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Fri Jan-08-10 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #34 |
| 132. Why just engineers and scientists? |
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Wouldn't your theory apply to just anyone? Only the French should teach French (H-1b I guess?  ) Only writers should teach literature and grammar. Only athletes should teach gym. |
| -Train new teachers? There are 100K unemployed engineers and scientists that could use the jobs |
thunder rising |
Jan-07-10 11:17 PM |
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They're unqualified, don't you know |
LearnedHand |
Jan-07-10 11:22 PM |
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Make them take 4 years of 'education' classes! Ugh! |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-07-10 11:25 PM |
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Your sarcasm smiley is unnecessary |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-07-10 11:29 PM |
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Won't work. |
cloudbase |
Jan-07-10 11:45 PM |
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It's very sad that an educational degree |
LearnedHand |
Jan-07-10 11:52 PM |
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Actually trying to teach without actually learning how to teach is a recipe for disaster |
MadHound |
Jan-07-10 11:23 PM |
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I call BS on that. I have taught 2nd graders and Jr high. My students scored higher on every test. |
thunder rising |
Jan-07-10 11:27 PM |
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Bullshit |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-07-10 11:31 PM |
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Let's see there are 2 factors, first the subject matter and 2nd the ability to teach |
thunder rising |
Jan-07-10 11:34 PM |
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You don't know squat about jr high kids OR 2nd graders |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-07-10 11:35 PM |
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do too ... do not .. apparently one of us knows 2nd grade. |
thunder rising |
Jan-07-10 11:41 PM |
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I'm sure you know a lot about it since it's obvious you spent more than a year or two |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-07-10 11:44 PM |
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Yet again, I'm floored by your deep insight and gift of the language. Please continue... |
thunder rising |
Jan-07-10 11:51 PM |
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I know that from what I've seen of your responses to this sub-thread, you'd lose all |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jan-08-10 12:16 AM |
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Can I watch? |
LWolf |
Jan-08-10 10:49 AM |
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Oh, I know about life outside the classroom, |
MadHound |
Jan-07-10 11:41 PM |
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Touché MadHound: |
Dinger |
Jan-07-10 11:53 PM |
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These "teachers" are not very gifted at arguement. I guess that comes from Ed classes |
thunder rising |
Jan-07-10 11:55 PM |
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I apologize in advance, |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-08-10 06:40 PM |
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No need to apologize, I laugh about it all the time, |
MadHound |
Jan-09-10 07:16 AM |
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Homer's favorite donuts |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-09-10 02:14 PM |
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Tell me what you know about identifying learning issues and meeting the different learning |
RayOfHope |
Jan-08-10 06:56 AM |
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Not to mention modifying curriculum to meet the needs of sped kids |
Catshrink |
Jan-08-10 09:08 PM |
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+ Infinity |
Dinger |
Jan-07-10 11:50 PM |
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They act about the same..... |
Mopar151 |
Jan-08-10 12:08 AM |
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Yeah, right, I have no idea what I'm talking about, what the fuck ever |
MadHound |
Jan-07-10 11:33 PM |
#24 |
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Tunnel vision. Job protection. Whatever? |
thunder rising |
Jan-07-10 11:35 PM |
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No, simply trying to protect kids from idiots who think that because they know the content area |
MadHound |
Jan-07-10 11:42 PM |
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But as a non-teacher all you can do is regurgitate what you know |
treestar |
Jan-08-10 11:35 AM |
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Try teaching adults in a vocational setting like I did. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jan-08-10 12:14 AM |
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Scored higher than what? |
ChoralScholar |
Jan-08-10 12:36 AM |
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Sure they did |
PVnRT |
Jan-08-10 06:31 AM |
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As someone who taught for 11 years, and was good at it, |
Ms. Toad |
Jan-08-10 08:29 AM |
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Most college professors have no formal training in teaching. |
undeterred |
Jan-08-10 09:17 AM |
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and it shows... nt |
dtsteelsmith |
Jan-08-10 09:54 AM |
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Sad, but true. |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-08-10 11:13 AM |
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Engineers and scientists are grossly over qualified and student are under prepared to learn. n/t |
CK_John |
Jan-07-10 11:23 PM |
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I found the kids inquisitive and motivated. |
thunder rising |
Jan-07-10 11:49 PM |
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My high school in Va. Beach had a lot of retired Navy officers teaching. They were very good. |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-07-10 11:24 PM |
