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Fri Jan-15-10 07:23 AM
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...with the reason for real progressives to vote for Brown.So, to recap.... No Coakley, no cloture. No cloture, no HCR. No HCR, no GOP blowout in the House in 2010, or Dem loss of the Senate, or loss of the WH in 2012. So, the only way to save the party is to vote against it. In the most liberal state in the Union. QED. And it would be much easier to get real HCR through the Senate with a reduced majority. 59 > 60. We went through the looking glass so long ago, you can't even see it in the rear-view mirror any more. |
| -The Massachussetts election should be a wakeup call to Progressive Democrats |
cap |
Jan-15-10 06:57 AM |
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It should be, and it most likely will be for most, however, there is a group think among some of the |
still_one |
Jan-15-10 07:04 AM |
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The self destructive folks are the "leaders" in the party who think they can backslap their base |
depakid |
Jan-15-10 07:24 AM |
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Yes, but as I say downthread, it's possible a loss of this seat is what some Democrats want |
closeupready |
Jan-15-10 09:49 AM |
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Couldn't agree more depakid. |
LooseWilly |
Jan-16-10 12:46 AM |
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Oh what a crock |
bread_and_roses |
Jan-15-10 07:27 AM |
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+1 |
Le Taz Hot |
Jan-15-10 08:40 AM |
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+1 |
flyarm |
Jan-15-10 09:02 AM |
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Bravo! |
TorchTheWitch |
Jan-15-10 03:13 PM |
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Bottom line: the "Ds" of whom you speak are well-employed with Healthcare |
CakeGrrl |
Jan-15-10 03:26 PM |
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The Congressional Dems who lose their seats because of Progressive Apathy WON'T still have JOBS. |
LooseWilly |
Jan-16-10 12:53 AM |
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Like the "voter ID" some talked about, they wont care because they already have it/can afford it |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-16-10 03:57 AM |
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+100 |
WillyT |
Jan-16-10 02:03 AM |
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+1 |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-16-10 03:54 AM |
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!!! |
SammyWinstonJack |
Jan-16-10 11:00 AM |
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I am a flaming radical liberal and I vote. don't blame me if this election |
roguevalley |
Jan-16-10 12:40 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jan-15-10 07:04 AM |
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DU comes through! ... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Jan-15-10 07:23 AM |
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Actually, a Paleologos poll |
Betty Karlson |
Jan-15-10 08:48 AM |
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that's because bitterness makes people advocate stupid things... |
dionysus |
Jan-15-10 11:19 AM |
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The exact same thought crossed my mind, if it's any consolation. |
LooseWilly |
Jan-16-10 12:57 AM |
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Yep...We'll Show Us... |
KharmaTrain |
Jan-15-10 07:30 AM |
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I don't know.. |
DisgustedInMN |
Jan-15-10 08:35 AM |
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The DLC will be pleased with an MA loss because it will decrease the expectations of actually.... |
JVS |
Jan-15-10 08:48 AM |
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So I'm Gonna Take My Ball And Go Home... |
KharmaTrain |
Jan-15-10 08:53 AM |
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What a ... |
DisgustedInMN |
Jan-15-10 08:58 AM |
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So Your Suggestions Are??? |
KharmaTrain |
Jan-15-10 09:07 AM |
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Double posted (deleted) |
DisgustedInMN |
Jan-15-10 09:26 AM |
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My suggestions? |
DisgustedInMN |
Jan-15-10 09:28 AM |
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Nope... |
KharmaTrain |
Jan-15-10 09:36 AM |
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If you need to ask who... |
DisgustedInMN |
Jan-15-10 09:42 AM |
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amen |
Mari333 |
Jan-16-10 11:03 AM |
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wait a minute here..It was Rahm that told Liberals to kiss his ass.. |
flyarm |
Jan-15-10 09:28 AM |
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Whose Blaming Who??? |
