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Mon Jan-18-10 03:20 PM
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| 87. you accuse the above poster of making assupmtions |
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without facts, and you want facts not emotions, but in the post right above his you speak of being depressed and hating the world. you have no more facts than anybody else. after watching what were supposed to be good policies for the people get mutated into shit, remember no child left behind, i think it's a bit unwise to settle for a shit sandwich now hoping that later on it will turn into tuna salad. apparently i'm not the only voter in america who feels this way. HCR was on my list of priority issues, but just passing some crap bill to claim "victory" won't carry the day. jmho
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| -Robert Kuttner: A Wake Up Call (how HCR became a poison pill for Democrats) |
highplainsdem |
Jan-17-10 10:50 PM |
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K&R |
katandmoon |
Jan-17-10 11:00 PM |
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K & R & Fin A. |
Jim Sagle |
Jan-17-10 11:03 PM |
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k/r |
emilyg |
Jan-17-10 11:08 PM |
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K&R |
SammyWinstonJack |
Jan-17-10 11:11 PM |
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Excellent |
Nite Owl |
Jan-17-10 11:16 PM |
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I agree - it's the best concise analysis I've seen of the HCR fiasco yet, and it's damning. |
highplainsdem |
Jan-17-10 11:20 PM |
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Dealing with the banks was more important |
Grand Taurean |
Jan-17-10 11:19 PM |
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You call what they did, dealing with the banks? Or was it protecting the too big to fail? |
Mithreal |
Jan-18-10 05:23 PM |
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This is so ridiculous |
ProSense |
Jan-17-10 11:20 PM |
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There are none so blind |
pscot |
Jan-17-10 11:29 PM |
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Nothing like BS in someone's eye to blind them |
ProSense |
Jan-17-10 11:33 PM |
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You can lead a pig to the jewelry store but can't force em to wear the pearls |
Mithreal |
Jan-18-10 05:33 PM |
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Who said Brown had anything to do with Dorgan? |
tkmorris |
Jan-17-10 11:36 PM |
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"The fact that such a position is selling, and in Massachusetts no less" |
ProSense |
Jan-17-10 11:38 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
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Jan-17-10 11:40 PM |
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Jan-18-10 09:13 AM |
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Deleted message |
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Jan-18-10 09:53 AM |
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It will come by this time tomorrow night |
customerserviceguy |
Jan-18-10 09:17 PM |
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Really? |
jeff47 |
Jan-18-10 01:54 PM |
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Strange it is. At least we are getting insights into people's intellectual capabilities. |
Mithreal |
Jan-18-10 05:37 PM |
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Notice she didn't address |
Jakes Progress |
Jan-18-10 05:43 PM |
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Hey Rip, did you just fucking wake up? Where the fuck you been.......... |
pattmarty |
Jan-18-10 06:49 AM |
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What is "Dorgan"? |
mdmc |
Jan-18-10 10:03 AM |
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Most average people both Dems and R's wanted REAL health care reform |
Mithreal |
Jan-18-10 05:40 PM |
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I have rarely seen an argument as weak as the one you throw up |
Mithreal |
Jan-18-10 05:28 PM |
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Only you dear, only you |
donheld |
Jan-18-10 09:37 PM |
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K&R thanks for posting! only 1 minor quibble: |
amborin |
Jan-17-10 11:21 PM |
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very interesting... |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Jan-18-10 09:29 AM |
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Absolutely. Excellent post. |
Mithreal |
Jan-18-10 05:43 PM |
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Reason dems got more money |
julian09 |
Jan-19-10 12:37 PM |
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So, I hit the REC button and the tally jumps from 13 RECS to 16 RECS. |
bertman |
Jan-17-10 11:27 PM |
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this^^^^^^. |
girl gone mad |
Jan-17-10 11:30 PM |
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Bravo!!!Bravo!!! Bravo!!! |
OHdem10 |
Jan-17-10 11:31 PM |
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it's the "no health insurer left behind" bill |
amborin |
Jan-17-10 11:35 PM |
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His choice of advisers was what first made me think, "Oh no, we've been had." |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-17-10 11:39 PM |
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Hiring Zeke Emanuel to advise on HCR was the giveaway on this particular issue. |
glitch |
Jan-18-10 12:05 AM |
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I think they underestimated the intelligence of the electorate |
laughingliberal |
Jan-19-10 03:02 AM |
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!!!"Not one measly left-wing adviser or Cabinet member. Not one." |
bvar22 |
Jan-18-10 01:01 PM |
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"If they had wanted to..." |
laughingliberal |
Jan-19-10 04:00 AM |
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When he started picking his economic advisors before the election was the tip-off. |
Dr.Phool |
Jan-18-10 04:37 PM |
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He CHOSE these advisers. This is HIS AGENDA. He said on healthcare, he got 95% of what he wanted |
chimpymustgo |
Jan-18-10 07:45 AM |
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Yep, he did. And those of us who remember real statesmanship |
truedelphi |
Jan-18-10 07:28 PM |
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Emmanuel's-- and, I think, Obama's-- agendas are political, not practical. |
