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63. Children's Education & Welfare Fund Tax
It's proven that a disincentive will discourage people from having children.

What we'd want to do is to discourage people from having more children, unless they REALLY want them. If they want children, then they need to accept the consequences and responsibilities. However, you can't just chase after people with a big stick, you need some honey too. Therefore here is my proposal.

There will be a tax on the parental income (both male and female) of any child born in the United States. This includes a child given up for adoption. This money will be placed into a fund that the government cannot touch. It belongs to the children. These funds go toward every child's education and other needs, and would ideally be enough to ensure that a child not only completes grade school but also is able to go to college. It will tax up to 8% of each parents income, scalable depending on the cost of covering the children in the system, with an additional 1% per additional child if the 8% mark is reached. Each parent will be sent a bill each month letting them know how much they owe to the Children's Education & Welfare Fund - this discourages them from having more children.

Those who choose NOT to have children will not pay this tax. Additionally, adoption will be made easier for families who want children. The tax will only apply to biological parents and not adoptive parents. Surgical procedures that sterilize adults (must be at least 21 to qualify) will be free and fully subsidized.

This is the best way to handle it within the United States. Those that wish to have children will have to learn to take the responsibilities along with it.
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  -Since it's clear that overpopulation exacerbates many problems, MineralMan  Jan-03-10 01:36 PM   #0 
  - Educate girls  LiberalEsto   Jan-03-10 01:51 PM   #1 
  - Really. Girls? Not boys?  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 01:54 PM   #5 
  - Boys usually get what is available in education before the girls do in those  Cleita   Jan-03-10 02:00 PM   #13 
  - There were studies in the 1980s and 90s showing that when girls are taught  clear eye   Jan-03-10 04:49 PM   #119 
  - Not only that give them access to women's health clinics that enable  Cleita   Jan-03-10 01:56 PM   #7 
  - There's a great idea. Perhaps we could also work to decrease  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 02:00 PM   #14 
     - Catholics  BeFree   Jan-03-10 03:03 PM   #71 
     - China is the single place where there is reproductive control  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 03:12 PM   #76 
        - Japan is over populated  BeFree   Jan-03-10 03:23 PM   #88 
        - japan is losing population.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 03:27 PM   #89 
           - Yup. Their birth rate is very low, which is causing some  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 03:29 PM   #91 
              - Why?  BeFree   Jan-03-10 03:43 PM   #94 
                 - Because housing and living expenses are at a premium  SPedigrees   Jan-03-10 04:12 PM   #99 
                 - So  BeFree   Jan-03-10 04:18 PM   #102 
                 - us population would be declining too, if not for immigration. Birthrates  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 04:29 PM   #110 
                 - Incorrect; US births are still considerably more than deaths  muriel_volestrangler   Jan-04-10 08:09 AM   #202 
                 - Kind of, in part. The USA has a culture of arrogance while  SPedigrees   Jan-03-10 04:31 PM   #113 
                    - Japan's birthrate has more to do with economics than "culture of arrogance/responsibility".  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 06:21 PM   #132 
                 - Sorry but the Catholic religion does have an impact on the availability of birth control  clear eye   Jan-03-10 04:44 PM   #116 
                    - See the exploding population rates among Catholics in Italy and Spain  AngryAmish   Jan-03-10 04:58 PM   #122 
                    - catholic countries have some of the lowest fertility rates in the world.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 06:26 PM   #134 
                    - Only in highly educated, more prosperous European countries  clear eye   Jan-03-10 08:01 PM   #159 
                       - yes, "highly educated, more prosperous european countries" like poland, brazil, mexico  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 10:51 PM   #170 
