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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:53 PM
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65. That's not really logical, though...
In a "truly free" society, why shouldn't I be able to use my "creator given" gifts to my advantage any way I can? Whether that be my wit, or my brawn? Why should the world belong to clever people, when brutes can easily take what they want?

And more importantly, who's to stop me? :shrug:

"a bias towards PEACE and FREEDOM."

Do you observe a bias towards PEACE and FREEDOM (sic) in the natural world? Then why would you expect to find such a bias among man? :silly:
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  -Is it the President's job to create jobs? BOSSHOG  Jan-20-10 02:07 PM   #0 
  - I don't know about The South, but when my late father was a teenager during ...  ShortnFiery   Jan-20-10 02:11 PM   #1 
  - my dad`s ccc/wpa administrator was ronny raygun`s dad.....  madrchsod   Jan-20-10 02:16 PM   #8 
  - Yes, especially in high unemployment areas.  jwirr   Jan-20-10 02:20 PM   #11 
  - Government Can Only Pay People If They First Take Those Resources From Others  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 02:11 PM   #2 
  - Create jobs to build up the infrastructure and national parks? eom  ShortnFiery   Jan-20-10 02:12 PM   #3 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-20-10 02:30 PM   #17 
        - oh, *mises.* now there's an unbiased authority.  Hannah Bell   Jan-20-10 02:46 PM   #28 
           - in a truly free society one cannot steal something from someone else  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 02:55 PM   #34 
              - in your free society, what prevents people from stealing from each other?  Hannah Bell   Jan-20-10 02:58 PM   #42 
                 - thats a good question, for the most part, third parties were used for contracts  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 03:00 PM   #44 
                    - in what sense are "third parties" who enforce contracts not "government"?  Hannah Bell   Jan-20-10 03:07 PM   #50 
                       - they don't use force, obviously...only government can do that  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 03:10 PM   #52 
                          - I read the blurbs. It's bullshit. "Parties would abide" because of the force behind it. Duh.  Hannah Bell   Jan-20-10 03:12 PM   #53 
                             - you are angry....and its affecting your rational thinking...  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 03:15 PM   #55 
                                - Typical. when a libertarian can't make a counter-argument, they make it about the character  Hannah Bell   Jan-20-10 03:20 PM   #60 
                                   - I'm sorry...I should not have made a personal comment about you...  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 03:22 PM   #61 
                                      - lol. Mises = an aristocrat who drew a salary from business interests his entire life.  Hannah Bell   Jan-20-10 03:32 PM   #63 
                                      - hehe....he made money yes  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 09:18 AM   #67 
                                         - i make money. but not by being the paid mouthpiece of private capital.  Hannah Bell   Jan-21-10 05:36 PM   #111 
                                      - That's not really logical, though...  Romulox   Jan-20-10 03:53 PM   #65 
                                         - read that book  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 09:20 AM   #68 
                                            - You're speaking gibberish.  Romulox   Jan-21-10 09:48 AM   #73 
                                               - wow  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 10:02 AM   #76 
                                                  - You don't seem to understand that real life has no Dungeon Master--  Romulox   Jan-21-10 10:09 AM   #79 
                                                     - so your asnwer is to support big government?  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 10:18 AM   #83 
                                                     - My answer is to reject your entire framing as unrealistic nonsense. nt  Romulox   Jan-21-10 10:20 AM   #84 
                                                     - hehehe....  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 10:22 AM   #87 
                                                     - Nice artificial dichotomy  Mixopterus   Jan-21-10 10:34 AM   #95 
