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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 04:00 AM
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133. "If they had wanted to..."
Nobody wants to hear it but I know Russ Feingold did not pull that out of thin air and he's never given me any reason to doubt his honesty.
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  -Robert Kuttner: A Wake Up Call (how HCR became a poison pill for Democrats) highplainsdem  Jan-17-10 10:50 PM   #0 
  - K&R  katandmoon   Jan-17-10 11:00 PM   #1 
  - K & R & Fin A.  Jim Sagle   Jan-17-10 11:03 PM   #2 
  - k/r  emilyg   Jan-17-10 11:08 PM   #3 
  - K&R  SammyWinstonJack   Jan-17-10 11:11 PM   #4 
  - Excellent  Nite Owl   Jan-17-10 11:16 PM   #5 
  - I agree - it's the best concise analysis I've seen of the HCR fiasco yet, and it's damning.  highplainsdem   Jan-17-10 11:20 PM   #7 
  - Dealing with the banks was more important  Grand Taurean   Jan-17-10 11:19 PM   #6 
  - You call what they did, dealing with the banks? Or was it protecting the too big to fail?  Mithreal   Jan-18-10 05:23 PM   #101 
  - This is so ridiculous  ProSense   Jan-17-10 11:20 PM   #8 
  - There are none so blind  pscot   Jan-17-10 11:29 PM   #11 
  - Nothing like BS in someone's eye to blind them  ProSense   Jan-17-10 11:33 PM   #14 
  - You can lead a pig to the jewelry store but can't force em to wear the pearls  Mithreal   Jan-18-10 05:33 PM   #104 
  - Who said Brown had anything to do with Dorgan?  tkmorris   Jan-17-10 11:36 PM   #16 
  - "The fact that such a position is selling, and in Massachusetts no less"  ProSense   Jan-17-10 11:38 PM   #17 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-17-10 11:40 PM   #19 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-18-10 09:13 AM   #57 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-18-10 09:53 AM   #60 
  - It will come by this time tomorrow night  customerserviceguy   Jan-18-10 09:17 PM   #122 
  - Really?  jeff47   Jan-18-10 01:54 PM   #82 
  - Strange it is. At least we are getting insights into people's intellectual capabilities.  Mithreal   Jan-18-10 05:37 PM   #105 
  - Notice she didn't address  Jakes Progress   Jan-18-10 05:43 PM   #107 
  - Hey Rip, did you just fucking wake up? Where the fuck you been..........  pattmarty   Jan-18-10 06:49 AM   #43 
  - What is "Dorgan"?  mdmc   Jan-18-10 10:03 AM   #62 
  - Most average people both Dems and R's wanted REAL health care reform  Mithreal   Jan-18-10 05:40 PM   #106 
  - I have rarely seen an argument as weak as the one you throw up  Mithreal   Jan-18-10 05:28 PM   #103 
  - Only you dear, only you  donheld   Jan-18-10 09:37 PM   #123 
  - K&R thanks for posting! only 1 minor quibble:  amborin   Jan-17-10 11:21 PM   #9 
  - very interesting...  Tuesday Afternoon   Jan-18-10 09:29 AM   #59 
  - Absolutely. Excellent post.  Mithreal   Jan-18-10 05:43 PM   #108 
  - Reason dems got more money  julian09   Jan-19-10 12:37 PM   #137 
  - So, I hit the REC button and the tally jumps from 13 RECS to 16 RECS.  bertman   Jan-17-10 11:27 PM   #10 
  - this^^^^^^.  girl gone mad   Jan-17-10 11:30 PM   #12 
  - Bravo!!!Bravo!!! Bravo!!!  OHdem10   Jan-17-10 11:31 PM   #13 
  - it's the "no health insurer left behind" bill  amborin   Jan-17-10 11:35 PM   #15 