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What High School did you go to? |
arcadian |
Jan-07-10 11:26 PM |
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Bayside! Beat FC in tennis twice in my senior year....nt |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-07-10 11:27 PM |
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Dang. awesome |
arcadian |
Jan-07-10 11:55 PM |
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At least we both hate Cox and PA! Cheers! |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-07-10 11:56 PM |
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The districts were redrawn |
arcadian |
Jan-08-10 12:13 AM |
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They prefer educators |
sandnsea |
Jan-07-10 11:25 PM |
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True. But the talent pool needs to be dramatically widened. Folks/women who became |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-07-10 11:27 PM |
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And women who were mothers |
sandnsea |
Jan-07-10 11:37 PM |
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I have several family members who teach elem school and high school. The |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-07-10 11:49 PM |
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Gee, sounds like the solution is that we need to pay teachers more, like the professionals they are, |
MadHound |
Jan-08-10 07:08 AM |
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This is the answer. |
Pithlet |
Jan-08-10 10:54 AM |
#124 |
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A lot of the male teachers 40 years ago were beating the draft |
era veteran |
Jan-08-10 02:48 PM |
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And all that and Johnny still can't read or get into college. I'd say something is wrong. |
thunder rising |
Jan-08-10 12:02 AM |
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Hey, my ex is a now a first year chemistry teacher..... |
Mind_your_head |
Jan-07-10 11:25 PM |
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"foreign recruits"? |
frazzled |
Jan-07-10 11:26 PM |
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Oh BS, the local school was filled with Mexicans who can't even teach the kids in English! |
JVS |
Jan-07-10 11:28 PM |
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Really? So, I supposed the fantasized H1-B teachers that sign 2 contracts don't exist |
thunder rising |
Jan-07-10 11:29 PM |
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LOL, the dreaded H-1Bs! |
treestar |
Jan-08-10 11:40 AM |
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It takes a lot more than knowledge of subject matter to be a good teacher |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-07-10 11:27 PM |
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There are a lot of certified teachers that have neither. At least an engineer knows the topic. |
thunder rising |
Jan-07-10 11:30 PM |
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What a load of horse pucky |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-07-10 11:34 PM |
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Engineers and scientists just picked their titles up off gum wrappers? |
thunder rising |
Jan-07-10 11:37 PM |
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Only the ones posting crap like you are posting |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-07-10 11:41 PM |
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You're really a teacher? Wow, I love your gift of conversation. Does it work in the classroom? |
thunder rising |
Jan-07-10 11:44 PM |
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I'm smart enough not to start asshole threads attacking an entire profession |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-07-10 11:48 PM |
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I really don't see you a person with your imature debate skills can be a teacher. "Time out chair"? |
thunder rising |
Jan-07-10 11:59 PM |
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Why just engineers and scientists? |
treestar |
Jan-08-10 11:43 AM |
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How is it... |
FLDCVADem |
Jan-08-10 05:48 AM |
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Because to become a teacher you're doing a lot more than "passing a test" |
MadHound |
Jan-08-10 07:12 AM |
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Yes, I understand that |
FLDCVADem |
Jan-08-10 07:30 AM |
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Engineers have college degrees, advanced degrees and pass multiple competency tests |
Dappleganger |
Jan-08-10 08:44 PM |
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Prove it |
PVnRT |
Jan-08-10 06:33 AM |
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What high horse are you riding that... |
YvonneCa |
Jan-08-10 06:44 PM |
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that is the key is`t it..... |
madrchsod |
Jan-07-10 11:36 PM |
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I study history because of several wonderful HS teachers... |
a la izquierda |
Jan-08-10 06:55 AM |
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Knowing how to teach something you don't understand? I'm sorry that's just funny. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jan-08-10 12:31 AM |
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It isn't easy but a lot of Engineering professionals have had to teach in their |
harun |
Jan-08-10 06:26 AM |
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And again, those engineers that are "teaching" you are dealing with adults, not children |
MadHound |
Jan-08-10 07:15 AM |
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Yah, I was thinking more of teaching older people. As an |
harun |
Jan-08-10 08:49 AM |
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Agree! |
tango-tee |
Jan-08-10 07:05 AM |
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MORE important? |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-08-10 08:12 PM |
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Certainly... and the one of the biggest factors is desire to make sure students learn |
