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43. What is that supposed to mean?
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  -Train new teachers? There are 100K unemployed engineers and scientists that could use the jobs thunder rising  Jan-07-10 11:17 PM   #0 
  - They're unqualified, don't you know  LearnedHand   Jan-07-10 11:22 PM   #1 
  - Make them take 4 years of 'education' classes! Ugh!  Captain Hilts   Jan-07-10 11:25 PM   #6 
  - Your sarcasm smiley is unnecessary  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-07-10 11:29 PM   #18 
  - Won't work.  cloudbase   Jan-07-10 11:45 PM   #51 
     - It's very sad that an educational degree  LearnedHand   Jan-07-10 11:52 PM   #66 
  - Actually trying to teach without actually learning how to teach is a recipe for disaster  MadHound   Jan-07-10 11:23 PM   #2 
  - I call BS on that. I have taught 2nd graders and Jr high. My students scored higher on every test.  thunder rising   Jan-07-10 11:27 PM   #11 
  - Bullshit  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-07-10 11:31 PM   #20 
  - Let's see there are 2 factors, first the subject matter and 2nd the ability to teach  thunder rising   Jan-07-10 11:34 PM   #26 
  - You don't know squat about jr high kids OR 2nd graders  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-07-10 11:35 PM   #31 
  - do too ... do not .. apparently one of us knows 2nd grade.  thunder rising   Jan-07-10 11:41 PM   # 
  - I'm sure you know a lot about it since it's obvious you spent more than a year or two  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-07-10 11:44 PM   #48 
  - Yet again, I'm floored by your deep insight and gift of the language. Please continue...  thunder rising   Jan-07-10 11:51 PM   #64 
  - I know that from what I've seen of your responses to this sub-thread, you'd lose all  cherokeeprogressive   Jan-08-10 12:16 AM   #85 
  - Can I watch?  LWolf   Jan-08-10 10:49 AM   #123 
  - Oh, I know about life outside the classroom,  MadHound   Jan-07-10 11:41 PM   #42 
  - Touch MadHound:  Dinger   Jan-07-10 11:53 PM   #67 
  - These "teachers" are not very gifted at arguement. I guess that comes from Ed classes  thunder rising   Jan-07-10 11:55 PM   # 
  - I apologize in advance,  TicketyBoo   Jan-08-10 06:40 PM   #138 
     - No need to apologize, I laugh about it all the time,  MadHound   Jan-09-10 07:16 AM   #155 
        - Homer's favorite donuts  TicketyBoo   Jan-09-10 02:14 PM   #162 
  - Tell me what you know about identifying learning issues and meeting the different learning  RayOfHope   Jan-08-10 06:56 AM   #107 
     - Not to mention modifying curriculum to meet the needs of sped kids  Catshrink   Jan-08-10 09:08 PM   #154 
  - + Infinity  Dinger   Jan-07-10 11:50 PM   #61 
  - They act about the same.....  Mopar151   Jan-08-10 12:08 AM   #79 
  - Yeah, right, I have no idea what I'm talking about, what the fuck ever  MadHound   Jan-07-10 11:33 PM   #24 
  - Tunnel vision. Job protection. Whatever?  thunder rising   Jan-07-10 11:35 PM   #30 
  - No, simply trying to protect kids from idiots who think that because they know the content area  MadHound   Jan-07-10 11:42 PM   #46 
  - But as a non-teacher all you can do is regurgitate what you know  treestar   Jan-08-10 11:35 AM   #130 
  - Try teaching adults in a vocational setting like I did.  cherokeeprogressive   Jan-08-10 12:14 AM   #83 
  - Scored higher than what?  ChoralScholar   Jan-08-10 12:36 AM   #92 
  - Sure they did  PVnRT   Jan-08-10 06:31 AM   #97 
  - As someone who taught for 11 years, and was good at it,  Ms. Toad   Jan-08-10 08:29 AM   #115 
  - Most college professors have no formal training in teaching.  undeterred   Jan-08-10 09:17 AM   #117 
     - and it shows... nt  dtsteelsmith   Jan-08-10 09:54 AM   #121 
        - Sad, but true.  GoCubsGo   Jan-08-10 11:13 AM   #126 
  - Engineers and scientists are grossly over qualified and student are under prepared to learn. n/t  CK_John   Jan-07-10 11:23 PM   #3 
  - I found the kids inquisitive and motivated.  thunder rising   Jan-07-10 11:49 PM   #58 
  - My high school in Va. Beach had a lot of retired Navy officers teaching. They were very good.  Captain Hilts   Jan-07-10 11:24 PM   #4 
  - What High School did you go to?  arcadian   Jan-07-10 11:26 PM   #8 