                                                     - so you want a semi big gov.?  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 10:36 AM   #96 
                                                     - Like corporations don't steal resources  Mixopterus   Jan-21-10 10:38 AM   #99 
                                                     - big corporations can only exist because of help from the gov.  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 10:40 AM   #101 
                                                     - They are distinct entities  Mixopterus   Jan-21-10 10:43 AM   #105 
                                                     - again.....big corporations, that you hate, can only exist because gov. gives them unfair advantage  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 10:44 AM   #107 
                                                     - Here:  Mixopterus   Jan-21-10 10:47 AM   #109 
  - he doesnt HAVE to do anything  NightWatcher   Jan-20-10 02:12 PM   #4 
  - yes it is....  madrchsod   Jan-20-10 02:13 PM   #5 
  - But why would conservatives say that?  BOSSHOG   Jan-20-10 02:19 PM   #10 
     - they have to blame someone for their situation  madrchsod   Jan-20-10 02:42 PM   #25 
  - It is the President's job to act for the benefit of the Ameircan People...  Ozymanithrax   Jan-20-10 02:13 PM   #6 
  - When "creating jobs" is a pillar of his election campaign... then YES, he'd better deliver. (n/t)  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-20-10 02:14 PM   #7 
  - Yes.  Edweird   Jan-20-10 02:19 PM   #9 
  - Glad to hear it. Most RW fake patriots say the government can't create jobs and favor more  laughingliberal   Jan-20-10 02:21 PM   #12 
  - not true...republicans love gov. jobs - warfare state  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 02:38 PM   #23 
     - True. But I don't think that's the kind of jobs to which the OP was referring. nt  laughingliberal   Jan-20-10 02:57 PM   #38 
        - and don't forget the police state too....but lets not leave out dems...  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 03:01 PM   #47 
  - Yes, in times such as these it is the president's job to create jobs.  TexasObserver   Jan-20-10 02:21 PM   #13 
  - I Would Say That It's the President's Job  On the Road   Jan-20-10 02:22 PM   #14 
  - yes  guitar man   Jan-20-10 02:25 PM   #15 
  - I thought some of the $787 billion was going to do exactly that. nt  Obamanaut   Jan-20-10 02:26 PM   #16 
  - Republicans Do Favor Government Job Creation - The Warfare State  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 02:32 PM   #18 
  - the "jobs" aren't crucial. the bucks to rich contractors & stockholders are.  Hannah Bell   Jan-20-10 02:51 PM   #31 
     - either way, all gov. jobs must be funded by taking resources from others  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 02:58 PM   #41 
        - so what? if someone amasses capital, it also takes resources from others.  Hannah Bell   Jan-20-10 03:04 PM   #49 
           - in a truly free market, noone "takes" something from someone else...transactions occur  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 03:14 PM   #54 
              - you said you didn't want to argue, but here you are, still arguing.  Hannah Bell   Jan-20-10 03:34 PM   #64 
                 - i like you  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 09:22 AM   #70 
  - They want govt to stay out of their lives until it effects them personally.  Jennicut   Jan-20-10 02:32 PM   #19 
  - thats not true...they want gov. job creation - warfare state  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 02:38 PM   #22 
     - Some rethugs do. Some want govt. entirely dismantled.  Jennicut   Jan-20-10 02:43 PM   #26 
        - ron paul types are libertarians, not a republicans  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 02:56 PM   #36 
           - Well, you are correct on that.  Jennicut   Jan-20-10 02:58 PM   #39 
              - I think they just use the republican party  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 02:59 PM   #43 
  - Yes.  aquart   Jan-20-10 02:37 PM   #20 
  - The government gotta do SOMETHING.  HughBeaumont   Jan-20-10 02:37 PM   #21 
  - Gov. can only pay people by taking that money from others first  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 02:39 PM   #24 
     - you don't know much about history, do you? those "other people" got their $$$  Hannah Bell   Jan-20-10 02:53 PM   #33 
     - true...  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 02:57 PM   #37 
     - Were you in a coma when the gov't was handing out TRILLIONS to banks?  Romulox   Jan-20-10 03:55 PM   #66 