                          - Poland not relevant.  clear eye   Jan-04-10 09:07 AM   #208 
                    - Hell, in parts of Mexico, tampons are sinful...  a la izquierda   Jan-04-10 07:25 AM   #201 
                 - Catholicism has absolutely nothing to do with Japan.  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 06:53 PM   #146 
                    - "crowded conditions" & "economic difficulties" have little to do with it either.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 11:20 PM   #176 
        - There was a single child per couple quota under Mao.  SPedigrees   Jan-03-10 04:15 PM   #101 
        - "rather late" - no. transition occurred just slightly later than us/europe.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 04:31 PM   #112 
        - catholic countries have some of the lowest birthrates in the world.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 06:40 PM   #143 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-10 11:24 PM   #178 
  - Yes, and then get them into the labor force  HereSince1628   Jan-03-10 02:41 PM   #41 
  - rather the decreased utility & increased cost of child-rearing in modernizing urbanizing  Hannah Bell   Jan-04-10 06:59 AM   #198 
  - Bingo. n/t  Greyhound   Jan-03-10 09:01 PM   #162 
  - +1000  amborin   Jan-03-10 09:07 PM   #163 
  - +1,000; the education of/status of/rights of women is what makes the difference.  LeftinOH   Jan-05-10 10:03 AM   #221 
  - For years I was a proponent of population control.  SPedigrees   Jan-03-10 01:52 PM   #2 
  - I've contributed to it by one. A Dugger, I'm not.  notadmblnd   Jan-03-10 01:56 PM   #8 
  - Well, you've done your part, I think, as long as that continues.  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 01:58 PM   #12 
     - I'm post menopausal, so my part and my hubby's is permanent. nt  SPedigrees   Jan-03-10 04:19 PM   #104 
  - Controlling reproduction is impossible. The thing about this is,  Subdivisions   Jan-03-10 01:53 PM   #3 
  - Yeah? How has that worked out so far, then?  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 01:57 PM   #10 
  - Hi MM. Easter Island isn't a theory. They used up all their resources and  Subdivisions   Jan-03-10 02:12 PM   #21 
     - I disagree. I believe that education and assistance with  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 02:17 PM   #25 
     - The trouble is that the failure to limit reproduction tramples on my civil rights  SPedigrees   Jan-03-10 04:24 PM   #107 
     - A lot of truth, that. My favorite new line for the RW's who deride us for trying to 'save the earth'  laughingliberal   Jan-03-10 02:17 PM   #26 
     - That is a very good point. Truer words never spoken.  SPedigrees   Jan-03-10 04:42 PM   #114 
     - We need to reexamine what we call our "rights"...  Orsino   Jan-05-10 11:08 AM   #225 
  - impossible. that's why world fertility rate = 2.65 births/woman, expected to decline to 2.55  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 04:25 PM   #108 
     - Interesting website, Hannah. Tell me, is that expected reduction in the fertility  Subdivisions   Jan-03-10 04:48 PM   #118 
        - The result of the same social & economic changes that have produced  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 06:18 PM   #131 
  - did you watch Jessie Ventura's Conspiracy Theory last week?  notadmblnd   Jan-03-10 01:54 PM   #4 
  - I have far, far better things to do with my time than  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 01:56 PM   #6 
     - There was no need for your condesending remark  notadmblnd   Jan-03-10 02:00 PM   #15 
        - Jesse on TruTv  90-percent   Jan-03-10 02:09 PM   #19 
        - did you me to ask me this?  notadmblnd   Jan-03-10 02:14 PM   #23 
           - didn't mean to ask you specifically  90-percent   Jan-03-10 02:39 PM   #39 
        - You suggested that I watch a television show about a  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 02:13 PM   #22 
        - I didn't endorse it either way. I told you what it was about and said to take a look if you liked  notadmblnd   Jan-03-10 02:16 PM   #24 
           - The premise in what you said the show discussed  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 02:32 PM   #33 
              - go to- nevermind.  notadmblnd   Jan-03-10 04:11 PM   #98 
              - There would be plenty of deaths w/o those vaccines  SPedigrees   Jan-03-10 04:47 PM   #117 
