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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 03:31 PM
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14. I'd embrace anything that had a chance to work at this point...
The HCR debate and twists/turns has become the most bizarre episode of Twilight Zone, imo...
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  -Check my logic! They must treat you in ER. Therefore, it is a right. Gman2  Jan-12-10 03:12 PM   #0 
  - We currently have the worst socialized medicine possible  mdmc   Jan-12-10 03:15 PM   #1 
  - My point though, is the logical turn. If one is moral and legal, so is the other.  Gman2   Jan-12-10 03:16 PM   #2 
     - their argument is that it is a matter of degree  Motown_Johnny   Jan-12-10 03:23 PM   #10 
     - NOPE, they cant. Those that cant afford HC, will accept all relevant care.  Gman2   Jan-12-10 03:30 PM   #13 
        - they will say "that is what Medicaid is for"  Motown_Johnny   Jan-12-10 03:43 PM   #18 
           - Then you ask, is that right, that we have that program, given that it is assuming a right to care?  Gman2   Jan-12-10 03:53 PM   #21 
     - not only is it moral and justified (as the status quo is what is being advocated)  mdmc   Jan-12-10 03:25 PM   #11 
  - ER's HAVE to treat you, yes. But then they have every right to charge you  kestrel91316   Jan-12-10 03:16 PM   #3 
  - there is the precedence...  fascisthunter   Jan-12-10 03:17 PM   #4 
  - Maybe they have to treat you, but then they can take your house, car,and anything else you have.  robinlynne   Jan-12-10 03:18 PM   #5 
  - But the right exists. And no matter the imperfection of BK, that is ability to pay.  Gman2   Jan-12-10 03:36 PM   #16 
  - "You gottum" ... Indubitably! (n/t)  thotzRthingz   Jan-12-10 03:18 PM   #6 
  - Check my logic  Motown_Johnny   Jan-12-10 03:19 PM   #7 
  - They must cart off your body to potter's field or cremation...  hlthe2b   Jan-12-10 03:19 PM   #8 
  - I above most understand that ER care is inadequate. My point is logical.  Gman2   Jan-12-10 03:26 PM   #12 
     - I'd embrace anything that had a chance to work at this point...  hlthe2b   Jan-12-10 03:31 PM   #14 
        - If we could establish HC as a right, and not have dumbass GOP able to argue against, we are done.  Gman2   Jan-12-10 03:32 PM   #15 
  - More like a 'mandate.'  elleng   Jan-12-10 03:22 PM   #9 
  - Just because something is a "right" doesn't mean it's gonna be free  madville   Jan-12-10 03:41 PM   #17 
  - You shifted the debate. If stabilization is the law, why isnt required care?  Gman2   Jan-12-10 03:47 PM   #19 
  - Because the law does not require it  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-12-10 03:50 PM   #20 
  - It can be unaffordable and a right at the same time  madville   Jan-12-10 03:56 PM   #23 
     - But I've already got you on my logic. Then, we go from there.  Gman2   Jan-12-10 03:58 PM   #24 
     - Laws and rights are different things  madville   Jan-12-10 04:03 PM   #26 
        - Exactly, you just said that we have a right to care, and they have a right to get paid.  Gman2   Jan-12-10 04:08 PM   #28 
           - I agree  madville   Jan-12-10 04:14 PM   #31 
     - And how to make it affordable to someone who's broke? Ill and broke?  Gman2   Jan-12-10 04:03 PM   #25 
        - Through subsidies or programs like medicaid/medicare  madville   Jan-12-10 04:07 PM   #27 
           - And when we determine that those are inadequate, and lead many to poverty?  Gman2   Jan-12-10 04:10 PM   #30 
  - Then we need to stop stabilizing accident victims immediately, if they cannot prove payment.  Gman2   Jan-12-10 03:54 PM   #22 
  - EMTALA can easily be repealed-  depakid   Jan-12-10 04:10 PM   #29 
  - What about  Coyote_Bandit   Jan-12-10 04:15 PM   #32 
     - You know damn well that Con respect thingie doesnt extend there.  Gman2   Jan-12-10 04:17 PM   #33 
        - My bad  Coyote_Bandit   Jan-12-10 04:57 PM   #34 

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