Marr |
Jan-18-10 05:53 PM |
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Well, Rahm's compass is not 'put any old bill together.' It is put only a bill the insurance and |
laughingliberal |
Jan-19-10 02:56 AM |
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So Now We're Going to Lose Dorgan. I wasn't aware of that. Wow that sucks. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-17-10 11:53 PM |
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Gallup shows the support/disapproval for the bill pretty evenly divided. |
Jennicut |
Jan-18-10 12:11 AM |
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The interesting thing in that poll is the results amongst Indies |
Blasphemer |
Jan-18-10 12:21 AM |
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That poll was also asking a rather generic question, and many people responding |
highplainsdem |
Jan-18-10 12:37 AM |
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Ding ding ding.......no public option....no mandate. |
yourout |
Jan-18-10 01:01 AM |
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Yeah, but you know it's tepid. No one actually cares for the bill |
TheKentuckian |
Jan-19-10 02:32 AM |
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what a mess n/t |
DeadEyeDyck |
Jan-18-10 12:13 AM |
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K & R |
democracy1st |
Jan-18-10 12:20 AM |
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A big ass K&R. |
yourout |
Jan-18-10 12:27 AM |
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Exactly the truth! |
Hardrada |
Jan-18-10 12:28 AM |
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excellent article. KR+41 |
inna |
Jan-18-10 12:38 AM |
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If the bill passes, tirllions will go to big insurance to crush any real reform - it's a no-brainer |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-18-10 01:01 AM |
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And it will be recycled back as campaign contributions. |
Dr.Phool |
Jan-18-10 04:41 PM |
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My family's microcosm: |
ibegurpard |
Jan-18-10 01:01 AM |
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Yes, the whole political spectrum hates it, even though for different reasons |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-18-10 10:58 AM |
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exactly |
rapturedbyrobots |
Jan-18-10 06:13 PM |
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Well put. How far we have dropped in the last year. k&r |
suede1 |
Jan-18-10 01:03 AM |
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HCR only ONE reason to loathe corporate Dems |
western mass |
Jan-18-10 01:19 AM |
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Obama needs to replace a number of cabinet members. |
JDPriestly |
Jan-18-10 03:05 AM |
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Agreed. |
Betty Karlson |
Jan-18-10 04:47 AM |
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Yeah, but ya gotta admit, he looks cool as shit!!! |
pattmarty |
Jan-18-10 06:57 AM |
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This paragraph speaks volumes: |
DisgustedInMN |
Jan-18-10 05:37 AM |
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Well put. nt |
Lorien |
Jan-18-10 12:51 PM |
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K & R . Concise, on-target, plain and simple. (n/t) |
bread_and_roses |
Jan-18-10 05:47 AM |
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utter nonsense. this explains nothing as to how Coakley lost a 25+ |
cali |
Jan-18-10 05:52 AM |
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One explanation is her about-face on HCR 1 day after primary |
usrbs |
Jan-18-10 07:31 AM |
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Rahm Emanuel - Political Malpractice - Spot On. |
Krashkopf |
Jan-18-10 06:24 AM |
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Every point he makes has been made here on DU |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Jan-18-10 06:39 AM |
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Yes, if they had pushed for single-payer health care (and publicly denounced |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-18-10 11:02 AM |
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Kinda like the squandered opportunity bush had after 9/11. |
OnyxCollie |
Jan-18-10 01:52 PM |
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Once again the Democratic leadership gets rolled |
The Wizard |
Jan-18-10 06:43 AM |
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Only one point of disagreement... |
Jackpine Radical |
Jan-18-10 08:27 AM |
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So even the illiberal Bob Kuttner doesn't like this reform plan |
WeCanWorkItOut |
Jan-18-10 07:54 AM |
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K & R. |
PA Democrat |
Jan-18-10 07:59 AM |
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Hoping to finance it |
shimmergal |
Jan-18-10 01:41 PM |
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K & R |
woo me with science |
Jan-18-10 08:03 AM |
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Kuttner has nailed this situation. What a disaster. Our one chance wasted. n/t |
leeroysphitz |
Jan-18-10 08:27 AM |
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I do see this as big problem.. |
midnight |
Jan-18-10 08:29 AM |
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When I suggested that Obama tackle the financial situation first my post was met with riddicle. |
olegramps |
Jan-18-10 08:42 AM |
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Give me a big fukkin break! |
ananda |
Jan-18-10 08:46 AM |
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Uggh, defeat of this bill will cost me a bundle and I may lose my job over it |
HughMoran |
Jan-18-10 08:48 AM |
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Reality isn't well-regarded in the health care situation. |
suzie |
Jan-18-10 10:01 AM |
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It's the most depressing part of this debate |
HughMoran |
Jan-18-10 12:04 PM |
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I "am" an average person just trying to get by and I'm 100% against this bill |
Democrat_in_Houston |
Jan-18-10 01:53 PM |
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You can believe anything you want |
HughMoran |
Jan-18-10 01:57 PM |
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you accuse the above poster of making assupmtions |
griffi94 |
Jan-18-10 03:20 PM |
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Fact: exchanges will lower my rates by more than 50% |
