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42. It is stupid for union members to vote for Republicans.
There is no serious argument to the contrary.
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  -Fire Dog Lake: AFL-CIO Poll: Union Members Voted for Brown over Coakley in Working Class Revolt Omaha Steve  Jan-22-10 10:57 AM   #0 
  - Pretty phucking obvious message these voters sent...  joeybee12   Jan-22-10 10:58 AM   #1 
  - keep flogging that hobbyhorse. The FACT is Coakley was liberal, she just DID NOT CAMPAIGN.  KittyWampus   Jan-22-10 10:59 AM   #2 
  - Oh please.  dkf   Jan-22-10 11:03 AM   #8 
  - yawn..not that we lifelong union members warned about the excise tax..  flyarm   Jan-22-10 11:08 AM   #13 
  - Precisely  Me.   Jan-22-10 11:17 AM   #28 
  - yeah, but Brown is going to be the gift that keeps on giving  newspeak   Jan-22-10 11:23 AM   #33 
  - NO it's going to help them in the long run by enforcing some God damned party discipline to liberal  ddeclue   Jan-22-10 11:26 AM   #39 
  - You know, Coakley's campaign is the principal reason why she lost,  Arkana   Jan-22-10 12:04 PM   #73 
  - Yeah, OK ...  Cosmocat   Jan-23-10 06:29 AM   #131 
  - And Obama is pro-union exactly how?  riverdale   Jan-22-10 01:46 PM   #99 
  - Yeah, you're really teaching the Democrats a lesson  iceman66   Jan-22-10 11:24 AM   #35 
  - Actually they ARE teaching Obama and the DLC a lesson - take us seriously or lose.  ddeclue   Jan-22-10 11:25 AM   #38 
  - They are only hurting themselves.  iceman66   Jan-22-10 11:45 AM   # 
  - When an individual is suffering from a headache  SOS   Jan-23-10 02:31 PM   #164 
  - "What do you mean 'they', iceman?"  Leopolds Ghost   Jan-23-10 10:34 PM   #169 
     - "They" = any union member who votes Republican.  iceman66   Jan-26-10 11:57 AM   #190 
  - Unfortunately we ALL lose.  alstephenson   Jan-22-10 11:46 AM   #58 
  - By the same token, the establishment dems aren't playing "good cop/bad cop" too well atm...  Romulox   Jan-22-10 11:35 AM   #50 
  - Plenty of idiots to go around in this  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 11:53 AM   #64 
     - The problem with this behavior  iceman66   Jan-22-10 12:03 PM   #71 
        - Well, I'm not the one you need to convince  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 12:25 PM   #90 
        - I don't get it. We vote for them and they act like republicans.  mmonk   Jan-26-10 11:04 AM   #186 
  - They will continue to put their fingers in their ears until everyone disappears  spiritual_gunfighter   Jan-22-10 06:52 PM   #109 
  - READ the OP.. Their vote was a protest vote against OBAMA. It didn't matter what SHE was.  ddeclue   Jan-22-10 11:24 AM   #36 
  - I Wonder What Your Excuse Will Be In November?  Toasterlad   Jan-26-10 11:53 AM   #189 
  - no public option means no union support....  Oceansaway   Jan-22-10 11:00 AM   #3 
  - There was only one pro-wall street candidate in this race.  iceman66   Jan-22-10 11:25 AM   #37 
  - and there was one candidate in the pockets of the health care industry corporate fuckers,  flyarm   Jan-22-10 08:55 PM   #111 
  - That is about the most idiotic post I've ever seen.  iceman66   Jan-22-10 09:36 PM   #117 
  - OH REALLY? do you think the union folks don't know this ..i found it on AFL-CIO message board!  flyarm   Jan-22-10 11:08 PM   #122 
     - OK, you have some issues with the health care bill. i get that.  iceman66   Jan-23-10 05:56 AM   #130 
     - and you don't? and you can honestly look at this and know Coakley was bought totally by the Health  flyarm   Jan-23-10 07:30 AM   #133 
        - We'll probably never know NOW,  iceman66   Jan-23-10 09:37 AM   #144 
           - The whole industrialized world drives cadillac health plans  mdmc   Jan-23-10 09:55 AM   #148 
              - This bill, if it had passed,would only have been the first step  iceman66   Jan-23-10 10:07 AM   #150 
                 - this first step would have made my unaffordable medical treatment  mdmc   Jan-23-10 10:24 AM   #152 