        - Yeah  BeFree   Jan-03-10 03:07 PM   #74 
           - You consider a show on conspiracies an educational source?  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 03:13 PM   #77 
           - apparently he's the authority  notadmblnd   Jan-03-10 04:13 PM   #100 
              - Jesse Ventura is an authority on nothing.  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 06:57 PM   #147 
                 - I was talking about you  notadmblnd   Jan-03-10 08:44 PM   #161 
                    - Look, the only reason to watch a Ventura show on "vaccinations are killing us" is to laugh at it  muriel_volestrangler   Jan-04-10 08:22 AM   #203 
                       - if your critical reading skills were a little more honed,  notadmblnd   Jan-04-10 05:17 PM   #213 
                          - In #15, you described his program as a source of information  muriel_volestrangler   Jan-05-10 02:26 AM   #216 
                             - I did not. I said "if you believe him" in #15  notadmblnd   Jan-05-10 02:17 PM   #226 
  - Forcible sterilization of 1st worlders. Population crisis solved. nt  anonymous171   Jan-03-10 01:57 PM   #9 
  - With an attitude like that, you might as well be a fascist.  StarfarerBill   Jan-03-10 02:35 PM   #37 
  - I have an idea, let's castrate all males except the ones we deem acceptable  Cleita   Jan-03-10 03:14 PM   #78 
  - Ouch. Would we males who choose not to reproduce be considered acceptable?  StarfarerBill   Jan-03-10 04:07 PM   #96 
  - Maybe we could give you a choice then between an irreversible vasectomy  Cleita   Jan-03-10 04:09 PM   #97 
     - lol. I know, but if the government wants to give me a free, professional vasectomy,  StarfarerBill   Jan-03-10 04:18 PM   #103 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-10 11:03 PM   #172 
  - +1. or just the US, since they use about 20% of world resources.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 06:28 PM   #135 
  - Yep, the 1st worlders are the ones with the huge carbon footprint.  raccoon   Jan-04-10 08:38 AM   #204 
  - How about reducing resource consumption first  leftstreet   Jan-03-10 01:58 PM   #11 
  - Do it in a way that allows choice.  noamnety   Jan-03-10 02:04 PM   #16 
  - I agree. I also think the best sex education is math.  Gregorian   Jan-03-10 03:01 PM   #69 
  - Mother Nature does a good job of it herself  Cleita   Jan-03-10 02:07 PM   #17 
  - And yet, population continues to grow, and has done for a long, long  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 02:21 PM   #28 
  - I think your chart is a big disingenuous.  Cleita   Jan-03-10 02:33 PM   #34 
     - And yet, the world population continues, and continued, to grow  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 02:39 PM   #40 
        - If it were plotted from the dawn of humanity a few million years ago,  greyl   Jan-03-10 02:50 PM   #48 
        - There was a period at the dawn of mankind when our species was almost  Cleita   Jan-03-10 02:54 PM   #55 
           - I think you might have missed my point. nt  greyl   Jan-03-10 03:16 PM   #83 
              - Not really. n/t  Cleita   Jan-03-10 03:18 PM   #85 
        - no, in fact, the curve doesn't continue to steepen. global birth rate  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 06:32 PM   #137 
           - The total population curve continues to steepen. Sorry, but that's  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 06:59 PM   #148 
              - steeper curve = faster & faster rate of doubling. we've already passed the peak of the curve.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 09:35 PM   #165 
              - No, it started to flatten after 1989, even in the absolute population change  muriel_volestrangler   Jan-04-10 08:41 AM   #206 
  - And here is another chart, which shows population growth  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 02:24 PM   #29 
     - Here's an article with a more comprehensive chart than yours:  Cleita   Jan-03-10 02:52 PM   #51 
  - I commend you on you commitment to the cause...  Walk away   Jan-03-10 02:07 PM   #18 
  - Yes, I agree.  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 02:10 PM   #20 
  - Place one child limits at once  Don Caballero   Jan-03-10 02:19 PM   #27 
  - How about a reverse deduction on income taxes, instead of a  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 02:27 PM   #30 
  - The education limits would be unconstitutional.  tinrobot   Jan-03-10 02:49 PM   #47 
  - This would be a good start. nt  SPedigrees   Jan-03-10 04:51 PM   #120 
