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Tue Jan-19-10 01:25 PM
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| 75. One of my FB friends just described it as "racist" and "ablist"! |
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(she has a disability)
I'm one of the two dozen or so people who hasn't seen it, so I have no opinion.
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| -Many people criticize "Avatar" for being "unoriginal" or "derivative". |
johnaries |
Jan-18-10 07:10 PM |
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Few stories are ever really new. |
ddeclue |
Jan-18-10 07:12 PM |
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My problem with the plot is that it thematically offered me nothing NEW. |
Writer |
Jan-18-10 07:12 PM |
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Made me think of this.. |
BrklynLiberal |
Jan-18-10 07:50 PM |
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OMFG! |
flying rabbit |
Jan-19-10 05:44 AM |
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Too funny! |
spinbaby |
Jan-18-10 08:04 PM |
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agreed. But it presented it in a different way that many had not |
johnaries |
Jan-18-10 08:52 PM |
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Which is why you will never learn. |
johnaries |
Jan-18-10 09:22 PM |
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All right, I'll take the flame bait. It's like low-hanging fruit with a neon sign reading 'take me! |
Writer |
Jan-19-10 12:14 AM |
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Avatar took a lot from the book "Call Me Joe" by Poul Anderson |
Quixote1818 |
Jan-19-10 12:48 AM |
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Poul Anderson also had a novel called Avatar.. |
Fumesucker |
Jan-19-10 02:01 PM |
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The predictability |
Dorian Gray |
Jan-19-10 01:19 PM |
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So tell me how YOU would make it thematically new. |
mainer |
Jan-19-10 03:30 PM |
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Well... I'd first lodge it out of the culture wars narrative that it is so lazily set in. |
Writer |
Jan-19-10 04:07 PM |
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What you are describing is a 12-hour movie |
mainer |
Jan-19-10 05:26 PM |
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Please... if I may... |
Writer |
Jan-19-10 06:51 PM |
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my problem is that I hate the color blue |
Teaser |
Jan-18-10 07:14 PM |
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lmao. have to take some nausea pills maybe. n/t |
miyazaki |
Jan-18-10 07:55 PM |
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Colorist! LOL! |
johnaries |
Jan-18-10 08:54 PM |
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It would be fine if those very same people weren't gushing about District 9 |
Lilith Velkor |
Jan-18-10 07:19 PM |
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I loved Alien Nation. |
proteus_lives |
Jan-18-10 07:22 PM |
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Avatar is Princess Mononoke with less nuance. |
OnyxCollie |
Jan-18-10 07:20 PM |
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I never saw Princess Mononke, |
johnaries |
Jan-18-10 09:24 PM |
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It copies most of Princess Mononoke |
OnyxCollie |
Jan-18-10 09:38 PM |
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Avatar has special effects that bring to life SF concepts imagined in lit. for over 50 years... |
Hekate |
Jan-19-10 04:05 PM |
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I loved Princess Mononoke n/t |
azurnoir |
Jan-19-10 04:11 PM |
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Derivative is fine. |
Codeine |
Jan-18-10 07:20 PM |
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That's the cozy old bathrobe part about fully transferable storylines... |
bridgit |
Jan-18-10 07:20 PM |
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I don't have a problem not new, I have a problem with..... |
proteus_lives |
Jan-18-10 07:21 PM |
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DU loves some Noble Savage mythology. |
Codeine |
Jan-18-10 07:25 PM |
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I don't get that. |
proteus_lives |
Jan-18-10 07:34 PM |
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Nail. Hit. |
REP |
Jan-18-10 07:38 PM |
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Cameron himself said that the "message" is about the environment |
Lorien |
Jan-18-10 08:12 PM |
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Daoists are savages? O_o |
sudopod |
Jan-19-10 02:38 PM |
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My problem is that the characters are all completely one dimensional. |
GMA |
Jan-18-10 07:22 PM |
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Think of a Morality Play. The characters represent a "mindset" |
johnaries |
Jan-18-10 08:49 PM |
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Colonel Quaritch was the only interesting character in the movie. |
anonymous171 |