                 - You are referring to the Senate bill which would have never become law.  iceman66   Jan-23-10 03:50 PM   #165 
                 - actually the health insurance greed bill  newspeak   Jan-23-10 01:46 PM   #159 
                    - You're forgetting the reason WHY NAFTA was never revisited -  iceman66   Jan-23-10 03:54 PM   #166 
     - working people have issues with mandated for profit health insurance  mdmc   Jan-23-10 09:51 AM   #146 
        - Before WHAT election?  TicketyBoo   Jan-26-10 02:24 AM   #181 
  - so, why didn't they vote for Kennedy?  newspeak   Jan-23-10 11:59 AM   #156 
  - Wrong. There were two. n/t  eridani   Jan-22-10 10:55 PM   #120 
     - I don't believe that.  TicketyBoo   Jan-26-10 02:26 AM   #182 
  - Brown was against the public option and if this poll is to be believed unions supported him.  Telly Savalas   Jan-23-10 08:10 AM   #138 
     - it was a Union Protest in we are not voting for the party that is selling us out..  flyarm   Jan-23-10 08:22 AM   #142 
  - Well the senate bill tried to screw the unions.  dkf   Jan-22-10 11:00 AM   #4 
  - i don't blame them....n/t  Oceansaway   Jan-22-10 11:01 AM   #5 
  - I blame them. pig shit stupid  cali   Jan-22-10 11:05 AM   #10 
     - selfish ??...they were gonna be raped !!...n/t  Oceansaway   Jan-22-10 11:06 AM   #12 
     - raped????? as someone who was raped, I can't tell you how much  cali   Jan-22-10 11:11 AM   #18 
     - ok....whatever....n/t  Oceansaway   Jan-22-10 11:15 AM   #25 
     - You ain't seen nothing yet.  iceman66   Jan-22-10 11:27 AM   #40 
        - Yeah!!!  bvar22   Jan-22-10 01:21 PM   #95 
        - +1 !!!!!  flyarm   Jan-22-10 09:04 PM   #113 
        - Basically what it comes down to is that  iceman66   Jan-22-10 09:41 PM   #118 
        - No. What it comes down to is THIS:  bvar22   Jan-23-10 01:49 PM   #160 
        - +2 (n/t)  area51   Jan-22-10 10:09 PM   #119 
        - +2  Retired AF Dem   Jan-23-10 10:01 AM   #149 
        - actually I found that quite humorous  newspeak   Jan-23-10 01:42 PM   #158 
        - +1000  jeanpalmer   Jan-23-10 10:57 PM   #172 
        - oh yeah..because it was the "republicans" that taxed their health care benefits..right?  flyarm   Jan-23-10 08:26 AM   #143 
     - Do you by chance have a preexisting condition?  dkf   Jan-22-10 11:12 AM   #22 
     - no.  cali   Jan-22-10 11:14 AM   #24 
     - What a surprise that you are willing to sacrifice somebody else's interests for your gain!  Romulox   Jan-22-10 11:36 AM   #52 
     - I have a pre-existing condition, and am also in the disposable human garbage category  eridani   Jan-22-10 10:57 PM   #121 
     - no...  rapturedbyrobots   Jan-23-10 02:30 AM   #128 
  - ...and the middle working class! ..and keep it up ..and they will sit home in Nov!  flyarm   Jan-22-10 11:11 AM   #20 
  - and they keep heaping scorn on them and calling them "stupid" -well and if they throw us all out  kenny blankenship   Jan-22-10 11:22 AM   #32 
  - It is stupid for union members to vote for Republicans.  iceman66   Jan-22-10 11:29 AM   #42 
  - Go ahead and shove the Senate bill down their throats then if you feel so superior  kenny blankenship   Jan-22-10 11:35 AM   #51 
  - I'm not the one SENDING the country to hell by voting Republican  iceman66   Jan-22-10 11:42 AM   #55 
     - And if the VOTERS disagree about the merits of the bill, you'll just hold them down and ram it??  kenny blankenship   Jan-22-10 12:02 PM   #70 
        - Union members voting Republican  iceman66   Jan-22-10 12:06 PM   #77 
           - Provoking them to voting Republican makes you smarter - how?  kenny blankenship   Jan-22-10 12:07 PM   #78 
              - Excuse me?  iceman66   Jan-22-10 12:12 PM   #83 
  - well...  rapturedbyrobots   Jan-23-10 02:31 AM   #129 
     - Coakley was not a DLC dem.  iceman66   Jan-23-10 09:47 AM   #145 
        - point taken  rapturedbyrobots   Jan-23-10 11:48 AM   #154 
        - whoaa..Coakley took big bucks from the Insurance industry..big bucks to sell out the ppl of Mass!  flyarm   Jan-24-10 09:30 AM   #177 