  - Oh brother, we get more and more like China every day. n/t  Cleita   Jan-03-10 02:28 PM   #31 
  - As much as China is criticized  Don Caballero   Jan-03-10 02:36 PM   #38 
  - Actually, if they had given women equal rights and access to  Cleita   Jan-03-10 03:00 PM   #65 
  - The reason for this thread is to get suggestions, not defeatism.  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 02:43 PM   #43 
     - Anything that suggests that treating women like they do in China to  Cleita   Jan-03-10 02:58 PM   #62 
        - Patriarchal.  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 03:11 PM   #75 
        - This is why women need equality under the law and the ability to tell  Cleita   Jan-03-10 03:18 PM   #84 
        - Well, I agree with that 100%.  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 03:28 PM   #90 
        - oh, i see your misunderstanding re: who shld get eduacted, stats show the more education girls get  bettyellen   Jan-03-10 04:20 PM   #105 
        - They treat men and animals just as badly as women in China.  SPedigrees   Jan-03-10 04:28 PM   #109 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-10 11:05 PM   #173 
  - getting medical care and birth control to impoverished nations  liberal_at_heart   Jan-03-10 02:29 PM   #32 
  - What about the population of the affluent nations?  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 02:33 PM   #35 
     - If you look at historical data you find that the birth rate of affluent nations has hit a plateau  liberal_at_heart   Jan-03-10 02:42 PM   #42 
     - Not so. Here's a chart showing US population over time.  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 02:46 PM   #44 
        - Your chart doesn't have a legend and you don't say where you get it from  liberal_at_heart   Jan-03-10 02:48 PM   #45 
        - By all means. Go find a population growth chart for the US and  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 02:52 PM   #52 
           - I'm not the best at searching on the internet but here are a couple of interesting links I found  liberal_at_heart   Jan-03-10 03:41 PM   #93 
        - That's a POPULATION chart, not a birthrate chart. If not for immigration  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 06:36 PM   #139 
           - I am less concerned with birthrate than I am with population.  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 07:02 PM   #149 
              - in fact, it's basically near or at replacement on every continent but africa.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 09:23 PM   #164 
     - Not true if you take births only into account. Births+immigration  kelly1mm   Jan-03-10 02:51 PM   #50 
  - If we really want to reverse the damages done by overpopulation, it must be a worldwide effort  Don Caballero   Jan-03-10 02:33 PM   #36 
  - You do realize how unconstitutional that would be don't you? nt  anonymous171   Jan-03-10 02:49 PM   #46 
  - When it comes to saving mankind  Don Caballero   Jan-03-10 02:51 PM   #49 
  - So we have to destroy the Constitution to save it. nt  anonymous171   Jan-03-10 02:53 PM   #53 
  - First of all I do not see anything I advocated as unconstitutional  Don Caballero   Jan-03-10 02:56 PM   #59 
     - Population controls would violate the right to privacy,  anonymous171   Jan-03-10 03:05 PM   #72 
     - I am very much in favor of abortion  Don Caballero   Jan-03-10 03:14 PM   #80 
     - The stress on the planet is a combination of population and use of resources..  Gormy Cuss   Jan-03-10 05:22 PM   #124 
        - I totally agree  Don Caballero   Jan-03-10 05:42 PM   #129 
  - Hey, George  spoony   Jan-04-10 08:44 AM   #207 
  - but if it's for the good of the nation or the good of the world then we don't need the constitution  liberal_at_heart   Jan-03-10 02:54 PM   #56 
  - we don't need a one child policy. we're already at replacement rate.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 06:38 PM   #141 
  - Over 50 posts and not one mention of "religion"  KansDem   Jan-03-10 02:53 PM   #54 
  - Not true, #18 mentions it. nt  anonymous171   Jan-03-10 02:55 PM   #57 
  - Sorry...thanks for the correction...  KansDem   Jan-03-10 03:00 PM   #67 
  - See #14 and the post it replies to.  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 02:56 PM   #60 
  - See no. 67  KansDem   Jan-03-10 03:02 PM   #70 
     - See #57  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 07:12 PM   #154 