HughMoran |
Jan-18-10 06:47 PM |
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here's another fact for you |
griffi94 |
Jan-18-10 07:56 PM |
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Typical slack logic. |
Jakes Progress |
Jan-18-10 05:52 PM |
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The bill in question |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-18-10 01:47 PM |
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You really need to look into "exchanges" before talking about affordability |
HughMoran |
Jan-18-10 01:53 PM |
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But what would the plans COVER? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-18-10 02:20 PM |
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Same as what my $12k plan at my big company did |
HughMoran |
Jan-18-10 06:45 PM |
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I've read the bill and it may help you but it's not going to be good for a lot of us |
laughingliberal |
Jan-19-10 03:51 AM |
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K&R |
invictus |
Jan-18-10 09:10 AM |
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This pretty well nails it. |
Moondog |
Jan-18-10 09:17 AM |
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Time to fire Rahm! |
midnight armadillo |
Jan-18-10 10:06 AM |
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The problem is in the Senate you didn't have the votes for the public option. Just didn't have it. |
RBInMaine |
Jan-18-10 11:40 AM |
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So what do you think we need, 100 Senate Democrats in order to pass any progressive healthcare bill? |
Better Believe It |
Jan-18-10 01:36 PM |
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No, the problems were |
jeff47 |
Jan-18-10 01:47 PM |
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What competent negotiator doesn't start with more than he expects to get? |
pundaint |
Jan-18-10 11:02 PM |
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+1000 nt |
laughingliberal |
Jan-19-10 04:02 AM |
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huge knr |
Mari333 |
Jan-18-10 11:42 AM |
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Obama was ABSENT the whole process |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jan-18-10 12:10 PM |
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Hi Rahm! |
jeff47 |
Jan-18-10 01:52 PM |
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Who would make such a statement? |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jan-18-10 01:58 PM |
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This is politics, not logic class. (nt) |
jeff47 |
Jan-18-10 03:55 PM |
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Anyone who cannot see through O's Sleight of "hands off policy" |
ooglymoogly |
Jan-18-10 04:29 PM |
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WHEN or IF he signs it, THEN he owns it |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jan-18-10 04:51 PM |
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It's hard to understand because it's absolutely not in the least true. |
Lautremont |
Jan-18-10 06:16 PM |
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Oh, sorry, I didn't know it was LINKED IN THE PUBLIC IMAGINATION |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jan-19-10 12:46 AM |
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Self aggrandize much? I guess it goes with the territory |
ooglymoogly |
Jan-19-10 01:05 AM |
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Well, I see you don't need schooling in that area yourself |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jan-19-10 01:15 AM |
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That is exactly what happened. I don't think I've seen it |
Marr |
Jan-18-10 07:50 PM |
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Former. Investment. "Banker". |
Greyhound |
Jan-18-10 12:40 PM |
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I was listening to NPR yesterday and heard a reporter say "The Public obviously |
Lorien |
Jan-18-10 12:49 PM |
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idiots |
ibegurpard |
Jan-18-10 05:24 PM |
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K&R . . . but notice that . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jan-18-10 01:55 PM |
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k & r |
burning rain |
Jan-18-10 03:42 PM |
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Yep... That's Sounds About Right... Excellent Analysis, Once Again !!! - K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Jan-18-10 03:52 PM |
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K & R. Kuttner is right. |
freddie mertz |
Jan-18-10 03:54 PM |
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It's a DLC plan, |
Individualist |
Jan-18-10 03:57 PM |
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K and R. Thanks for post. |
Faryn Balyncd |
Jan-18-10 03:58 PM |
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Typical democrat result |
Moostache |
Jan-18-10 04:22 PM |
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K & R |
AzDar |
Jan-18-10 04:36 PM |
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Kr; Right over the goal post. |
ooglymoogly |
Jan-18-10 04:49 PM |
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God, some here must be tired of having their support |
Jakes Progress |
Jan-18-10 05:54 PM |
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Here it is right here: |
gorfle |
Jan-18-10 07:11 PM |
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Colossal FU |
husky92 |
Jan-18-10 08:43 PM |
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yeah.well said. ....n/t |
veganlush |
Jan-18-10 09:01 PM |
#121 |
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HCR equals wads of cash for "insurance" companies and big PHARMA |
eecumings |
Jan-18-10 10:41 PM |
#124 |
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Pretty well nailed the situation |
laughingliberal |
Jan-19-10 04:08 AM |
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Will House Dems approve Senate version of HCR bill to get passage? |
SandWalker1984 |
Jan-19-10 12:01 PM |
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The other option is to vote Dem today |
julian09 |
Jan-19-10 02:15 PM |
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hate to say it, I agree. damn that hurt. n/t. |
okieinpain |
Jan-19-10 09:45 PM |
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Kick |
democracy1st |
Jan-20-10 06:00 AM |
#140 |
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