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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Not exactly
The two/thirds rule only applies to rules changes mid-session.

The Senate can write its own rules at the start of each session with a bare majority, 51 votes.

Alternately, if the chair (the President of the Senate aka the Vice President), rules that the filibuster is out of order and unconstitutional, that can be sustained by a bare majority, ending the filibuster. That's the nuclear option, which the Republicans tried in '05 but failed when 7 Republicans defected, leaving them 2 votes short.

Now, it's still a very heavy lift. And I don't think it could happen right now.

When Tom Harkin and, ironically, Joe Lieberman, proposed ending the filibuster at the start of the 1995-1997 term, they only got 17 votes.

But getting to 51 votes is a hell of a lot easier than 67. And a sustained campaign makes it possible. Harkin has already said he will propose ending the filibuster again and while few think he'll succeed he'll almost certainly get more than 17 votes this time according to most Senate observers.
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  -If the system is broken, what do we do to fix it??? Ozymanithrax  Jan-16-10 03:25 PM   #0 
  - Educate locally. All elections are local.  MineralMan   Jan-16-10 03:29 PM   #1 
  - Actually, I think politics works like religion in the maze of the mind...  Ozymanithrax   Jan-16-10 03:47 PM   #17 
  - Sad truth  Jkid   Jan-16-10 06:58 PM   #32 
  - Government seizure of the corporations.  timeforpeace   Jan-16-10 03:29 PM   #2 
  - Ain't happening.  MineralMan   Jan-16-10 03:30 PM   #3 
  - That amounts to a full blown civil war and won't happen.  Ozymanithrax   Jan-16-10 03:40 PM   #8 
  - Own shares in publicly traded companies and vote those shares according to your values.  sharesunited   Jan-16-10 03:57 PM   #24 
  - End the fucking filibuster.  liberalpragmatist   Jan-16-10 03:31 PM   #4 
  - To do that, we'll need a 2/3 majority.  MineralMan   Jan-16-10 03:35 PM   #6 
  - Not exactly  liberalpragmatist   Jan-16-10 03:42 PM   #10 
     - It still won't happen. It's a tradition thing. What might just be  MineralMan   Jan-16-10 03:44 PM   #13 
        - "It won't happen."  liberalpragmatist   Jan-16-10 03:48 PM   #19 
           - Having marched in Selma in 1965, I know about civil rights  MineralMan   Jan-16-10 06:53 PM   #27 
           - Agreed.  liberalpragmatist   Jan-17-10 01:39 AM   #34 
           - Filibuster  Kalun D   Jan-17-10 02:25 AM   #43 
  - Good idea but you need 66 votes in the Senate to end the fillibuster...  Ozymanithrax   Jan-16-10 03:41 PM   #9 
  - See above  liberalpragmatist   Jan-16-10 03:43 PM   #11 
  - That is a good point cogently made  treestar   Jan-16-10 03:50 PM   #21 
  - #1, amend the constitution to remove the electoral college  WeDidIt   Jan-16-10 03:35 PM   #5 
  - Impossible. You need 2/3 of congress and  MineralMan   Jan-16-10 03:37 PM   #7 
  - Two possibilities  liberalpragmatist   Jan-16-10 03:47 PM   #16 
  - Do it or the system remains the same  WeDidIt   Jan-16-10 03:49 PM   #20 
  - Actually what you really would need is proportional representation  liberalpragmatist   Jan-16-10 03:59 PM   #25 
  - That system has led to the USA having a black President.  MineralMan   Jan-16-10 06:55 PM   #28 
  - It's funny how, in your world, *EVERYTHING* is impossible.  Tesha   Jan-17-10 01:08 PM   #46 
  - Mineral Man #7 is right. It is near impossible to ammend the Constitution.  Ozymanithrax   Jan-16-10 03:44 PM   #12 
  - I don't think the system is the problem.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jan-16-10 03:45 PM   #14 
  - See my #1. That's the only solution.  MineralMan   Jan-16-10 03:47 PM   #15 
  - Then who do we fix the voters?  Ozymanithrax   Jan-16-10 03:48 PM   #18 
  - If I knew how to fix 'em, they wouldn't be a problem.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jan-16-10 03:53 PM   #23 
  - Education.  MineralMan   Jan-16-10 06:55 PM   #29 
  - I think that's true  treestar   Jan-16-10 03:52 PM   #22 
  - The voters clearly indicated they wanted major changes in the last election..  Fumesucker   Jan-17-10 01:52 AM   #37 
     - They've gotten lots of change.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jan-17-10 02:23 PM   #47 
        - I have no control over what my fellow voters do..  Fumesucker   Jan-17-10 04:28 PM   #48 
           - and Obama can't control other Senators either, the Dems are elected the same way Republicans are  JI7   Jan-17-10 08:42 PM   #49 
              - I think Obama could have made far more use of "the bully pulpit"..  Fumesucker   Jan-17-10 09:30 PM   #53 
  - Primary every incumbent  notesdev   Jan-16-10 04:17 PM   #26 
  - Utter nonsense.  MineralMan   Jan-16-10 06:56 PM   #30 
  - It's a set of structural problems that are unfixable  depakid   Jan-16-10 06:57 PM   #31 
  - Election Reform.  crispini   Jan-16-10 07:00 PM   #33 
  - kicked and recommended  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-17-10 01:40 AM   #35 
  - They can start by reinstating Glass-Steagall, putting the public option back in the health insurance  Nikki Stone1   Jan-17-10 01:46 AM   #36 
  - Shorten The Campaign Season.  KharmaTrain   Jan-17-10 01:57 AM   #38 
  - Organize grassroots demonstrations?  renegade000   Jan-17-10 02:04 AM   #39 
  - Find People...  voc   Jan-17-10 02:11 AM   #40 
  - It is NOT a grass roots problem: it's the people who get in office and their $$$ masters  Nikki Stone1   Jan-17-10 02:12 AM   #41 
  - A vareity of things  Juche   Jan-17-10 02:16 AM   #42 
  - organize & resist. it's as simple & difficult as that.  Hannah Bell   Jan-17-10 04:55 AM   #44 
  - Good question  okie   Jan-17-10 06:08 AM   #45 
  - Armed struggle. n/t  leeroysphitz   Jan-17-10 08:45 PM   #50 
  - Change th maximum poltical donation to $1.  LostInAnomie   Jan-17-10 08:46 PM   #51 
  - I am at the point where I am gritting my teeth and waiting for the USA to learn  Mari333   Jan-17-10 08:46 PM   #52 
  - Nothing we do will fix anything until we have fair elections  happy_liberal   Jan-17-10 11:36 PM   #54 
  - Public campaign financing.  suede1   Jan-18-10 12:03 AM   #55 
  - A few ideas  Lurks Often   Jan-18-10 01:00 AM   #56 

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