KharmaTrain |
Jan-15-10 09:57 AM |
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wow..is all i can say..you really think Americans are stupid! and that surprises me.. not! eom |
flyarm |
Jan-15-10 10:13 AM |
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Yes indeed. |
DisgustedInMN |
Jan-15-10 10:26 AM |
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Who's blaming who? -You are joining Rahm and the "common wisdom" in blaming "liberals". |
LooseWilly |
Jan-16-10 01:42 AM |
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Simple Math... |
KharmaTrain |
Jan-16-10 01:58 AM |
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I made no assumptions as to what you believe... but thanks for making that assumption. |
LooseWilly |
Jan-16-10 03:35 AM |
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Hope You Feel Better Now... |
KharmaTrain |
Jan-16-10 04:06 AM |
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Maybe a loss in MA will force the dems to act like dems, really listen to their base. |
PFunk |
Jan-15-10 07:56 AM |
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They may even want to lose the seat - they can play from both sides of the deck |
closeupready |
Jan-15-10 09:47 AM |
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If the GOP wins, then the Dems will not be able to act |
NJmaverick |
Jan-15-10 11:54 AM |
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You would think that would be obvious /nt |
still_one |
Jan-15-10 02:05 PM |
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When is Obama scheduled to go up there to campaign for her? |
dgibby |
Jan-15-10 08:26 AM |
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they asked him not to! seems he will make it alot worse for her! seems they need to send the BIG DOG |
flyarm |
Jan-15-10 09:45 AM |
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The way many of these posts read, if Coakley wins, it'll be a real letdown |
DFW |
Jan-15-10 08:42 AM |
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no dear..this was the let down.. |
flyarm |
Jan-15-10 09:48 AM |
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Allow me to add ... |
Laelth |
Jan-15-10 10:33 AM |
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yes indeed..and to think I used to be proud to be a liberal..in the old DEMOCRATIC PARTY.. |
flyarm |
Jan-15-10 11:25 AM |
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I don't see what Rahm Emanuel has to do with the Senate Election in MA |
DFW |
Jan-15-10 01:39 PM |
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No, it's a wakeup call to the Corporcrat Dems |
Larkspur |
Jan-15-10 08:44 AM |
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+ + + + + + + + + + + |
Faryn Balyncd |
Jan-15-10 09:50 AM |
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+10,000!!! |
flyarm |
Jan-15-10 09:56 AM |
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++1 |
leftstreet |
Jan-15-10 02:46 PM |
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If it weren't for what you call "Romney-care," I would have no health insurance. |
Kat45 |
Jan-16-10 02:13 AM |
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It should be. But it won't |
Juche |
Jan-16-10 04:02 AM |
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I seem to recall Progressives getting off their tails in |
dbt |
Jan-15-10 08:45 AM |
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Yes it is that 60th vote they want to distance themselves from. A more evenly divided Senate |
closeupready |
Jan-15-10 10:05 AM |
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meh |
mdmc |
Jan-15-10 10:06 AM |
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Wake up call for PROGRESSIVES??!!!..LOL |
bvar22 |
Jan-15-10 11:18 AM |
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Hear, hear! |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jan-15-10 11:57 AM |
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+1 for the TRUTH. n/t |
Laelth |
Jan-15-10 12:14 PM |
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You speak for me! +1000000000! |
scarletwoman |
Jan-15-10 12:20 PM |
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Your cogency I fail to match. Bravo sir. Double plus agreement. |
LooseWilly |
Jan-16-10 01:50 AM |
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EXACTLY! nt |
Raine |
Jan-16-10 03:53 AM |
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why should progressives care about a 60th vote that will help pursue |
WT Fuheck |
Jan-15-10 11:27 AM |
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Progressive want to progress and work for it. If not they aren't |
SargeUNN |
Jan-15-10 11:43 AM |
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Yes, you are correct |
NJmaverick |
Jan-15-10 11:56 AM |
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The non-progressives have already taken over the Party. |
Laelth |
Jan-15-10 12:18 PM |