salin |
Jan-08-10 08:52 PM |
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Why do people assume that pedagogy is not a legitimate requirement to teach? |
JVS |
Jan-07-10 11:27 PM |
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Because college professors get NO training, and some are very good. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-07-10 11:28 PM |
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Most are very good. Some are crap. |
thunder rising |
Jan-07-10 11:31 PM |
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Same as high school. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-07-10 11:32 PM |
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Students can't drop and join another section in HS |
JVS |
Jan-07-10 11:41 PM |
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Good point. n/t |
janx |
Jan-07-10 11:44 PM |
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True. But I didn't do that in college. That's only an option in freshman level classes in |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-07-10 11:45 PM |
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And generally it is accepted that more mature students are capable of doing more work independently. |
JVS |
Jan-07-10 11:57 PM |
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I expect it of the 18-year-old freshmen or even high school concurrent |
janx |
Jan-08-10 12:04 AM |
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You know what makes a lot of disciplinary issues fall away |
JVS |
Jan-08-10 12:08 AM |
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They should be dismissed. |
janx |
Jan-08-10 12:19 AM |
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I'm happy I don't teach in such a situation either. |
JVS |
Jan-08-10 12:23 AM |
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That environment has to change. |
janx |
Jan-08-10 12:34 AM |
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This is the very reason |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-08-10 08:24 PM |
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Oh Janx, to avoid misunderstanding. |
JVS |
Jan-08-10 12:12 AM |
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That's exactly my experience. I had the guy that lines the football field draw two huge parallel |
thunder rising |
Jan-08-10 12:13 AM |
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They do--except that I don't refer to my students as kids, |
janx |
Jan-08-10 12:35 AM |
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I called mine 'ladies' and 'gentlemen'. Treated them like adults. I'd also |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-08-10 06:43 AM |
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In reference to discipline, yes. But you can't succeed in science and math |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-08-10 06:41 AM |
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Damn right--and I'm one of them! |
janx |
Jan-07-10 11:32 PM |
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I was one, too. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-07-10 11:34 PM |
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what do you teach ? |
JI7 |
Jan-07-10 11:34 PM |
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College English (writing). I work full time but am paid part-time wages. |
janx |
Jan-07-10 11:37 PM |
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oh no.....my worst subject! |
madrchsod |
Jan-07-10 11:39 PM |
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What is that supposed to mean? |
janx |
Jan-07-10 11:41 PM |
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i could graduate from my community college if i could pass 103 |
madrchsod |
Jan-07-10 11:48 PM |
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You don't know where I teach. |
janx |
Jan-07-10 11:53 PM |
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Did you take it that way? |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-08-10 08:29 PM |
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Did you take it that way? |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-08-10 08:29 PM |
#145 |
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Not too old at all |
lolly |
Jan-08-10 08:46 PM |
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Many get some training, as graduate students, |
janx |
Jan-07-10 11:39 PM |
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I don't know anyone who did. I sure didn't. As a TA I was just tossed |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-07-10 11:47 PM |
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What was your grad program in and what course did they toss you into? |
JVS |
Jan-07-10 11:49 PM |
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I've got better stuft to lie about. Poli Sci. Teaching assistant. No preparation for |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-07-10 11:51 PM |
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Did they have a course description written and a selection of texts for you, or... |
JVS |
Jan-08-10 12:01 AM |
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I did not choose texts. Most were chosen as the semester began. We were given no guidance on |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-08-10 06:37 AM |
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But that's not the case with education professors |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-07-10 11:50 PM |
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That depends on the university and the program and the teacher. There's no rule. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-07-10 11:52 PM |
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Yes there is at least one rule. The department assigns you something and makes sure you are... |
JVS |
Jan-08-10 12:03 AM |
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NO. They do not make sure you are competent. That is most certainly |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-08-10 06:35 AM |
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Well...it depends on how one defines training. |
janx |
Jan-07-10 11:50 PM |
