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Wed Dec-30-09 12:26 AM
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| 22. Wonderful post. Recommended. |
| -It is time to give the "realists" a dose of reality |
Bjorn Against |
Dec-29-09 09:19 PM |
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Here is a bit of hope, the real kind, not the |
truedelphi |
Dec-29-09 09:39 PM |
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Thanks for the post, those groups you mention are all heroes to me. |
Bjorn Against |
Dec-29-09 10:06 PM |
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Amen, truedelphi, well said and may those who crave a |
mother earth |
Dec-30-09 04:33 PM |
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truedelphi, I wish I could recommend your post. |
JDPriestly |
Dec-30-09 05:09 PM |
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Having Business and Wall Street run the show is their reality, this |
OHdem10 |
Dec-29-09 09:39 PM |
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Great job trying to lump people that can accept reality with supporters of the Iraq War. |
LostInAnomie |
Dec-29-09 09:43 PM |
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I don't know what you mean by "people that can accept reality".... |
Bjorn Against |
Dec-29-09 10:05 PM |
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"I dream things that never were, and say, 'Why not?'" |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-30-09 03:44 AM |
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One of my favorite quotes. |
tblue |
Dec-30-09 02:31 PM |
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how the party has changed, eh? it's pretty astonishing. people supporting |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-31-09 12:12 AM |
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Those people were called "realists" at the time |
Hydra |
Dec-30-09 09:58 AM |
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realizing that there is too much corporate influence to get 60 dem senators to vote for single payer |
dionysus |
Dec-30-09 01:21 PM |
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Right |
Hydra |
Dec-30-09 01:24 PM |
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that's just where people's opinions differ. some see it as a platform to build on,or a foot in the |
dionysus |
Dec-30-09 01:26 PM |
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True |
Hydra |
Dec-30-09 02:22 PM |
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Agree with you and it will serve to BLOCK anything that should have been done from happening!! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-30-09 02:40 PM |
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Corporate protection is also coming from the Whtie House . . . big time!!! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-30-09 02:36 PM |
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Your *proof* that a fix is in is that Dems in the Senate |
Autonomy |
Dec-30-09 04:41 PM |
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not just leiberman. all the blue dogs, plus, i'd wager, a sizeable number of the other dem senators, |
dionysus |
Dec-30-09 08:49 PM |
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No . . . but Lieberman and the Blue Dogs can "wave a magic wand " and get what they want? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-01-10 08:57 AM |
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actually, beg required for the 60 votes, they can..and did... |
dionysus |
Jan-01-10 03:41 PM |
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You only need 51 votes to pass . . . make them filibuster . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jan-01-10 07:46 PM |
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and if they kill the bill via fillibuster, what have we gained. |
dionysus |
Jan-01-10 08:36 PM |
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About $600 Billion/$800 Billion which would be passed on to corporate/fascists . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jan-01-10 08:55 PM |
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You misunderstood the OP. |
Enthusiast |
Dec-30-09 02:21 PM |
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I resolve not to fool myself into believing the out of power party is enriching the CEO of United |
timeforpeace |
Dec-29-09 09:44 PM |
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Oh hell yeah reality. |
chimpymustgo |
Dec-30-09 12:43 PM |
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You just gave me the image of Homer SImpson taking a bit of an imaginary donut |
Ken Burch |
Dec-30-09 01:53 PM |
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Write on |
BeFree |
Dec-29-09 10:22 PM |
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I am not trying to call all those who post about the reality of politics enemies... |
Bjorn Against |
Dec-29-09 10:40 PM |
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Lieberman & Nelson demanded NO public option and NO 55/Medicare . . . and we folded!!! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-30-09 02:50 PM |
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You're right, this was no compromise at all |
Bjorn Against |
Dec-30-09 02:59 PM |
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LOL. "The only way out of this mess is compromise, compromise, compromise." |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-30-09 03:45 AM |
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well |
BeFree |
Dec-30-09 09:06 AM |
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I haven't seen compromise, I've seen capitulation. |
sabrina 1 |