  - His choice of advisers was what first made me think, "Oh no, we've been had."  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-17-10 11:39 PM   #18 
  - Hiring Zeke Emanuel to advise on HCR was the giveaway on this particular issue.  glitch   Jan-18-10 12:05 AM   #21 
  - I think they underestimated the intelligence of the electorate  laughingliberal   Jan-19-10 03:02 AM   #131 
  - !!!"Not one measly left-wing adviser or Cabinet member. Not one."  bvar22   Jan-18-10 01:01 PM   #73 
  - "If they had wanted to..."  laughingliberal   Jan-19-10 04:00 AM   #133 
  - When he started picking his economic advisors before the election was the tip-off.  Dr.Phool   Jan-18-10 04:37 PM   #97 
  - He CHOSE these advisers. This is HIS AGENDA. He said on healthcare, he got 95% of what he wanted  chimpymustgo   Jan-18-10 07:45 AM   #46 
  - Yep, he did. And those of us who remember real statesmanship  truedelphi   Jan-18-10 07:28 PM   #117 
  - Emmanuel's-- and, I think, Obama's-- agendas are political, not practical.  Marr   Jan-18-10 05:53 PM   #110 
  - Well, Rahm's compass is not 'put any old bill together.' It is put only a bill the insurance and  laughingliberal   Jan-19-10 02:56 AM   #130 
  - So Now We're Going to Lose Dorgan. I wasn't aware of that. Wow that sucks.  Leopolds Ghost   Jan-17-10 11:53 PM   #20 
  - Gallup shows the support/disapproval for the bill pretty evenly divided.  Jennicut   Jan-18-10 12:11 AM   #22 
  - The interesting thing in that poll is the results amongst Indies  Blasphemer   Jan-18-10 12:21 AM   #25 
  - That poll was also asking a rather generic question, and many people responding  highplainsdem   Jan-18-10 12:37 AM   #28 
  - Ding ding ding.......no public option....no mandate.  yourout   Jan-18-10 01:01 AM   #30 
  - Yeah, but you know it's tepid. No one actually cares for the bill  TheKentuckian   Jan-19-10 02:32 AM   #129 
  - what a mess n/t  DeadEyeDyck   Jan-18-10 12:13 AM   #23 
  - K & R  democracy1st   Jan-18-10 12:20 AM   #24 
  - A big ass K&R.  yourout   Jan-18-10 12:27 AM   #26 
  - Exactly the truth!  Hardrada   Jan-18-10 12:28 AM   #27 
  - excellent article. KR+41  inna   Jan-18-10 12:38 AM   #29 
  - If the bill passes, tirllions will go to big insurance to crush any real reform - it's a no-brainer  grahamhgreen   Jan-18-10 01:01 AM   #31 
  - And it will be recycled back as campaign contributions.  Dr.Phool   Jan-18-10 04:41 PM   #98 
  - My family's microcosm:  ibegurpard   Jan-18-10 01:01 AM   #32 
  - Yes, the whole political spectrum hates it, even though for different reasons  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-18-10 10:58 AM   #64 
  - exactly  rapturedbyrobots   Jan-18-10 06:13 PM   #112 
  - Well put. How far we have dropped in the last year. k&r  suede1   Jan-18-10 01:03 AM   #33 
  - HCR only ONE reason to loathe corporate Dems  western mass   Jan-18-10 01:19 AM   #34 
  - Obama needs to replace a number of cabinet members.  JDPriestly   Jan-18-10 03:05 AM   #35 
  - Agreed.  Betty Karlson   Jan-18-10 04:47 AM   #36 
  - Yeah, but ya gotta admit, he looks cool as shit!!!  pattmarty   Jan-18-10 06:57 AM   #44 
  - This paragraph speaks volumes:  DisgustedInMN   Jan-18-10 05:37 AM   #37 
  - Well put. nt  Lorien   Jan-18-10 12:51 PM   #72 
  - K & R . Concise, on-target, plain and simple. (n/t)  bread_and_roses   Jan-18-10 05:47 AM   #38 