  - +1  Individualist   Jan-22-10 11:45 AM   #57 
     - they never listen... they know everything... we are stupid and irrelevent  fascisthunter   Jan-22-10 12:04 PM   #75 
  - the corporate parties of america  newspeak   Jan-23-10 01:54 PM   #161 
  - AMEN ! EOM  flyarm   Jan-22-10 08:59 PM   #112 
  - They killed the House bill which didn't have the excise tax.  Telly Savalas   Jan-23-10 08:12 AM   #140 
  - So I guess Brown is going to get them what they want  treestar   Jan-22-10 11:02 AM   #6 
  - Brown already got them what they want. No senate hcr bill.  dkf   Jan-22-10 11:04 AM   #9 
  - How incredibly short sighted.  alstephenson   Jan-22-10 11:52 AM   #62 
     - Maybe they don't need anything more than to not have their healthcare taxed.  dkf   Jan-23-10 11:07 AM   #153 
  - I believe what they wanted was to not see the Senate bill with the odious middle class worker tax.  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 11:11 AM   #17 
     - The tax would have been against the health insurers, not the workers.  iceman66   Jan-22-10 11:30 AM   #45 
        - Whether on the insurance companies or the employer or Santa Claus  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 11:34 AM   #48 
           - The idea behind the tax  iceman66   Jan-22-10 11:37 AM   #53 
              - Whatever else it was, it was tin-eared political idiocy from a team  Romulox   Jan-22-10 11:39 AM   #54 
              - So you defect to a team that is even more pro wall st. and pro insurance industry?  iceman66   Jan-22-10 11:43 AM   #56 
                 - I think people on DU forget we are not representative of the average Democratic voter  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 11:57 AM   #67 
                 - well the bill got worse and worse because of caving into blue dogs  newspeak   Jan-23-10 02:06 PM   #162 
                 - *I* don't live in Ma. But I am a student of cause and effect. nt  Romulox   Jan-22-10 12:19 PM   #87 
              - The idea behind the tax was to generate revenue to make the subsidy plan "deficit neutral"  JVS   Jan-22-10 11:48 AM   #59 
              - There were other ways to make the bill deficit neutral  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 11:59 AM   #68 
              - If that was the intent it was doomed to fail  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 11:49 AM   #60 
  - A lot of closet Repuke's belong to unions, so this is meaningless.  Historic NY   Jan-22-10 11:03 AM   #7 
  - LOL. You keep telling yourself that.  Romulox   Jan-22-10 11:05 AM   #11 
  - This is true. My grandfather was actually heavily involved with his union.  LoZoccolo   Jan-22-10 11:11 AM   #19 
  - I think perhaps you didn't recognize the face in the picture. He's one of the "good guys" (now)! nt  Romulox   Jan-22-10 11:12 AM   #21 
  - It IS meaningless (or nearly so) - but not because unions have republicans  FBaggins   Jan-22-10 11:17 AM   #27 
     - A second LOL for talking about Unions as if they were foreign infiltrators rather than Dem's natural  Romulox   Jan-22-10 11:23 AM   #34 
     - And where did I do that?  FBaggins   Jan-22-10 11:52 AM   #63 
     - Well, if left leaniing Democratic voters & left leaning independents keep seeing the Lalalala trick  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 12:03 PM   #72 
     - a union member for a repuke  newspeak   Jan-23-10 10:05 PM   #168 
  - Labor voted right at 80% for Obama  Omaha Steve   Jan-22-10 11:16 AM   #26 
     - Maybe labor but there are lots of other Unions...& yes some belong to  Historic NY   Jan-22-10 09:22 PM   #116 
     - Steve,  TicketyBoo   Jan-26-10 02:42 AM   #183 
  - In other news: Anger towards face spills over. Nose removed. Result, face seen turning towards right  Maru Kitteh   Jan-22-10 11:08 AM   #14 
  - Funny title. n/t  NoFace   Jan-22-10 11:13 AM   #23 
  - Protest voting.  stubtoe   Jan-22-10 11:09 AM   #15 
  - Yep. And many Dem women switched sides too.  DURHAM D   Jan-22-10 11:29 AM   #43 