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is this the kind of change you suggest we should embrace? Is this progress? |
flyarm |
Jan-15-10 12:21 PM |
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um... no... it's a wake up to moderates who discourage voters |
fascisthunter |
Jan-15-10 11:49 AM |
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I'm not sure I would vote for her either |
EmeraldCityGrl |
Jan-15-10 12:07 PM |
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I suspect this says more about the HCR bill than anything else... |
LooseWilly |
Jan-16-10 01:56 AM |
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Exactly... I bet any Republican will flip to guarantee its passage just like they did with FISA. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-16-10 04:04 AM |
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What, that polls and elections still can be rigged? |
Matariki |
Jan-15-10 12:23 PM |
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Is Coakley a progressive? |
invictus |
Jan-15-10 12:28 PM |
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* crickets chirping * I didn't think so. |
invictus |
Jan-15-10 09:27 PM |
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if we wait for the Corporate Dems, we will go nowhere |
cap |
Jan-15-10 02:43 PM |
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Progressive democrats don't want this giveaway to health insurance companies passed |
Nikki Stone1 |
Jan-15-10 03:02 PM |
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Progressive democrats should be more fearful of having a republican |
AuntPatsy |
Jan-15-10 03:25 PM |
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Why? Because the Democrats have been so good to people? |
Nikki Stone1 |
Jan-15-10 03:43 PM |
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piss and moan piss and moan.... |
RBInMaine |
Jan-15-10 05:40 PM |
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Remain blind and watch your money be taken |
Nikki Stone1 |
Jan-15-10 07:18 PM |
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Then stop pissing and moaning go do something about it. Bitching solves nada. |
RBInMaine |
Jan-16-10 11:47 AM |
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Honestly Nikki, I am not trying to scare anyone, I am stating facts and you very well know it when |
AuntPatsy |
Jan-15-10 06:28 PM |
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Aunt Pasty, you well know that corporate servitude is NOT a Democratic value...at least |
Nikki Stone1 |
Jan-15-10 07:20 PM |
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It doesn't matter, because Dems are on track to lose several more seats in Nov. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jan-16-10 04:07 AM |
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The wake up call is not to the progressive base, but to the corporate puppetmasters. |
David Zephyr |
Jan-15-10 03:17 PM |
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I am saying that we need to clean up after people in our own party |
cap |
Jan-15-10 05:37 PM |
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Fuck the 60 vote myth. |
Sebastian Doyle |
Jan-16-10 01:06 AM |
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Many changed their minds on EFCA when they got 60 votes |
Juche |
Jan-16-10 04:07 AM |
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We need to get behind EFCA |
cap |
Jan-16-10 10:55 AM |
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Obama and "the Centrists"... |
bvar22 |
Jan-16-10 09:44 PM |
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I'm with you, brother. |
DisgustedInMN |
Jan-16-10 06:12 AM |
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Are you proposing solely the primary as means of "cleaning up after people in our own party"? |
LooseWilly |
Jan-16-10 02:23 AM |
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sitting on our tail buys us nothing |
cap |
Jan-16-10 10:53 AM |
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Good, BUT, some districts will never, ever, ever vote for "progressives" and this is what "progres- |
RBInMaine |
Jan-16-10 11:52 AM |
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This is not the problem of the progressives, or the conservadems, or Obama, or the DNC, or us -- |
smalll |
Jan-16-10 12:50 AM |
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Every Dem in Mass. should get out and vote and make sure all their fanily and freinds do as well. |
GreenTea |
Jan-16-10 03:15 AM |
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The democrats don't want the 60th vote. They need an excuse for being |
B Calm |
Jan-16-10 06:16 AM |
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Your're nutty as a fruitcake. When was the last time you ran for office? Or are you too "cowardly"? |
RBInMaine |
Jan-16-10 11:49 AM |
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Wow. . . feel better? |
B Calm |
Jan-16-10 01:24 PM |
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