  - utter nonsense. this explains nothing as to how Coakley lost a 25+  cali   Jan-18-10 05:52 AM   #39 
  - One explanation is her about-face on HCR 1 day after primary  usrbs   Jan-18-10 07:31 AM   #45 
  - Rahm Emanuel - Political Malpractice - Spot On.  Krashkopf   Jan-18-10 06:24 AM   #40 
  - Every point he makes has been made here on DU  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jan-18-10 06:39 AM   #41 
  - Yes, if they had pushed for single-payer health care (and publicly denounced  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-18-10 11:02 AM   #65 
  - Kinda like the squandered opportunity bush had after 9/11.  OnyxCollie   Jan-18-10 01:52 PM   #78 
  - Once again the Democratic leadership gets rolled  The Wizard   Jan-18-10 06:43 AM   #42 
  - Only one point of disagreement...  Jackpine Radical   Jan-18-10 08:27 AM   #51 
  - So even the illiberal Bob Kuttner doesn't like this reform plan  WeCanWorkItOut   Jan-18-10 07:54 AM   #47 
  - K & R.  PA Democrat   Jan-18-10 07:59 AM   #48 
  - Hoping to finance it  shimmergal   Jan-18-10 01:41 PM   #75 
  - K & R  woo me with science   Jan-18-10 08:03 AM   #49 
  - Kuttner has nailed this situation. What a disaster. Our one chance wasted. n/t  leeroysphitz   Jan-18-10 08:27 AM   #50 
  - I do see this as big problem..  midnight   Jan-18-10 08:29 AM   #52 
  - When I suggested that Obama tackle the financial situation first my post was met with riddicle.  olegramps   Jan-18-10 08:42 AM   #53 
  - Give me a big fukkin break!  ananda   Jan-18-10 08:46 AM   #54 
  - Uggh, defeat of this bill will cost me a bundle and I may lose my job over it  HughMoran   Jan-18-10 08:48 AM   #55 
  - Reality isn't well-regarded in the health care situation.  suzie   Jan-18-10 10:01 AM   #61 
  - It's the most depressing part of this debate  HughMoran   Jan-18-10 12:04 PM   #68 
     - I "am" an average person just trying to get by and I'm 100% against this bill  Democrat_in_Houston   Jan-18-10 01:53 PM   #81 
        - You can believe anything you want  HughMoran   Jan-18-10 01:57 PM   #84 
           - you accuse the above poster of making assupmtions  griffi94   Jan-18-10 03:20 PM   #87 
           - Fact: exchanges will lower my rates by more than 50%  HughMoran   Jan-18-10 06:47 PM   #115 
              - here's another fact for you  griffi94   Jan-18-10 07:56 PM   #119 
           - Typical slack logic.  Jakes Progress   Jan-18-10 05:52 PM   #109 
  - The bill in question  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-18-10 01:47 PM   #76 
     - You really need to look into "exchanges" before talking about affordability  HughMoran   Jan-18-10 01:53 PM   #80 
        - But what would the plans COVER?  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-18-10 02:20 PM   #86 
        - Same as what my $12k plan at my big company did  HughMoran   Jan-18-10 06:45 PM   #114 
        - I've read the bill and it may help you but it's not going to be good for a lot of us  laughingliberal   Jan-19-10 03:51 AM   #132 
  - K&R  invictus   Jan-18-10 09:10 AM   #56 
  - This pretty well nails it.  Moondog   Jan-18-10 09:17 AM   #58 
  - Time to fire Rahm!  midnight armadillo   Jan-18-10 10:06 AM   #63 
  - The problem is in the Senate you didn't have the votes for the public option. Just didn't have it.  RBInMaine   Jan-18-10 11:40 AM   #66 