  - Staying within Constitutional guidelines...  dems_rightnow   Jan-03-10 02:58 PM   #61 
  - Make religion a non-issue for people who don't follow  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 03:22 PM   #87 
  - The first few posts including the OP mentions it. n/t  Cleita   Jan-03-10 03:01 PM   #68 
  - It is interesting. Of my own and my husband's immediate families  SPedigrees   Jan-03-10 05:00 PM   #123 
  - religion has very little to do with birthrates.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 11:25 PM   #179 
  - It needs to become socially acceptable not to procreate  Hello_Kitty   Jan-03-10 02:55 PM   #58 
  - That's a good point.  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 03:06 PM   #73 
  - Exactly. It's an incredibly loaded and powerful term.  Hello_Kitty   Jan-03-10 04:42 PM   #115 
     - Screw 'em, then.  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 07:04 PM   #150 
  - Back when an older friend of mine was a child in a French Catholic community in Maine,  clear eye   Jan-03-10 05:22 PM   #125 
     - More souls to save for Jebus. Feh!  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 07:04 PM   #151 
     - you've got a thing about catholics, i see. but it's bullshit. there's no correlation between  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 11:26 PM   #180 
        - I am critical of certain tenets of Catholicism, not "Catholics"  clear eye   Jan-04-10 09:46 AM   #211 
  - Children's Education & Welfare Fund Tax  Meldread   Jan-03-10 02:59 PM   #63 
  - Skinner, please let us have a population forum.  Gregorian   Jan-03-10 03:00 PM   #64 
  - Yes  BeFree   Jan-03-10 03:20 PM   #86 
     - Just an example for your previous post  Gregorian   Jan-03-10 05:29 PM   #126 
  - We need to stop the race between food production and population.  greyl   Jan-03-10 03:00 PM   #66 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-10 11:17 PM   #175 
  - No! Cap it and improve distribution. nt  greyl   Jan-04-10 12:57 AM   #194 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-04-10 05:26 PM   #214 
        - Hell no! Jebus, try applying your imagination to the interest of good, why don't ya. nt  greyl   Jan-04-10 11:14 PM   #215 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-05-10 09:14 AM   #217 
  - uh, no, it doesn't. the first world's birthrates have gone down near universally since  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 11:29 PM   #182 
     - 2 things.  greyl   Jan-04-10 12:52 AM   #193 
        - first world population increases, since approximately the 70s, due to immigration.  Hannah Bell   Jan-04-10 01:23 AM   #195 
  - I have a bad feeling it's going to take care of itself soon.  shadowknows69   Jan-03-10 03:14 PM   #79 
  - Well, people have been having that bad feeling since Malthus.  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 03:16 PM   #82 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-10 11:20 PM   #177 
        - no, his predictions were based on the assumption that people would  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 11:30 PM   #183 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-10 11:33 PM   #184 
              - no, i wouldn't say. Children per woman over the entire first world = below replacement rate.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 11:43 PM   #187 
  - Here is a cynical, somewhat funny column about people in numbers  tabatha   Jan-03-10 03:15 PM   #81 
  - Anything we do will cause its own problems  The2ndWheel   Jan-03-10 03:33 PM   #92 
  - We could move everyone in the world to Texas and they would 1000sq ft to live in  The Straight Story   Jan-03-10 03:51 PM   #95 
  - That's like holding up a white piece of paper, and claiming ANWR is just fine for oil drilling.  Gregorian   Jan-03-10 05:31 PM   #127 
     - People have been saying it was not fine for a really long time, and yet it still is  The Straight Story   Jan-03-10 06:41 PM   #144 
        - Global warming.  Gregorian   Jan-03-10 09:43 PM   #166 
  - Strengthening the social safety net.  JVS   Jan-03-10 04:22 PM   #106 
  - Good questions, and a substantive topic,  LWolf   Jan-03-10 04:30 PM   #111 
  - "I was lucky enough to marry two women who also understood the problem"  Kaleva   Jan-03-10 04:56 PM   #121 
  - I've been fortunate in my marriages.  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 07:08 PM   #152 
  - Spay/neuter program for children.  flvegan   Jan-03-10 05:32 PM   #128 
  - If you release them they'll just get diseases and get hit by cars, asshole. nt  LeftyMom   Jan-03-10 05:49 PM   #130 