     - Bayside! Beat FC in tennis twice in my senior year....nt  Captain Hilts   Jan-07-10 11:27 PM   #14 
        - Dang. awesome  arcadian   Jan-07-10 11:55 PM   #70 
           - At least we both hate Cox and PA! Cheers!  Captain Hilts   Jan-07-10 11:56 PM   #71 
              - The districts were redrawn  arcadian   Jan-08-10 12:13 AM   #82 
  - They prefer educators  sandnsea   Jan-07-10 11:25 PM   #5 
  - True. But the talent pool needs to be dramatically widened. Folks/women who became  Captain Hilts   Jan-07-10 11:27 PM   #12 
  - And women who were mothers  sandnsea   Jan-07-10 11:37 PM   #35 
  - I have several family members who teach elem school and high school. The  Captain Hilts   Jan-07-10 11:49 PM   #59 
     - Gee, sounds like the solution is that we need to pay teachers more, like the professionals they are,  MadHound   Jan-08-10 07:08 AM   #109 
        - This is the answer.  Pithlet   Jan-08-10 10:54 AM   #124 
  - A lot of the male teachers 40 years ago were beating the draft  era veteran   Jan-08-10 02:48 PM   #136 
  - And all that and Johnny still can't read or get into college. I'd say something is wrong.  thunder rising   Jan-08-10 12:02 AM   #75 
  - Hey, my ex is a now a first year chemistry teacher.....  Mind_your_head   Jan-07-10 11:25 PM   #7 
  - "foreign recruits"?  frazzled   Jan-07-10 11:26 PM   #9 
  - Oh BS, the local school was filled with Mexicans who can't even teach the kids in English!  JVS   Jan-07-10 11:28 PM   #15 
  - Really? So, I supposed the fantasized H1-B teachers that sign 2 contracts don't exist  thunder rising   Jan-07-10 11:29 PM   #17 
     - LOL, the dreaded H-1Bs!  treestar   Jan-08-10 11:40 AM   #131 
  - It takes a lot more than knowledge of subject matter to be a good teacher  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-07-10 11:27 PM   #10 
  - There are a lot of certified teachers that have neither. At least an engineer knows the topic.  thunder rising   Jan-07-10 11:30 PM   #19 
  - What a load of horse pucky  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-07-10 11:34 PM   #28 
  - Engineers and scientists just picked their titles up off gum wrappers?  thunder rising   Jan-07-10 11:37 PM   #34 
  - Only the ones posting crap like you are posting  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-07-10 11:41 PM   #40 
  - You're really a teacher? Wow, I love your gift of conversation. Does it work in the classroom?  thunder rising   Jan-07-10 11:44 PM   #49 
     - I'm smart enough not to start asshole threads attacking an entire profession  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-07-10 11:48 PM   #55 
        - I really don't see you a person with your imature debate skills can be a teacher. "Time out chair"?  thunder rising   Jan-07-10 11:59 PM   #73 
  - Why just engineers and scientists?  treestar   Jan-08-10 11:43 AM   #132 
  - How is it...  FLDCVADem   Jan-08-10 05:48 AM   #95 
  - Because to become a teacher you're doing a lot more than "passing a test"  MadHound   Jan-08-10 07:12 AM   #110 
     - Yes, I understand that  FLDCVADem   Jan-08-10 07:30 AM   #113 
  - Engineers have college degrees, advanced degrees and pass multiple competency tests  Dappleganger   Jan-08-10 08:44 PM   #149 
  - Prove it  PVnRT   Jan-08-10 06:33 AM   #98 
  - What high horse are you riding that...  YvonneCa   Jan-08-10 06:44 PM   #139 
  - that is the key is`t it.....  madrchsod   Jan-07-10 11:36 PM   #32 
  - I study history because of several wonderful HS teachers...  a la izquierda   Jan-08-10 06:55 AM   #106 
  - Knowing how to teach something you don't understand? I'm sorry that's just funny.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-08-10 12:31 AM   #89 
  - It isn't easy but a lot of Engineering professionals have had to teach in their  harun   Jan-08-10 06:26 AM   #96 
  - And again, those engineers that are "teaching" you are dealing with adults, not children  MadHound   Jan-08-10 07:15 AM   #111 
     - Yah, I was thinking more of teaching older people. As an  harun   Jan-08-10 08:49 AM   #116 
  - Agree!  tango-tee   Jan-08-10 07:05 AM   #108 
  - MORE important?  TicketyBoo   Jan-08-10 08:12 PM   #141 
  - Certainly... and the one of the biggest factors is desire to make sure students learn  salin   Jan-08-10 08:52 PM   #153 
