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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:21 PM
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88. This is just a "Legal Opinion"
Walkers request wouldnt seem so unusual, given the immense interest in the Prop. 8 case. But if Social Security is the third rail of American politics, cameras in the court is responsible for electrocuting many a well-meaning federal judge. The national Judicial Conference thinks cameras shouldnt be allowed in district court proceedings, and many circuits around the country including the Ninth have followed that line. Just last week, the Seventh Circuit chided a Peoria, Ill., jurist for allowing cameras into a civil proceeding there.

So, if Walker is really serious, it appears he would need special permission from the Ninth Circuit Judicial Council to pull it off (a group which may not be totally unsympathetic). Same-sex marriage supporters dont have any problems with it.

But the Yes on 8 crowd sure does.

Given the highly contentious and politicized nature of Proposition 8 and the issue of same-sex marriage in general, the possibility of compromised safety, witness intimidation, and/or harassment of trial participants is very real, wrote attorney Charles Cooper (who we've just profiled on CalLaw this evening).

No matter how well intended it may be, IF ANYONE on that MAP was to claim they were harrassed, vandalized, intimdated, or otherwise "Felt Uncomfortable" you have just made the case for the Prop 8 Proponents arguements to EXCLUDE TV cameras from the court room

Sorry - that was the reason I said I didn't feel the map was a "Good Idea" and I could not support it. At least not a good idea at this time when the "Decision is PENDING". That opinion has nothing to do with my feelings about Prop 8 or Gay Marriage.

