jan-22-10 11:21 AM |
#30 |
| -
Woo hoo! Go Jane! Go Rush! Go Brown! Go Newt! Go Nader! |
mzmolly |
Jan-22-10 11:17 AM |
#29 |
| -
Good strategy. Insult and bash on the Democratic voters who are not happy with current policies |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:08 PM |
#79 |
| -
Better stratgey. Vote against Democats and then bitch when they can't |
mzmolly |
Jan-22-10 12:10 PM |
#82 |
| -
That's you. And I don't think we're going to win a lot of elections just with your vote |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:19 PM |
#88 |
| -
I've never seen a candidate who can do everything exactly the way I like. |
mzmolly |
Jan-22-10 02:54 PM |
#102 |
| -
Nor have I |
laughingliberal |
Jan-23-10 02:14 AM |
#126 |
| -
Absurd to suggest that subsidizing health care for those in need |
mzmolly |
Jan-23-10 09:33 PM |
#167 |
| -
I think it's been established our opinion of the HCR differs |
laughingliberal |
Jan-23-10 10:35 PM |
#170 |
| -
My views on the bill are born of watching |
mzmolly |
Jan-24-10 12:51 AM |
#174 |
| -
Trust me, after 25 years as an RN, I've seen all that and a lot worse, too |
laughingliberal |
Jan-24-10 03:57 AM |
#175 |
| -
I agree with Robert Reich |
mzmolly |
Jan-24-10 01:30 PM |
#178 |
| -
It damned well is the reason they give for rescinding coverage today |
laughingliberal |
Jan-25-10 01:39 AM |
#179 |
| -
Cynicism |
mzmolly |
Jan-25-10 02:17 PM |
#180 |
| -
Okay, but what is fraud |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-26-10 10:55 AM |
#184 |
| -
And this helps them how? |
Flying Dream Blues |
Jan-22-10 11:22 AM |
#31 |
| -
I dunno. Got the odious Senate bill off the fast track to passage? nt |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:09 PM |
#81 |
| -
rank and file of many union households are often more conservative than their leadership. |
WI_DEM |
Jan-22-10 11:27 AM |
#41 |
| -
I'm sure they'll be thrilled when he's the 41st vote to sustain a filibuster against EFCA |
KamaAina |
Jan-22-10 11:30 AM |
#44 |
| -
Something Coakley would have supported. |
iceman66 |
Jan-22-10 11:35 AM |
#49 |
| -
Gosh, FDL championed the unions a few weeks ago, tossed them... |
Spazito |
Jan-22-10 11:31 AM |
#46 |
| -
Yes, I'm sure if you make sure the electorate knows all about why FDL sucks it will result in a huge |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:13 PM |
#84 |
| -
My post wasn't to "the electorate" it was to those reading DU... |
Spazito |
Jan-22-10 12:57 PM |
#91 |
| -
Fine. Might be nice if, as a party, we started to figure out how to message the issues better |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 01:03 PM |
#92 |
| -
If you are referencing the Democratic Party re message the issues better... |
Spazito |
Jan-22-10 01:07 PM |
#93 |
| -
I see your point |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 01:29 PM |
#96 |
| -
Just to be clear, I am Canadian and support a multi-party system... |
Spazito |
Jan-22-10 01:44 PM |
#98 |
| -
Can't argue with any of that |
laughingliberal |
Jan-23-10 02:02 AM |
#124 |
| -
Why would anyone vote for someone who wants to destroy them? |
Kingofalldems |
Jan-22-10 11:33 AM |
#47 |
| -
I think they didn't like the Senate health care bill. nt |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:13 PM |
#85 |
| -
Who cares if their health care benefits get taxed? |
KillCapitalism |
Jan-22-10 11:52 AM |
#61 |
| -
Perfect example of how to destroy their support. |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:16 PM |
#86 |
| -
are any of you making these statements really democrats? I think not. |
flyarm |
Jan-23-10 07:39 AM |