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That's bullshit. Most professors get apprenticed into teaching and thus get guidance along the way. |
JVS |
Jan-07-10 11:41 PM |
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No, that is not true. Perhaps at your university, but not at most. I've |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-07-10 11:54 PM |
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Depends on the university |
lolly |
Jan-08-10 08:41 PM |
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Which is actually a problem, especially with TAs who do most of the teaching |
PVnRT |
Jan-08-10 06:35 AM |
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In economics and sciences, the language/understanding barrier between TAs and students |
Captain Hilts |
Jan-08-10 06:38 AM |
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Because they are ignorant |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-07-10 11:42 PM |
#45 |
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I agree to a point ,many people who have great skill or |
rwheeler31 |
Jan-07-10 11:35 PM |
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I personally know 2 unemployed engineers who want to teach math and can't |
pissedoff01 |
Jan-07-10 11:38 PM |
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Make that 3 ... thunder rising is sitting on the sidelines listening to how their are no teachers |
thunder rising |
Jan-07-10 11:41 PM |
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"there," "their" and "they're" are different words |
Generic Other |
Jan-08-10 08:02 AM |
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And there are hundreds more who have done the grunt work |
tonysam |
Jan-08-10 12:25 AM |
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I know you mean well... |
Dappleganger |
Jan-08-10 08:46 PM |
#152 |
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In the state of Arkansas, |
ChoralScholar |
Jan-08-10 12:48 AM |
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That sounds like a good plan. |
etherealtruth |
Jan-09-10 08:34 AM |
#157 |
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now if we had universal health-care and a government investment program.... |
madrchsod |
Jan-07-10 11:43 PM |
#47 |
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Unrec (nt) |
Dinger |
Jan-07-10 11:48 PM |
#56 |
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Stay the hell out of education--Please |
tonysam |
Jan-08-10 12:15 AM |
#84 |
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Then why are the school districts importing H1-Bs? |
thunder rising |
Jan-08-10 05:40 AM |
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Please provide evidence of your claim |
PVnRT |
Jan-08-10 06:36 AM |
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A few districts are actually hiring Filipinos to take spec ed jobs |
tonysam |
Jan-08-10 09:43 AM |
#118 |
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Here's a list of many specialties; including special ed and math |
thunder rising |
Jan-08-10 11:23 AM |
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It depends on how motivated and how much they would like/love to teach. I had |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jan-08-10 07:18 AM |
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It can also depend on what |
TicketyBoo |
Jan-08-10 08:42 PM |
#147 |
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School districts across the country recruit Filipino teachers to fill shortages in math, science : |
pissedoff01 |
Jan-08-10 09:47 AM |
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New interesting question |
treestar |
Jan-08-10 11:49 AM |
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I think it would be fine to use anyone with at least a bachelor's degree |
ddeclue |
Jan-08-10 09:50 AM |
#120 |
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Why do you assume that teachers are "trained" |
LWolf |
Jan-08-10 10:48 AM |
#122 |
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There are plenty of teaching jobs... |
The Midway Rebel |
Jan-08-10 10:57 AM |
#125 |
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I know it is hard to shake the media propaganda of lots of teaching jobs, |
tonysam |
Jan-08-10 06:49 PM |
#140 |
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Article dead link: error 404 |
The Midway Rebel |
Jan-09-10 11:51 AM |
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My experience with Engineers |
BlueCollar |
Jan-08-10 11:31 AM |
#128 |
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I beg to differ! |
janx |
Jan-09-10 10:58 AM |
#159 |
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"...and some of the students there are very good at it." |
BlueCollar |
Jan-09-10 08:57 PM |
#163 |
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Where is this coming from? |
treestar |
Jan-08-10 11:33 AM |
#129 |
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well i am an engineer and I have taught adults and children informally |
dugaresa |
Jan-08-10 11:55 AM |
#134 |
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You agree with Governor Daniels's Supt. of Education |
AwakeAtLast |
Jan-08-10 02:03 PM |
#135 |
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Aren't we supposed to have an engineering shortage right now? |
anonymous171 |
Jan-08-10 02:49 PM |
#137 |
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There aren't any teaching jobs to be had right now. |
LeftyMom |
Jan-08-10 08:26 PM |
#143 |
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My husband is way overqualified |
Dappleganger |
Jan-08-10 08:43 PM |
#148 |
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haven't heard of schools hiring cheap foreign recruits in the midwest... |
salin |
Jan-08-10 08:45 PM |
#150 |
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They would ALL have to become State certified anyway and get paid at union scale. |
DailyGrind51 |
Jan-09-10 08:09 AM |
#156 |
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sounds about right. |
salin |
Jan-09-10 09:57 AM |
#158 |
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"Engineers make great teachers because they actually know WHY the science is used." |
dysfunctional press |
Jan-09-10 11:06 AM |
#160 |
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