The Backlash Cometh
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Wed Jan-13-10 12:31 PM
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This is a critical discussion because it is an argument I've been hearing for more than ten years. Extreme right-wingers have made that claim. We are a Republic, not a Democracy. But they use it to justify things like State's Rights and property rights. Of course, "States Rights" is just a way to weaken rule from Washington D.C. -- and then "property rights" is a way to weaken the rule from the State.
When you get to the base of the people who are making these claims, in Florida you're usually looking at anglo-American Republicans who are very attached to land issues. Judges and lawyers who own land, law firms who handle real estate issues. This is the source of the groups who are controlling the State legislature. And, at least one in Central Florida has been operating in a quasi-secretive way.
I like that you brought the issue up, but it may be too abstract to be applied easily.
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| -Privatizing Our Rights; Calling BS on "The USA is a republic, not a democracy" |
Land Shark |
Jan-13-10 12:08 PM |
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K&R (that one always drives me nuts!) |
FiveGoodMen |
Jan-13-10 12:22 PM |
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Land Shark, |
The Backlash Cometh |
Jan-13-10 12:31 PM |
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It's readily applied by rebutting ideas contrary to the OP when they come up, for example |
Land Shark |
Jan-13-10 01:02 PM |
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I understand what you're saying, but I've seen many right-wingers |
The Backlash Cometh |
Jan-13-10 03:09 PM |
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Oh, it can be made more concrete. But, I never expect opponents to be left speechless |
Land Shark |
Jan-13-10 03:44 PM |
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However, the argument that the nation is a Republic helps the cause of |
truedelphi |
Jan-13-10 01:59 PM |
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I don't see any way in which"republic" helps that couldn't utilize defn's or equivalent terms |
2 Much Tribulation |
Jan-13-10 02:26 PM |
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It was one of Rush Limbaugh's talking points years ago. No doubt still is. |
glitch |
Jan-13-10 12:46 PM |
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The United States |
gorfle |
Jan-13-10 12:49 PM |
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"Representative Democracy" can be substituted for "Republic" because of overlapping equal definition |
Land Shark |
Jan-13-10 01:09 PM |
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Distinctions like this ARE made. |
gorfle |
Jan-13-10 01:23 PM |
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I'd be real surprised if you had more contact with "the world" but perhaps you do |
Land Shark |
Jan-13-10 03:52 PM |
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Whatever. |
gorfle |
Jan-13-10 05:10 PM |
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CIte anybody you want, it's not an IMPORTANT point with power. |
Land Shark |
Jan-13-10 08:08 PM |
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If you want to continue the subthread, start with "this distinction is important Because..." |
Land Shark |
Jan-13-10 08:18 PM |
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I would not let an American Citizen out of |
annabanana |
Jan-13-10 01:07 PM |
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The social price of lacking Continuing Competency in rights is Continuing Violations of rights |
Land Shark |
Jan-13-10 01:20 PM |
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Oh gawd I hate those people... |
Libertas1776 |
Jan-13-10 01:38 PM |
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+1 for defending liberty! |
appal_jack |
Jan-13-10 04:39 PM |
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Thanks so much for this, appal_jack! n/t |
Land Shark |
Jan-13-10 08:06 PM |
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Very good for junior high level civics. |
grantcart |
Jan-13-10 08:41 PM |
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Your points about ethnic cleansing and redefining terms are off the wall |
Land Shark |
Jan-13-10 08:53 PM |
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A Bill of Rights is somewhat limited in a pure democracy. The majority can change it |
Gormy Cuss |
Jan-13-10 09:01 PM |
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I didn't read the detailed minutae because your first sentence and the |
grantcart |
Jan-13-10 09:12 PM |
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You shore killed the hell out of this thread. |
cliffordu |
Jan-14-10 12:37 AM |
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Agreed. The first words in the Constitution are "WE THE PEOPLE"... |
JackRiddler |
Jan-14-10 12:42 AM |
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