Does that help clear things up for you
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  -Find your local bigots! MinneapolisMatt  Dec-30-09 05:10 PM   #0 
  - For what purpose?  notesdev   Dec-30-09 05:12 PM   #1 
  - To know where to find them someday?  JanMichael   Dec-30-09 05:14 PM   #3 
  - So you can do what?  notesdev   Dec-30-09 05:19 PM   #6 
     - Uhhh, I'm gay.  MinneapolisMatt   Dec-30-09 05:24 PM   #7 
     - Um, to avoid them? Has it dawned on you that bigots  Bluenorthwest   Dec-30-09 05:34 PM   #10 
     - Hmmmmm. But they seem to be covering whole communities  el_bryanto   Dec-30-09 05:43 PM   #13 
        - Well for example, I am thinking about moving  Bluenorthwest   Dec-30-09 05:46 PM   #16 
           - Doesn't seem like this is a subject on which one can converse productively. n/t  el_bryanto   Dec-30-09 05:49 PM   #18 
           - Well, why is that? Many of the listed people are medical  Bluenorthwest   Dec-30-09 05:54 PM   #20 
           - Actually i looked in the community in which I grew up (Yorba Linda)  el_bryanto   Dec-30-09 05:58 PM   #22 
           - Ah. This explains your pov.  Bluenorthwest   Dec-30-09 06:07 PM   #23 
           - I'm unclear as to what you mean here but I'll take it positively. n/t  el_bryanto   Dec-30-09 06:28 PM   #27 
           - Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  Sapphocrat   Dec-30-09 09:58 PM   #49 
           - That explains everything.  Jamastiene   Dec-31-09 07:15 AM   #60 
              - By which presumably you mean I'm clearly a bigot? n/t  el_bryanto   Dec-31-09 07:20 AM   #61 
                 - You certainly want to protect bigots from people who have no rights.  Jamastiene   Dec-31-09 07:23 AM   #63 
                    - I actually would like to put an end to state sponsered marriage altogether  el_bryanto   Dec-31-09 07:31 AM   #68 
           - Indeed  NMMNG   Dec-30-09 07:42 PM   #38 
           - You're back. And so soon. Ugh.  Jax   Jan-02-10 04:17 AM   #105 
           - use this instead. Gives good breakdown of all sorts of info plus forums for locations  havocmom   Dec-30-09 07:18 PM   #37 
     - Many of these people run businesses  NMMNG   Dec-30-09 05:56 PM   #21 
     - Allow me to educate you.  Sapphocrat   Dec-30-09 08:54 PM   #41 
     - +1000000000  Jamastiene   Dec-31-09 07:25 AM   #64 
     - Great post! Thank you, for all you do.  TexasObserver   Jan-03-10 08:10 AM   #110 
     - Thanks for all you do and  tomg   Jan-03-10 08:42 AM   #111 
     - that's been going on already  mitchtv   Dec-30-09 09:47 PM   #46 
     - Wouldn't you like to know?  Jamastiene   Dec-31-09 07:22 AM   #62 
     - So we can enjoy the fact that knowledge which should be public, is.  Orsino   Dec-31-09 09:16 AM   #79 
     - They've ALREADY "come for [us] for what [we] are".  Toasterlad   Dec-31-09 12:27 PM   #82 
  - Self-defense, in many cases.  LeftyMom   Dec-30-09 05:28 PM   #9 
  - For one thing, who wants to do business with someone who thinks that way?  devilgrrl   Dec-30-09 10:10 PM   #54 
  - Looks like a construction company donated.  rucky   Dec-31-09 07:41 AM   #73 
  - The ones that hate christans and other religious people? I don't usually have to look far (nt)  The Straight Story   Dec-30-09 05:13 PM   #2 
  - No..just the Mormon a-holes  SoCalNative   Dec-30-09 05:35 PM   #11 
  - Tell me about the organized efforts to oppress Christians in  Bluenorthwest   Dec-30-09 05:39 PM   #12 
  - Poor oppressed Christians.  NMMNG   Dec-30-09 06:21 PM   #25 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-30-09 08:28 PM   #39 
     - You've got quite a persecution complex there.  NMMNG   Dec-30-09 08:34 PM   #40 
     - Heh. The mods probably are "anti-Christian bigots" too.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-31-09 07:33 AM   #70 
     - "You would make a good KKK member"??? Godwin's Law. You lose. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-30-09 10:10 PM   #53 
  - Have "christans" had their rights removed?  Starry Messenger   Dec-30-09 09:50 PM   #47 
  - Exposing homophobes = Hatred of Christians  NMMNG   Dec-30-09 09:57 PM   #48 
     - Oh, right.  Starry Messenger   Dec-30-09 11:35 PM   #58 
     - ha  indigo32   Dec-31-09 08:46 AM   #77 
  - aww poor little widdle you.  La Lioness Priyanka   Dec-31-09 10:24 AM   #80 
  - Did you see his deleted message? I quote it above. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-31-09 03:38 PM   #90 
  - All this proves is that being Christian doesn't prevent people from being evil bigots....  Cleobulus   Dec-31-09 06:24 PM   #94 
  - WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!  Zhade   Dec-31-09 06:50 PM   #97 
  - The "christians" that hate anyone that doesn't believe what they believe? I don't have to look far.  rd_kent   Dec-31-09 06:54 PM   #98 
  - None in my zip code  taterguy   Dec-30-09 05:14 PM   #4 
  - Don't need a map. I'm in Fred Phelps territory.  proud2BlibKansan   Dec-30-09 05:15 PM   #5 
  - My condolensces.  tblue   Dec-30-09 05:27 PM   #8 
  - My sympathies.  Jamastiene   Dec-31-09 07:28 AM   #66 
  - Ours congregate at the corner of East Northern Lights and Baxter  Blue_In_AK   Dec-30-09 05:44 PM   #14 