  - So what do you think we need, 100 Senate Democrats in order to pass any progressive healthcare bill?  Better Believe It   Jan-18-10 01:36 PM   #74 
  - No, the problems were  jeff47   Jan-18-10 01:47 PM   #77 
  - What competent negotiator doesn't start with more than he expects to get?  pundaint   Jan-18-10 11:02 PM   #125 
     - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Jan-19-10 04:02 AM   #134 
  - huge knr  Mari333   Jan-18-10 11:42 AM   #67 
  - Obama was ABSENT the whole process  Cronus Protagonist   Jan-18-10 12:10 PM   #69 
  - Hi Rahm!  jeff47   Jan-18-10 01:52 PM   #79 
     - Who would make such a statement?  Cronus Protagonist   Jan-18-10 01:58 PM   #85 
        - This is politics, not logic class. (nt)  jeff47   Jan-18-10 03:55 PM   #91 
        - Anyone who cannot see through O's Sleight of "hands off policy"  ooglymoogly   Jan-18-10 04:29 PM   #95 
           - WHEN or IF he signs it, THEN he owns it  Cronus Protagonist   Jan-18-10 04:51 PM   #100 
           - It's hard to understand because it's absolutely not in the least true.  Lautremont   Jan-18-10 06:16 PM   #113 
              - Oh, sorry, I didn't know it was LINKED IN THE PUBLIC IMAGINATION  Cronus Protagonist   Jan-19-10 12:46 AM   #126 
                 - Self aggrandize much? I guess it goes with the territory  ooglymoogly   Jan-19-10 01:05 AM   #127 
                    - Well, I see you don't need schooling in that area yourself  Cronus Protagonist   Jan-19-10 01:15 AM   #128 
           - That is exactly what happened. I don't think I've seen it  Marr   Jan-18-10 07:50 PM   #118 
  - Former. Investment. "Banker".  Greyhound   Jan-18-10 12:40 PM   #70 
  - I was listening to NPR yesterday and heard a reporter say "The Public obviously  Lorien   Jan-18-10 12:49 PM   #71 
  - idiots  ibegurpard   Jan-18-10 05:24 PM   #102 
  - K&R . . . but notice that . . .  defendandprotect   Jan-18-10 01:55 PM   #83 
  - k & r  burning rain   Jan-18-10 03:42 PM   #88 
  - Yep... That's Sounds About Right... Excellent Analysis, Once Again !!! - K & R !!!  WillyT   Jan-18-10 03:52 PM   #89 
  - K & R. Kuttner is right.  freddie mertz   Jan-18-10 03:54 PM   #90 
  - It's a DLC plan,  Individualist   Jan-18-10 03:57 PM   #92 
  - K and R. Thanks for post.  Faryn Balyncd   Jan-18-10 03:58 PM   #93 
  - Typical democrat result  Moostache   Jan-18-10 04:22 PM   #94 
  - K & R  AzDar   Jan-18-10 04:36 PM   #96 
  - Kr; Right over the goal post.  ooglymoogly   Jan-18-10 04:49 PM   #99 
  - God, some here must be tired of having their support  Jakes Progress   Jan-18-10 05:54 PM   #111 
  - Here it is right here:  gorfle   Jan-18-10 07:11 PM   #116 
  - Colossal FU  husky92   Jan-18-10 08:43 PM   #120 
  - yeah.well said. ....n/t  veganlush   Jan-18-10 09:01 PM   #121 
  - HCR equals wads of cash for "insurance" companies and big PHARMA  eecumings   Jan-18-10 10:41 PM   #124 
  - Pretty well nailed the situation  laughingliberal   Jan-19-10 04:08 AM   #135 
  - Will House Dems approve Senate version of HCR bill to get passage?  SandWalker1984   Jan-19-10 12:01 PM   #136 
  - The other option is to vote Dem today  julian09   Jan-19-10 02:15 PM   #138 
  - hate to say it, I agree. damn that hurt. n/t.  okieinpain   Jan-19-10 09:45 PM   #139 
  - Kick  democracy1st   Jan-20-10 06:00 AM   #140 
 

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