        - they have to take money from people....or counterfiet the money....  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 09:21 AM   #69 
           - It's just so silly that you're willing to shut off the music in this game of  Romulox   Jan-21-10 09:50 AM   #74 
              - what are you talking about?  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 10:03 AM   #77 
                 - 1) the gov't distributes TRILLIONS to corps; 2) Randian decides gov't handouts are HENCEFORTH wrong;  Romulox   Jan-21-10 10:11 AM   #80 
                    - who is Randian?  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 10:21 AM   #85 
                       - She's your ideological fairy god-mother, and you don't even know her name?  Romulox   Jan-21-10 10:25 AM   #88 
                          - Oh jesus  Mixopterus   Jan-21-10 10:29 AM   #91 
                          - lol  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 10:31 AM   #93 
                          - I'm too busy with Mises, Lew and Ron Paul, and Rothbard  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 10:30 AM   #92 
                             - Dude, that's like saying you're not interested in Shakespeare, because you're into DRAMA (e.g. CSI).  Romulox   Jan-21-10 10:37 AM   #97 
                                - again....why your love affair with the state?  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 10:39 AM   #100 
                                   - So now people who disagree  Mixopterus   Jan-21-10 10:41 AM   #102 
                                   - how can an organization that steals resources from people  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 10:43 AM   #104 
                                   - Your slip is showing. How long do you reckon before your big flame out? nt  Romulox   Jan-21-10 10:43 AM   #106 
                                      - Wow. He's gone.  Romulox   Jan-21-10 11:18 AM   #110 
  - It's his duty to protect the ones we have, that's for damn sure.  Dappleganger   Jan-20-10 02:43 PM   #27 
  - Nope. nt  krabigirl   Jan-20-10 02:48 PM   #29 
  - Yes when unemployment is hitting double digits  TxRider   Jan-20-10 02:49 PM   #30 
  - Yes.  Iggo   Jan-20-10 02:52 PM   #32 
  - sometimes  RainDog   Jan-20-10 02:56 PM   #35 
  - YES.. NEXT QUESTION.  ddeclue   Jan-20-10 02:58 PM   #40 
  - I think  BOSSHOG   Jan-20-10 03:00 PM   #45 
     - well, maintaining an army and police state require many government jobs  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 03:03 PM   #48 
  - That's a potential inroad for democrats in the South.  frustrated_lefty   Jan-20-10 03:00 PM   #46 
  - No, it's the President's job to give money to companies and trust them to create jobs  wickerwoman   Jan-20-10 03:09 PM   #51 
  - exactly...gov. moving resources around by force does not work...  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 03:16 PM   #57 
     - "Ok"  Mixopterus   Jan-21-10 09:37 AM   #71 
  - Only if he wants to get re-elected.  undeterred   Jan-20-10 03:15 PM   #56 
  - Business and industry creates jobs.  timeforpeace   Jan-20-10 03:17 PM   #58 
  - Unfortunately Big Businesses Use Gov. to Have Unfair Advantages  kerrywins   Jan-20-10 03:27 PM   #62 
     - Whoeever makes the rules and enforces the rules  Mixopterus   Jan-21-10 09:41 AM   #72 
        - the only difference  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 10:04 AM   #78 
           - So you concede  Mixopterus   Jan-21-10 10:12 AM   #81 
              - true...government will always be corrupt...  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 10:17 AM   #82 
                 - MAN is corrupt, Kerry  Mixopterus   Jan-21-10 10:27 AM   #89 
                    - you seem to think that without gov. everything falls apart  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 10:32 AM   #94 
                       - I've already read Mises  Mixopterus   Jan-21-10 10:38 AM   #98 
                          - i don't think you have read mises  kerrywins   Jan-21-10 10:42 AM   #103 
                             - No  Mixopterus   Jan-21-10 10:45 AM   #108 
  - I can be. Especially when the private sector is off masturbating in a corner or something. nt  anonymous171   Jan-20-10 03:17 PM   #59 
  - When The Private Economy Stops Creating Jobs, Then Yes, The Govt Must Then Create Them  Yavin4   Jan-21-10 09:51 AM   #75 
  - They haven't made it easy  Alias Dictus Tyrant   Jan-21-10 10:28 AM   #90 
  - Terry Branstad, the Republican candidate for governor in Iowa, claims  bullwinkle428   Jan-21-10 10:22 AM   #86 
 

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