     - So Democratic women voted for Brown???  alstephenson   Jan-22-10 11:56 AM   #65 
        - Perhaps to kill a bill that would have restricted their right to choice?  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 12:05 PM   #76 
        - Gee, thanks for your response.  alstephenson   Jan-22-10 04:37 PM   #106 
        - Did you read my comment? The answer is there. nt  DURHAM D   Jan-22-10 12:09 PM   #80 
           - So Brown is pro-choice???  alstephenson   Jan-22-10 04:33 PM   #105 
              - obviously my response was to complex...  DURHAM D   Jan-22-10 06:40 PM   #107 
  - The long- and very public ballyhoo about taxing their health benefits couldn't have helped  depakid   Jan-22-10 11:09 AM   #16 
  - Yep, I think that's what did it. Democratic leaders should have  sufrommich   Jan-22-10 11:21 AM   #30 
  - Woo hoo! Go Jane! Go Rush! Go Brown! Go Newt! Go Nader!  mzmolly   Jan-22-10 11:17 AM   #29 
  - Good strategy. Insult and bash on the Democratic voters who are not happy with current policies  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 12:08 PM   #79 
     - Better stratgey. Vote against Democats and then bitch when they can't  mzmolly   Jan-22-10 12:10 PM   #82 
        - That's you. And I don't think we're going to win a lot of elections just with your vote  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 12:19 PM   #88 
           - I've never seen a candidate who can do everything exactly the way I like.  mzmolly   Jan-22-10 02:54 PM   #102 
              - Nor have I  laughingliberal   Jan-23-10 02:14 AM   #126 
                 - Absurd to suggest that subsidizing health care for those in need  mzmolly   Jan-23-10 09:33 PM   #167 
                    - I think it's been established our opinion of the HCR differs  laughingliberal   Jan-23-10 10:35 PM   #170 
                       - My views on the bill are born of watching  mzmolly   Jan-24-10 12:51 AM   #174 
                          - Trust me, after 25 years as an RN, I've seen all that and a lot worse, too  laughingliberal   Jan-24-10 03:57 AM   #175 
                             - I agree with Robert Reich  mzmolly   Jan-24-10 01:30 PM   #178 
                                - It damned well is the reason they give for rescinding coverage today  laughingliberal   Jan-25-10 01:39 AM   #179 
                                   - Cynicism  mzmolly   Jan-25-10 02:17 PM   #180 
                                   - Okay, but what is fraud  TicketyBoo   Jan-26-10 10:55 AM   #184 
  - And this helps them how?  Flying Dream Blues   Jan-22-10 11:22 AM   #31 
  - I dunno. Got the odious Senate bill off the fast track to passage? nt  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 12:09 PM   #81 
  - rank and file of many union households are often more conservative than their leadership.  WI_DEM   Jan-22-10 11:27 AM   #41 
  - I'm sure they'll be thrilled when he's the 41st vote to sustain a filibuster against EFCA  KamaAina   Jan-22-10 11:30 AM   #44 
  - Something Coakley would have supported.  iceman66   Jan-22-10 11:35 AM   #49 
  - Gosh, FDL championed the unions a few weeks ago, tossed them...  Spazito   Jan-22-10 11:31 AM   #46 
  - Yes, I'm sure if you make sure the electorate knows all about why FDL sucks it will result in a huge  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 12:13 PM   #84 
     - My post wasn't to "the electorate" it was to those reading DU...  Spazito   Jan-22-10 12:57 PM   #91 
        - Fine. Might be nice if, as a party, we started to figure out how to message the issues better  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 01:03 PM   #92 
           - If you are referencing the Democratic Party re message the issues better...  Spazito   Jan-22-10 01:07 PM   #93 
              - I see your point  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 01:29 PM   #96 
                 - Just to be clear, I am Canadian and support a multi-party system...  Spazito   Jan-22-10 01:44 PM   #98 
