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WonderGrunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:55 AM
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37. That article shows Obama's support for a Triggered PO
At a time when it seemed possible to get Snowe's vote with it. If Snowe wasn't just jerking our chains on this, we would have had a much stronger Senate bill than the one we got having to deal with LIEberman.

More progressives and less DLC types in congress would have meant not needing to water it down that far even.

A triggered public option is still a public option and therefore, not a lie.

Try again.
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  -When the Repukes took congress in '94, How far left did it push the Dems? WonderGrunion  Jan-17-10 09:19 AM   #0 
  - Tu as raison. Tienes razon.  MineralMan   Jan-17-10 09:21 AM   #1 
  - So them dems move right if they lose seats AND they move right if they win a majority?  leeroysphitz   Jan-17-10 09:24 AM   #2 
  - Get MORE involved and elect MORE progressives.  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 09:30 AM   #4 
  - Isn't it strange how so many seem unable to figure that one out themselves? n/t  Bodhi BloodWave   Jan-17-10 09:33 AM   #5 
  - If they admitted it to themselves, they'd see they have to take responsibility.  LoZoccolo   Jan-17-10 09:44 AM   #9 
  - Oh no! It's the party's fault  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 10:23 AM   #24 
  - Amen!  treestar   Jan-17-10 10:45 AM   #34 
  - That's why I spelled it out.  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 10:12 AM   #22 
  - Easier said then done when our politicians break their promises.  last1standing   Jan-17-10 10:41 AM   #32 
  - You mean people who the party actively submarines?  Raineyb   Jan-17-10 01:14 PM   #58 
     - Once again, if you've waited until election season then you've already lost.  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 01:27 PM   #62 
        - And the machine that's there when there is no election is no friend of progressives either.  Raineyb   Jan-17-10 02:02 PM   #66 
  - And what are you doing to correct that?  MineralMan   Jan-17-10 09:37 AM   #7 
  - The only bad thing about Al Franken as Senator is...  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 09:41 AM   #8 
  - There is that, of course, but I'll take the hit to have him in the  MineralMan   Jan-17-10 09:49 AM   # 
  - What am I doing? Well for starters....  leeroysphitz   Jan-17-10 09:56 AM   #17 
     - Your role is limited because you only vote every couple of years  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 10:00 AM   #19 
     - You think that's all you can do? Vote? How silly.  MineralMan   Jan-17-10 10:24 AM   #25 
        - Let me see if I understand you. If I am not devoting 168+ hours per week to taking  leeroysphitz   Jan-17-10 12:42 PM   #46 
           - You spend 168+ hours a week arguing on the internet?  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 12:53 PM   #49 
              - Your response reminds me of /Happy Gilmore/.  LoZoccolo   Jan-17-10 12:57 PM   #53 
  - Right. The best part of that jedi mind trick is that it is ALWAYS YOUR FAULT.  Edweird   Jan-17-10 10:20 AM   #23 
  - The more progressive you vote into office...  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 10:26 AM   #26 
  - No, I'm pissed because I was lied to.  Edweird   Jan-17-10 10:27 AM   #27 
     - I've worked in retail too long to buy that line  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 10:30 AM   #28 
        - Ah. Ok, so please decifer this for me, oh great one.  Edweird   Jan-17-10 10:33 AM   #29 
        - What I saw on the video  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 10:38 AM   #31 
           - "you only chose to listen to what you wanted to hear". Mmhmm. Project much?  Edweird   Jan-17-10 10:46 AM   #35 
           - How is what I said wrong.  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 11:11 AM   #38 
           - Obama..actively discouraging...public insurance option  Edweird   Jan-17-10 10:51 AM   #36 
              - That article shows Obama's support for a Triggered PO  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 10:55 AM   #37 
                 - No, sorry. Either there is a public option, or there isn't.  Edweird   Jan-17-10 11:14 AM   #40 
                    - You're right. A triggered Public Option IS a Public Option  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 11:17 AM   #41 