#134 |
| -
X100....&worth repeating: |
bvar22 |
Jan-23-10 01:36 PM |
#157 |
| -
True and still many choose to bury their head in the sand. |
Tailormyst |
Jan-22-10 11:56 AM |
#66 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-23-10 07:51 AM |
#135 |
| -
Great call! I guess all dogs should be voting for Mike Vick as |
CBR |
Jan-22-10 12:02 PM |
#69 |
| -
What part of they didn't want the Senate HCR bill is not getting through? nt |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 12:20 PM |
#89 |
| -
The part that says the GOP gives Jack S*** about unions and |
CBR |
Jan-22-10 01:35 PM |
#97 |
| -
Nevertheless, these voters did not want the Senate HCR bill to pass |
laughingliberal |
Jan-22-10 02:27 PM |
#100 |
| -
its getting through..it is just an "agenda" for some posters!! and it has nothing to do with |
flyarm |
Jan-23-10 07:55 AM |
#136 |
| -
Voters wanted a PO, even indies wanted it; K&R and Robert Scheer: |
amborin |
Jan-22-10 12:04 PM |
#74 |
| -
"Union voters ... are dissatisfied at the slow pace of change" |
Bill McBlueState |
Jan-22-10 01:10 PM |
#94 |
| -
I'd Be Curious |
RobinA |
Jan-22-10 02:49 PM |
#101 |
| -
I know this is a hypothetical, but |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-26-10 11:07 AM |
#187 |
| -
FDL needs to be scrutinized... |
WHAT |
Jan-22-10 03:03 PM |
#103 |
| -
you mean like the DLC shills? |
amborin |
Jan-22-10 06:49 PM |
#108 |
| -
I find FDL to be one of the most trustworthy places on the net! That is why the DLC propagandists |
flyarm |
Jan-22-10 09:18 PM |
#115 |
| -
Sounds like they are a bunch of fucking idiots then. |
LostInAnomie |
Jan-22-10 03:10 PM |
#104 |
| -
+100 |
HipChick |
Jan-23-10 11:50 AM |
#155 |
| -
People vote emotionally, not rationally. |
scarletwoman |
Jan-22-10 07:09 PM |
#110 |
| -
+1 nt |
laughingliberal |
Jan-23-10 02:21 AM |
#127 |
| -
But that really is |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-26-10 11:13 AM |
#188 |
| -
The return of the Reagan Democrats. |
Kaleva |
Jan-22-10 09:15 PM |
#114 |
| -
This poll doesn't tell much |
ProSense |
Jan-22-10 11:32 PM |
#123 |
| -
That's not a revolt. |
MilesColtrane |
Jan-23-10 02:12 AM |
#125 |
| -
Now...Has The Mass. Democratic Party Realized This??? |
KharmaTrain |
Jan-23-10 06:41 AM |
#132 |
| -
Let's see what has Obama learned???????? |
flyarm |
Jan-23-10 08:00 AM |
#137 |
| -
And This Is Relevant To Massetchussets How? |
KharmaTrain |
Jan-23-10 08:12 AM |
#139 |
| -
it is relevant to Mass and all of us!!!!!!! all the time !! eom |
flyarm |
Jan-23-10 08:15 AM |
#141 |
| -
But it is |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-26-10 01:01 PM |
#192 |
| -
Big K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Jan-23-10 09:53 AM |
#147 |
| -
There's nothing in the current hcr for union members. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jan-23-10 10:08 AM |
#151 |
| -
Do they really believe that change will come faster with Brown? |
DailyGrind51 |
Jan-23-10 02:24 PM |
#163 |
| -
With a response like that let's hope you stay far away |
harkadog |
Jan-23-10 10:47 PM |
#171 |
| -
I'm in an AFL-CIO affiliated union... |
browntyphoon |
Jan-23-10 11:20 PM |
#173 |
| -
My soup is cold.. I'll have the strychnine & jelly sandwich instead |
SoCalDem |
Jan-24-10 04:00 AM |
#176 |
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I'm glad to see a working class revolt |
liberal_at_heart |
Jan-26-10 11:02 AM |
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Yeah, I'm sure you'll get "REAL leadership" from teabaggers like Brown. |
iceman66 |
Jan-26-10 12:02 PM |
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