Jan-18-10 07:23 PM |
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I thought he was pretty much the classic "Military Badass" that shows up in every movie of this type |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jan-18-10 07:25 PM |
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Screams for a prequel novel or comic. |
proteus_lives |
Jan-18-10 07:31 PM |
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I thought he was the most 1-dimensional of the lot, personally. |
Marr |
Jan-18-10 07:37 PM |
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He certainly needed more development |
anonymous171 |
Jan-18-10 07:44 PM |
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Hey pal, there's only room for one sci-fi Ahab in this universe. |
Marr |
Jan-18-10 07:54 PM |
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??????He was the one I wish they had made into a "real" personality |
stray cat |
Jan-18-10 07:40 PM |
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I thought he was the flattest and most comical. |
Lorien |
Jan-18-10 08:05 PM |
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Agreed. He's in a giant robot, and he pulls a KNIFE? |
Alexander |
Jan-18-10 09:48 PM |
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he reminded me of Clutch Cargo |
Ghost of Tom Joad |
Jan-19-10 06:13 AM |
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Acually I felt a lot of it rips of Return of the Jedi |
ddeclue |
Jan-18-10 07:24 PM |
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They both borrowed from "eternal themes". |
johnaries |
Jan-18-10 09:17 PM |
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My friends said that the big screen effects were very good. |
theoldman |
Jan-18-10 07:26 PM |
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For Yes fans (mostly old folks) here I've read that the |
azurnoir |
Jan-18-10 07:31 PM |
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I'm glad somebody else noticed this |
NICO9000 |
Jan-18-10 07:52 PM |
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I hope you get to it's worth it n/t |
azurnoir |
Jan-19-10 04:13 PM |
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Most of the visuals had to have been done |
Ms. Toad |
Jan-18-10 08:07 PM |
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I knew those floating |
conscious evolution |
Jan-18-10 08:33 PM |
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Or art for Anne McCaffrey books |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jan-18-10 08:34 PM |
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Michael Whelan and Todd Lockwood? |
Lorien |
Jan-19-10 03:44 PM |
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I wasn't going to go there, but |
johnaries |
Jan-18-10 09:29 PM |
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Roger has been having a laugh over that, though he's a bit concerned |
Lorien |
Jan-19-10 03:39 PM |
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Thanks for this post. Very happy to read it. I was anxious to see Avatar |
BrklynLiberal |
Jan-18-10 07:34 PM |
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I was disappointed that no Air-Benders were featured. |
Orrex |
Jan-18-10 07:37 PM |
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That movie will be out July 2 |
Xithras |
Jan-18-10 08:33 PM |
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More info. |
BrklynLiberal |
Jan-19-10 01:14 PM |
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trademark, not copyright |
CBGLuthier |
Jan-19-10 01:41 PM |
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Thanks, excellente!!! k*r #5 here |
autorank |
Jan-18-10 07:46 PM |
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A family member of mine is a Native American activist and she loves "Avatar" for |
Lorien |
Jan-18-10 08:03 PM |
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Now that is one hell of a review... |
Caretha |
Jan-18-10 08:52 PM |
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Even when you tell people about this they just shrug it off |
lunatica |
Jan-19-10 06:42 AM |
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They sure as hell are not going to be teaching any of those facts in the American History classes.. |
BrklynLiberal |
Jan-19-10 01:07 PM |
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That is what I saw, only said in greater depth. The plot-line seemed aimed at a younger audience... |
Hekate |
Jan-19-10 04:48 PM |
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No need to go to made-up language for that, just Indo-European |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jan-18-10 08:24 PM |
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The more I read, the more I want to see it... the iMax was sold out the other night... |
MrMickeysMom |
Jan-18-10 08:38 PM |
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I highly reccomend iMAX for the "full' experience, But it's still worth |
johnaries |
Jan-18-10 08:58 PM |
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Avatar was advertised as being visually awesome and the movie delivered. |
ZombieHorde |
Jan-18-10 08:42 PM |