  - Why do people assume that pedagogy is not a legitimate requirement to teach?  JVS   Jan-07-10 11:27 PM   #13 
  - Because college professors get NO training, and some are very good. nt  Captain Hilts   Jan-07-10 11:28 PM   #16 
  - Most are very good. Some are crap.  thunder rising   Jan-07-10 11:31 PM   #21 
  - Same as high school. nt  Captain Hilts   Jan-07-10 11:32 PM   #22 
     - Students can't drop and join another section in HS  JVS   Jan-07-10 11:41 PM   #44 
        - Good point. n/t  janx   Jan-07-10 11:44 PM   #50 
        - True. But I didn't do that in college. That's only an option in freshman level classes in  Captain Hilts   Jan-07-10 11:45 PM   #52 
           - And generally it is accepted that more mature students are capable of doing more work independently.  JVS   Jan-07-10 11:57 PM   #72 
              - I expect it of the 18-year-old freshmen or even high school concurrent  janx   Jan-08-10 12:04 AM   #77 
              - You know what makes a lot of disciplinary issues fall away  JVS   Jan-08-10 12:08 AM   #78 
              - They should be dismissed.  janx   Jan-08-10 12:19 AM   #86 
              - I'm happy I don't teach in such a situation either.  JVS   Jan-08-10 12:23 AM   #87 
                 - That environment has to change.  janx   Jan-08-10 12:34 AM   #90 
              - This is the very reason  TicketyBoo   Jan-08-10 08:24 PM   #142 
              - Oh Janx, to avoid misunderstanding.  JVS   Jan-08-10 12:12 AM   #80 
              - That's exactly my experience. I had the guy that lines the football field draw two huge parallel  thunder rising   Jan-08-10 12:13 AM   #81 
                 - They do--except that I don't refer to my students as kids,  janx   Jan-08-10 12:35 AM   #91 
                    - I called mine 'ladies' and 'gentlemen'. Treated them like adults. I'd also  Captain Hilts   Jan-08-10 06:43 AM   #105 
              - In reference to discipline, yes. But you can't succeed in science and math  Captain Hilts   Jan-08-10 06:41 AM   #104 
  - Damn right--and I'm one of them!  janx   Jan-07-10 11:32 PM   #23 
  - I was one, too. nt  Captain Hilts   Jan-07-10 11:34 PM   #25 
  - what do you teach ?  JI7   Jan-07-10 11:34 PM   #27 
     - College English (writing). I work full time but am paid part-time wages.  janx   Jan-07-10 11:37 PM   #33 
        - oh no.....my worst subject!  madrchsod   Jan-07-10 11:39 PM   #37 
           - What is that supposed to mean?  janx   Jan-07-10 11:41 PM   #43 
              - i could graduate from my community college if i could pass 103  madrchsod   Jan-07-10 11:48 PM   #54 
                 - You don't know where I teach.  janx   Jan-07-10 11:53 PM   #68 
                 - Did you take it that way?  TicketyBoo   Jan-08-10 08:29 PM   #144 
                 - Did you take it that way?  TicketyBoo   Jan-08-10 08:29 PM   #145 
                 - Not too old at all  lolly   Jan-08-10 08:46 PM   #151 
  - Many get some training, as graduate students,  janx   Jan-07-10 11:39 PM   #38 
  - I don't know anyone who did. I sure didn't. As a TA I was just tossed  Captain Hilts   Jan-07-10 11:47 PM   #53 
     - What was your grad program in and what course did they toss you into?  JVS   Jan-07-10 11:49 PM   #57 
     - I've got better stuft to lie about. Poli Sci. Teaching assistant. No preparation for  Captain Hilts   Jan-07-10 11:51 PM   #63 
        - Did they have a course description written and a selection of texts for you, or...  JVS   Jan-08-10 12:01 AM   #74 
           - I did not choose texts. Most were chosen as the semester began. We were given no guidance on  Captain Hilts   Jan-08-10 06:37 AM   #102 
     - But that's not the case with education professors  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-07-10 11:50 PM   #60 
     - That depends on the university and the program and the teacher. There's no rule. nt  Captain Hilts   Jan-07-10 11:52 PM   #65 
        - Yes there is at least one rule. The department assigns you something and makes sure you are...  JVS   Jan-08-10 12:03 AM   #76 
           - NO. They do not make sure you are competent. That is most certainly  Captain Hilts   Jan-08-10 06:35 AM   #100 
     - Well...it depends on how one defines training.  janx   Jan-07-10 11:50 PM   #62 