  - Odd. Overwhelmingly, women contributed most often in my area....  Brother Buzz   Dec-30-09 05:45 PM   #15 
  - Were their occupations mainly listed as "homemaker"  SoCalNative   Dec-30-09 06:09 PM   #24 
  - Amazing how many "homemakers"  NMMNG   Dec-30-09 06:26 PM   #26 
  - 'Retired' topped homemaker  Brother Buzz   Dec-30-09 06:29 PM   #28 
  - In San Francisco, when I checked last time, most of the H8 votes  EFerrari   Dec-30-09 10:00 PM   #50 
  - Huh  wryter2000   Dec-30-09 05:48 PM   #17 
  - Or money to spend.  Jamastiene   Dec-31-09 07:29 AM   #67 
  - Better yet  NMMNG   Dec-30-09 05:52 PM   #19 
  - Quite a few outside California.  KansDem   Dec-30-09 06:33 PM   #29 
  - Sorry I can't support that kind of thing  FreakinDJ   Dec-30-09 06:43 PM   #30 
  - It's all public information  NMMNG   Dec-30-09 06:55 PM   #32 
  - Uh---you might want to try again, That post made no sense at all. nt  Atticus   Dec-30-09 07:16 PM   #36 
  - What's your issue, exactly?  Sapphocrat   Dec-30-09 09:01 PM   #43 
  - You don't have to support 'that kind of thing'. And I don't have to support Republican policies.  closeupready   Dec-30-09 11:09 PM   #56 
  - So, you are against knowing who contributes to candidates for elections too?  Jamastiene   Dec-31-09 07:33 AM   #69 
     - No - but if any thing it serves as proof the witnesses may be intimidated  FreakinDJ   Dec-31-09 08:14 AM   #76 
        - And You Don't Find Propositions Created to Deny People Their Rights "Intimidating"?  Toasterlad   Dec-31-09 12:36 PM   #83 
           - Your right - but it won't help your case  FreakinDJ   Dec-31-09 01:49 PM   #85 
              - Identifying and Refusing to Patronize Bigots Will Absolutely Help My Case.  Toasterlad   Dec-31-09 02:07 PM   #87 
                 - This is just a "Legal Opinion"  FreakinDJ   Dec-31-09 02:21 PM   #88 
                    - This is unmitigated bullshit.  closeupready   Dec-31-09 04:44 PM   #91 
                       - When you loose it won't be  FreakinDJ   Dec-31-09 05:03 PM   #92 
                          - If I bake you cookies, will you let me drink from your water fountain? Or  closeupready   Dec-31-09 06:16 PM   #93 
                          - Here is a cookie  FreakinDJ   Dec-31-09 06:44 PM   #96 
                             - You're quoting Chuck Limandri?! Allow me to educate YOU.  Sapphocrat   Dec-31-09 07:32 PM   #99 
                                - No let ME EDUCATE YOU  FreakinDJ   Dec-31-09 08:34 PM   #102 
                                   - Here's where you're clueless.  Sapphocrat   Jan-01-10 01:06 PM   #104 
                          - Oh Noes, not the Freepers!  NMMNG   Jan-02-10 06:07 AM   #107 
  - interesting.  noamnety   Dec-30-09 06:51 PM   #31 
  - Ah, good ol' Elsa?  Sapphocrat   Dec-30-09 09:05 PM   #44 
  - Holy crap, just when I think I'm finally getting to understand all this new technology..  mrbarber   Dec-30-09 07:01 PM   #33 
  - jet packs?  lazarus   Jan-02-10 04:38 AM   #106 
  - Those people make me sick and I hate them  Don Caballero   Dec-30-09 07:03 PM   #34 
  - I see much squirming in this thread.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-30-09 07:09 PM   #35 
  - Who are you talking to?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-30-09 08:59 PM   #42 
     - Evil, cowardly people. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-30-09 10:02 PM   #52 
  - Leave it to me to kill your thread! LOL!  Sapphocrat   Dec-30-09 09:43 PM   #45 
  - I just woke up and found it.  Jamastiene   Dec-31-09 07:38 AM   #72 
  - Is there one for Maine too?  GreenPartyVoter   Dec-30-09 10:00 PM   #51 
  - We have them all  NMMNG   Dec-30-09 10:29 PM   #55 
     - Thanks! :^)  GreenPartyVoter   Dec-30-09 11:09 PM   #57 
  - Jeez. My town's lousy with 'em.  Iggo   Dec-31-09 01:01 AM   #59 
  - Here is more information that might help you.  Jamastiene   Dec-31-09 07:36 AM   #71 
  - Interesting  Le Taz Hot   Dec-31-09 07:27 AM   #65 
  - Who needs a map?  blindpig   Dec-31-09 07:59 AM   #74 
  - I can only find 1 in IL-a risk manager who gave 9,900  SemiCharmedQuark   Dec-31-09 08:07 AM   #75 
  - shining the light on them is a grand idea  Mari333   Dec-31-09 08:52 AM   #78 
  - Agreed  NMMNG   Jan-02-10 08:59 PM   #109 
  - k and r  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-31-09 10:52 AM   #81 
  - That map represents the residue after a round of snooker  bridgit   Dec-31-09 12:50 PM   #84 
  - Looks like a lot of Nob Hill people were pro-Prop 8  marmar   Dec-31-09 01:51 PM   #86 
  - There is a large older population there n/t  FreeState   Dec-31-09 02:26 PM   #89 
  - Cool, thanks -- now I know who not to give my money to!  Zhade   Dec-31-09 06:35 PM   #95 
  - Holy shit, I saw a few $30,000 donations on there...  Regret My New Name   Dec-31-09 07:50 PM   #100 
  - I checked out a similar map a while back, and was pleased to see that NOT ONE person  Gormy Cuss   Dec-31-09 07:58 PM   #101 
  - Thanks for posting this.  Renew Deal   Dec-31-09 08:52 PM   #103 
  - I Most Definitely Want To Avoid Those People  DemocratSinceBirth   Jan-02-10 07:17 AM   #108 
  - Cool  Cronus Protagonist   Jan-06-10 05:43 AM   #112 

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