  - Perhaps a bit extreme, but certainly a functional plan.  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 07:52 PM   #158 
  - limit people to two children.  Terra Alta   Jan-03-10 06:23 PM   #133 
  - mandatory population control...?  dysfunctional press   Jan-03-10 06:29 PM   #136 
  - Most religions are meant to manage and control people,  Ferret Mike   Jan-03-10 06:35 PM   #138 
  - Religion is irrelevant to our government, or should be, if the  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 07:09 PM   #153 
     - mandatory population control would would prohibit free exercise of people's religion...  dysfunctional press   Jan-03-10 10:11 PM   #168 
  - Countries with the highest access to education have the lowest birth rates.  LanternWaste   Jan-03-10 06:37 PM   #140 
  - +!  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 06:39 PM   #142 
  - I'd certainly support that. If the money we spent waging war could  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 07:43 PM   #157 
  - The population eventually will be controlled.  roamer65   Jan-03-10 06:44 PM   #145 
  - I've thought about starting a non-profit concerning this issue.  20score   Jan-03-10 07:16 PM   #155 
  - 6. Non-parenthood as a legitimate life choice.  Hello_Kitty   Jan-03-10 08:41 PM   #160 
     - Agreed.  20score   Jan-03-10 10:00 PM   #167 
  - What about long-term contraceptives?  MineralMan   Jan-03-10 07:42 PM   #156 
  - Irradiation of the gonads.  Gormy Cuss   Jan-03-10 10:13 PM   #169 
  - How do we ecourage a reduction in the rate of population increase? -- PROMOTE PROSPERITY --  smalll   Jan-03-10 10:55 PM   #171 
  - Actually, prosperity tends to add a short term boost to birth and infant survival rates.  Bucky   Jan-03-10 11:28 PM   #181 
     - Egypt has never been a prosperous country for most of its people.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 11:38 PM   #185 
        - When they built the Aswan Dam, they provided a boost to jobs, electrified villages, improved health  Bucky   Jan-03-10 11:45 PM   #188 
           - "poverty rate shrinking" doesn't = achieved a middle class society. It never happened.  Hannah Bell   Jan-03-10 11:52 PM   #189 
  - Unchecked population growth essentially moots environmentalism.  Romulox   Jan-03-10 11:14 PM   #174 
  - It's more of a distribution of resources problem then an overpopulation problem.  Kaleva   Jan-03-10 11:41 PM   #186 
  - Worldwide it's more about the destruction of resources that are required to have a decent  bertman   Jan-04-10 12:26 AM   #191 
     - From 1980 to the present US consumption of electricity per capita  Hannah Bell   Jan-04-10 01:39 AM   #196 
        - Homes used to have 60 amp fuze panels. Now 200 amp CB panels are the norm.  Kaleva   Jan-04-10 06:52 AM   #197 
        - so what? is the average person in the US's lifestyle 50% better than in 1980?  Hannah Bell   Jan-04-10 07:12 AM   #200 
           - What size panel do you have?  Kaleva   Jan-04-10 08:40 AM   #205 
              - You're correct about the 100 amp panel, at least in our area, Kaleva.  bertman   Jan-04-10 09:26 AM   #209 
        - Correlating standard of living to consumption of electricity sounds specious to me, but  bertman   Jan-04-10 09:44 AM   #210 
  - Do Nothing  onpatrol98   Jan-04-10 12:23 AM   #190 
  - Education  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-04-10 12:31 AM   #192 
  - I made that same decision but earlier in life  madokie   Jan-04-10 07:09 AM   #199 
  - Definitely not mandatory that would meet to much resistance but condoms should globally be free and  ProgressOnTheMove   Jan-04-10 09:47 AM   #212 
  - Capitalism exacerbates overpopulation.  blindpig   Jan-05-10 09:50 AM   #218 
  - First world citizens are the ones using the lion's share of the resources. "We have met the enemy  raccoon   Jan-05-10 09:52 AM   #219 
  - Well, my wife and I are planning to have 4 kids but I think everyone else should just have 1.  cbdo2007   Jan-05-10 09:58 AM   #220 
  - No. I have 2, and intend to remain that way. Exactly because of the reasons laid out in this thread.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jan-05-10 10:11 AM   #222 
     - I wasn't trying to call people out for being hypocrites necessarily.....  cbdo2007   Jan-05-10 10:43 AM   #223 
  - Maybe a good point - anyone else notice an increase in infertile males you know lately?  cbdo2007   Jan-05-10 10:54 AM   #224 
 

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