  - That's bullshit. Most professors get apprenticed into teaching and thus get guidance along the way.  JVS   Jan-07-10 11:41 PM   #41 
  - No, that is not true. Perhaps at your university, but not at most. I've  Captain Hilts   Jan-07-10 11:54 PM   #69 
  - Depends on the university  lolly   Jan-08-10 08:41 PM   #146 
  - Which is actually a problem, especially with TAs who do most of the teaching  PVnRT   Jan-08-10 06:35 AM   #99 
     - In economics and sciences, the language/understanding barrier between TAs and students  Captain Hilts   Jan-08-10 06:38 AM   #103 
  - Because they are ignorant  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-07-10 11:42 PM   #45 
  - I agree to a point ,many people who have great skill or  rwheeler31   Jan-07-10 11:35 PM   #29 
  - I personally know 2 unemployed engineers who want to teach math and can't  pissedoff01   Jan-07-10 11:38 PM   #36 
  - Make that 3 ... thunder rising is sitting on the sidelines listening to how their are no teachers  thunder rising   Jan-07-10 11:41 PM   #39 
  - "there," "their" and "they're" are different words  Generic Other   Jan-08-10 08:02 AM   #114 
  - And there are hundreds more who have done the grunt work  tonysam   Jan-08-10 12:25 AM   #88 
  - I know you mean well...  Dappleganger   Jan-08-10 08:46 PM   #152 
  - In the state of Arkansas,  ChoralScholar   Jan-08-10 12:48 AM   #93 
     - That sounds like a good plan.  etherealtruth   Jan-09-10 08:34 AM   #157 
  - now if we had universal health-care and a government investment program....  madrchsod   Jan-07-10 11:43 PM   #47 
  - Unrec (nt)  Dinger   Jan-07-10 11:48 PM   #56 
  - Stay the hell out of education--Please  tonysam   Jan-08-10 12:15 AM   #84 
  - Then why are the school districts importing H1-Bs?  thunder rising   Jan-08-10 05:40 AM   #94 
     - Please provide evidence of your claim  PVnRT   Jan-08-10 06:36 AM   #101 
        - A few districts are actually hiring Filipinos to take spec ed jobs  tonysam   Jan-08-10 09:43 AM   #118 
        - Here's a list of many specialties; including special ed and math  thunder rising   Jan-08-10 11:23 AM   #127 
  - It depends on how motivated and how much they would like/love to teach. I had  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jan-08-10 07:18 AM   #112 
  - It can also depend on what  TicketyBoo   Jan-08-10 08:42 PM   #147 
  - School districts across the country recruit Filipino teachers to fill shortages in math, science :  pissedoff01   Jan-08-10 09:47 AM   #119 
  - New interesting question  treestar   Jan-08-10 11:49 AM   #133 
  - I think it would be fine to use anyone with at least a bachelor's degree  ddeclue   Jan-08-10 09:50 AM   #120 
  - Why do you assume that teachers are "trained"  LWolf   Jan-08-10 10:48 AM   #122 
  - There are plenty of teaching jobs...  The Midway Rebel   Jan-08-10 10:57 AM   #125 
  - I know it is hard to shake the media propaganda of lots of teaching jobs,  tonysam   Jan-08-10 06:49 PM   #140 
     - Article dead link: error 404  The Midway Rebel   Jan-09-10 11:51 AM   #161 
  - My experience with Engineers  BlueCollar   Jan-08-10 11:31 AM   #128 
  - I beg to differ!  janx   Jan-09-10 10:58 AM   #159 
     - "...and some of the students there are very good at it."  BlueCollar   Jan-09-10 08:57 PM   #163 
  - Where is this coming from?  treestar   Jan-08-10 11:33 AM   #129 
  - well i am an engineer and I have taught adults and children informally  dugaresa   Jan-08-10 11:55 AM   #134 
  - You agree with Governor Daniels's Supt. of Education  AwakeAtLast   Jan-08-10 02:03 PM   #135 
  - Aren't we supposed to have an engineering shortage right now?  anonymous171   Jan-08-10 02:49 PM   #137 
  - There aren't any teaching jobs to be had right now.  LeftyMom   Jan-08-10 08:26 PM   #143 
  - My husband is way overqualified  Dappleganger   Jan-08-10 08:43 PM   #148 
  - haven't heard of schools hiring cheap foreign recruits in the midwest...  salin   Jan-08-10 08:45 PM   #150 
  - They would ALL have to become State certified anyway and get paid at union scale.  DailyGrind51   Jan-09-10 08:09 AM   #156 
     - sounds about right.  salin   Jan-09-10 09:57 AM   #158 
  - "Engineers make great teachers because they actually know WHY the science is used."  dysfunctional press   Jan-09-10 11:06 AM   #160 
 

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