                    - Can't argue with any of that  laughingliberal   Jan-23-10 02:02 AM   #124 
  - Why would anyone vote for someone who wants to destroy them?  Kingofalldems   Jan-22-10 11:33 AM   #47 
  - I think they didn't like the Senate health care bill. nt  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 12:13 PM   #85 
  - Who cares if their health care benefits get taxed?  KillCapitalism   Jan-22-10 11:52 AM   #61 
  - Perfect example of how to destroy their support.  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 12:16 PM   #86 
  - are any of you making these statements really democrats? I think not.  flyarm   Jan-23-10 07:39 AM   #134 
     - X100....&worth repeating:  bvar22   Jan-23-10 01:36 PM   #157 
  - True and still many choose to bury their head in the sand.  Tailormyst   Jan-22-10 11:56 AM   #66 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-23-10 07:51 AM   #135 
  - Great call! I guess all dogs should be voting for Mike Vick as  CBR   Jan-22-10 12:02 PM   #69 
  - What part of they didn't want the Senate HCR bill is not getting through? nt  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 12:20 PM   #89 
     - The part that says the GOP gives Jack S*** about unions and  CBR   Jan-22-10 01:35 PM   #97 
        - Nevertheless, these voters did not want the Senate HCR bill to pass  laughingliberal   Jan-22-10 02:27 PM   #100 
           - its getting is just an "agenda" for some posters!! and it has nothing to do with  flyarm   Jan-23-10 07:55 AM   #136 
  - Voters wanted a PO, even indies wanted it; K&R and Robert Scheer:  amborin   Jan-22-10 12:04 PM   #74 
  - "Union voters ... are dissatisfied at the slow pace of change"  Bill McBlueState   Jan-22-10 01:10 PM   #94 
  - I'd Be Curious  RobinA   Jan-22-10 02:49 PM   #101 
  - I know this is a hypothetical, but  TicketyBoo   Jan-26-10 11:07 AM   #187 
  - FDL needs to be scrutinized...  WHAT   Jan-22-10 03:03 PM   #103 
  - you mean like the DLC shills?  amborin   Jan-22-10 06:49 PM   #108 
  - I find FDL to be one of the most trustworthy places on the net! That is why the DLC propagandists  flyarm   Jan-22-10 09:18 PM   #115 
  - Sounds like they are a bunch of fucking idiots then.  LostInAnomie   Jan-22-10 03:10 PM   #104 
  - +100  HipChick   Jan-23-10 11:50 AM   #155 
  - People vote emotionally, not rationally.  scarletwoman   Jan-22-10 07:09 PM   #110 
  - +1 nt  laughingliberal   Jan-23-10 02:21 AM   #127 
  - But that really is  TicketyBoo   Jan-26-10 11:13 AM   #188 
  - The return of the Reagan Democrats.  Kaleva   Jan-22-10 09:15 PM   #114 
  - This poll doesn't tell much  ProSense   Jan-22-10 11:32 PM   #123 
  - That's not a revolt.  MilesColtrane   Jan-23-10 02:12 AM   #125 
  - Now...Has The Mass. Democratic Party Realized This???  KharmaTrain   Jan-23-10 06:41 AM   #132 
  - Let's see what has Obama learned????????  flyarm   Jan-23-10 08:00 AM   #137 
     - And This Is Relevant To Massetchussets How?  KharmaTrain   Jan-23-10 08:12 AM   #139 
        - it is relevant to Mass and all of us!!!!!!! all the time !! eom  flyarm   Jan-23-10 08:15 AM   #141 
           - But it is  TicketyBoo   Jan-26-10 01:01 PM   #192 
  - Big K & R !!!  WillyT   Jan-23-10 09:53 AM   #147 
  - There's nothing in the current hcr for union members.  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-23-10 10:08 AM   #151 
  - Do they really believe that change will come faster with Brown?  DailyGrind51   Jan-23-10 02:24 PM   #163 
  - With a response like that let's hope you stay far away  harkadog   Jan-23-10 10:47 PM   #171 
  - I'm in an AFL-CIO affiliated union...  browntyphoon   Jan-23-10 11:20 PM   #173 
  - My soup is cold.. I'll have the strychnine & jelly sandwich instead  SoCalDem   Jan-24-10 04:00 AM   #176 
  - I'm glad to see a working class revolt  liberal_at_heart   Jan-26-10 11:02 AM   #185 
     - Yeah, I'm sure you'll get "REAL leadership" from teabaggers like Brown.  iceman66   Jan-26-10 12:02 PM   #191 

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