                       - I can see you are having a hard time understanding things. Maybe this will help you.  Edweird   Jan-17-10 11:27 AM   #42 
                          - You post a lot of links. Do you have any opinions of your own?  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 12:51 PM   #48 
                             - Uh, do what now? Are you 'multi-tasking' or something?  Edweird   Jan-17-10 01:05 PM   #57 
                                - Ed, I usually put someone on ignore when the call Obama a liar  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 01:20 PM   #60 
                                   - I see. You're going to an "example" of me? Is that some kind of threat?  Edweird   Jan-17-10 01:53 PM   #64 
        - This is the best point in the best goddammed OP this week.  cliffordu   Jan-17-10 01:01 PM   #55 
           - Thanks Cliffordu  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 01:15 PM   #59 
  - Ain't that the truth. Perfectly explained! nt  laughingliberal   Jan-17-10 10:38 AM   #30 
  - Abso-freakin-lutely!  DisgustedInMN   Jan-17-10 11:27 AM   #43 
  - +1  FLAprogressive   Jan-18-10 12:42 PM   #80 
  - That does seem to generally be the case  Blasphemer   Jan-17-10 01:20 PM   #61 
  - Amen.  ClassWarrior   Jan-17-10 09:25 AM   #3 
  - What does NGU mean?  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 09:36 AM   #6 
     - Never give up. nt  tblue37   Jan-17-10 09:48 AM   #11 
        - Excellent!  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 09:55 AM   #15 
           - Oh, sorry. People do often ask for clarification of the initialisms  tblue37   Jan-18-10 12:40 PM   #79 
  - K&R!!!!  NJmaverick   Jan-17-10 09:45 AM   #10 
  - Well..  DisgustedInMN   Jan-17-10 09:49 AM   #12 
  - Democratic precinct and senate district caucuses are on  MineralMan   Jan-17-10 09:50 AM   #13 
  - Well friend..  DisgustedInMN   Jan-17-10 09:55 AM   #16 
     - Good. So was I. And I'll be there again on Feb. 2.  MineralMan   Jan-17-10 10:00 AM   #20 
  - I don't think the browbeating was worthless.  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 09:53 AM   #14 
  - The Dems became the party of "ME, TOO!!!" we got all kinds of ass kissing  old mark   Jan-17-10 09:59 AM   #18 
  - And ultimately, we got Shrub.  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 10:02 AM   #21 
  - Exactly  treestar   Jan-17-10 10:43 AM   #33 
  - Even as a naive 18 year old in 1994 I knew it would turn the Dems more conservative  Jennicut   Jan-17-10 11:13 AM   #39 
  - I was younger than 18 at the time  Grand Taurean   Jan-17-10 11:58 PM   #71 
  - You remember poorly  jgraz   Jan-17-10 12:14 PM   #44 
  - Repukes took congress because the dems were moving right  anonymous171   Jan-17-10 12:15 PM   #45 
  - I'm not sure it was the fact that the dems were moving right  Proud Liberal Dem   Jan-17-10 12:58 PM   #54 
     - Bill Clinton signed NAFTA in 93, which made the paranoid right go into a frenzy  anonymous171   Jan-17-10 01:03 PM   #56 
     - Along with DADT and HillaryCare.  jgraz   Jan-17-10 01:57 PM   #65 
     - I don't know about NAFTA sending the paranoid right go into a frenzy  Proud Liberal Dem   Jan-17-10 11:26 PM   #70 
     - Clinton didn't even threaten a VETO. NT  ShortnFiery   Jan-18-10 12:03 AM   #73 
     - EXCELLENT POST!  Cosmocat   Jan-17-10 01:39 PM   #63 
        - Thanks  Proud Liberal Dem   Jan-17-10 06:06 PM   #67 
  - I usually respond to all my replies  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 12:50 PM   #47 
  - What would you call a fact like this, one that puts to death the notion that  cliffordu   Jan-17-10 12:53 PM   #50 
  - A truism.  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 12:54 PM   #51 
     - Thank you.  cliffordu   Jan-17-10 12:55 PM   #52 
        - 2010 is not 1994  WinterParkDonkey   Jan-17-10 06:17 PM   #68 
  - Bump for the evening shift  WonderGrunion   Jan-17-10 09:37 PM   #69 
  - If both sides are in bed with Corporations and promote fascism, does it  ShortnFiery   Jan-18-10 12:02 AM   #72 
  - I agree  DeadEyeDyck   Jan-18-10 12:06 AM   #74 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-18-10 12:16 AM   #75 
  - That may be what you remember, but it's still wrong.  Greyhound   Jan-18-10 12:32 AM   #76 
     - Gun control was the biggest reason for the losses  WonderGrunion   Jan-18-10 04:54 AM   #77 
        - That is your perspective, as is assigning the AWB the label of "liberal legislation",  Greyhound   Jan-18-10 11:28 AM   #78 
 

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