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I agree, go read a book. I'm currently re-reading the |
johnaries |
Jan-18-10 09:10 PM |
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or watch a movie with a better story. |
CBGLuthier |
Jan-19-10 01:42 PM |
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The story line is very predictable... but the visuals...ahhh |
lib2DaBone |
Jan-18-10 08:53 PM |
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Almost daily, I thank my lucky stars that I'm not near as smart at the average DU'er... |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jan-18-10 09:07 PM |
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You speak truth |
DainBramaged |
Jan-18-10 09:49 PM |
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You and I escape, while others try to prove they're smarter than people like us by |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jan-18-10 10:00 PM |
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It's possible to do both.. |
Fumesucker |
Jan-19-10 02:03 PM |
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Books are cheaper than movies.. If you pick 'em up used.. |
Fumesucker |
Jan-19-10 01:59 PM |
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Not trying to make excuses, but my blindness makes reading books difficult |
DainBramaged |
Jan-19-10 02:55 PM |
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Lots of books available as PDF, LIT or other files.. |
Fumesucker |
Jan-19-10 04:46 PM |
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One eye gone the other diminished since my last brain tumor |
DainBramaged |
Jan-19-10 07:02 PM |
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IMHO |
hyphenate |
Jan-18-10 09:10 PM |
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For instance: the Na'vi phrase "I see you" basically means "I GROK you." |
slampoet |
Jan-18-10 09:52 PM |
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It was boring |
krawhitham |
Jan-19-10 12:15 AM |
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I was moved by that scene too. When she said "Jake, My Jake!" |
Quixote1818 |
Jan-19-10 12:43 AM |
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I liked Avatar and forgive much of it's flaws |
AllenVanAllen |
Jan-19-10 02:06 AM |
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he repeated the hero myth (Joseph Campbell) again |
Ghost of Tom Joad |
Jan-19-10 06:11 AM |
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Good thread about a great movie. I don't think "many people" are criticizing this film. |
Fly by night |
Jan-19-10 07:32 AM |
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Most people don't like to be reminded of their peoples sins. |
ShamelessHussy |
Jan-19-10 07:41 AM |
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"Originality" is an overrated obsession of snobs. |
Odin2005 |
Jan-19-10 08:13 AM |
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I am going to have to start keeping a vomit bag next to the computer |
CBGLuthier |
Jan-19-10 08:16 AM |
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+1 nt |
Codeine |
Jan-19-10 02:07 PM |
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One of my FB friends just described it as "racist" and "ablist"! |
KamaAina |
Jan-19-10 01:25 PM |
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So did your friend actually go to see it herself? I did, and imo it is neither of those. |
Hekate |
Jan-19-10 02:34 PM |
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She did indeed see it herself |
KamaAina |
Jan-19-10 03:03 PM |
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Why not? |
Political Heretic |
Jan-19-10 03:14 PM |
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Um, no, it wouldn't. |
KamaAina |
Jan-19-10 03:18 PM |
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Um, yes it would. |
Political Heretic |
Jan-19-10 03:43 PM |
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In sci-fi terms, we are all at the bottom of a gravity well. It weighs heavier on some than others. |
Hekate |
Jan-19-10 04:00 PM |
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I would like to hear someone's idea of "original" |
mainer |
Jan-19-10 01:59 PM |
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"most people" are well meaning morons whose reality consists of what corps tell them to think |
GreenMetalFlake |
Jan-19-10 03:06 PM |
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Some people just have to be contrarian about things that are popular |
Political Heretic |
Jan-19-10 03:09 PM |
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Yeah, tell me about it. The unrecc fairies hit this one hard: |
Lorien |
Jan-19-10 03:35 PM |
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I read that, and I unrecced it. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jan-19-10 03:42 PM |
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And NO ONE has yet offered an "original" suggestion to change it |
mainer |
Jan-19-10 03:41 PM |
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With all the right people on this thread stating with an emphatic absoluteness |
LanternWaste |
Jan-19-10 05:08 PM |
#105 |
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