Dec-30-09 11:19 AM |
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yes, well |
BeFree |
Dec-30-09 12:25 PM |
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I'm not following your logic. Are you saying that to get rid of |
sabrina 1 |
Dec-30-09 01:51 PM |
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We have a majority? |
BeFree |
Dec-30-09 02:40 PM |
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The president has immense power within his party |
sabrina 1 |
Dec-30-09 03:07 PM |
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Back to reality... |
BeFree |
Dec-30-09 03:47 PM |
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Bush had power because an easily frightened |
sabrina 1 |
Dec-30-09 04:42 PM |
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Right -- Why has no one pulled Lieberman's Chairmanship?????? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-01-10 07:48 PM |
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Beating them over the head is a good place to start. War is the |
loudsue |
Dec-30-09 03:15 PM |
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White flag surrender to corporate/fascism . . .??? I don't think so . .. |
defendandprotect |
Dec-30-09 02:48 PM |
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revolt, revolt, revolt.. |
dotymed |
Dec-30-09 07:50 PM |
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Well, the sad thing is ... |
frazzled |
Dec-29-09 10:34 PM |
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I have stepped away from my computer many times... |
Bjorn Against |
Dec-29-09 10:48 PM |
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Don't you tell me that my realism doesn't accomplish as much as your whatever |
frazzled |
Dec-29-09 10:55 PM |
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I never said you were not a true progressive... |
Bjorn Against |
Dec-29-09 11:21 PM |
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Each side seems to think the other believes they have the only true answer |
frazzled |
Dec-29-09 11:40 PM |
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Thanks, frazzled |
BeFree |
Dec-29-09 10:59 PM |
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Very sad indeed |
carolinayellowdog |
Dec-29-09 11:17 PM |
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It is propaganda to dehumanize the enemy. |
Jamastiene |
Dec-30-09 02:28 AM |
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We have always been at war with Eastasia. |
Jamastiene |
Dec-30-09 02:23 AM |
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I just want to know when the chocolate rations will be raised |
NMMNG |
Dec-30-09 02:59 AM |
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Me too. |
Jamastiene |
Dec-30-09 03:25 AM |
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Thank you frazzled, for your contributions.... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-30-09 03:47 AM |
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Haymarket was over 100 years ago, that's why they're not there. duh. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-30-09 03:49 AM |
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Couldn't have said it better myself |
jpak |
Dec-30-09 09:18 AM |
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Frazzled |
Adelante |
Dec-30-09 10:05 AM |
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Stop dragging 30 million poor people into this. |
juno jones |
Dec-30-09 01:36 PM |
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Bravo......... |
SergeStorms |
Dec-30-09 06:14 PM |
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delete |
inna |
Dec-30-09 03:49 PM |
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Here's what I resolve to do |
Goldstein1984 |
Dec-29-09 10:48 PM |
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Thanks Goldstein, that is a very good start |
Bjorn Against |
Dec-29-09 10:51 PM |
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You know I know that the first step is to educate people |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-29-09 11:09 PM |
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can't educate people, the government won't allow it - it interfere's with the agenda |
Imagevision |
Dec-29-09 11:14 PM |
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The Realist school in Foreign Policy (as opposed to the Moralist, etc.) is akin |
Malikshah |
Dec-29-09 11:30 PM |
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I thought I wasn't supposed to buy into that 'create your own reality' stuff? |
lildreamer316 |
Dec-29-09 11:45 PM |
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Wonderful post. Recommended. |
Vidar |
Dec-30-09 12:26 AM |
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The "reality" meme is just psychological warfare used on civilians in a noncombat role. |
Jamastiene |
Dec-30-09 02:00 AM |
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+100. Which is, I imagine, why there is a contingent of folks repeating it over & over. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-30-09 04:00 AM |
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Great work in this thread, Jama! |
Starry Messenger |
Dec-30-09 12:48 PM |
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word. |
nashville_brook |
Dec-30-09 12:53 PM |
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Good post, you should make it an OP |
sabrina 1 |
Dec-30-09 04:45 PM |
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Definitely keep fighting, all we're saying is fight smart and find constructive ways for change. |
ProgressOnTheMove |
Dec-30-09 02:26 AM |
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bzzzt. I'm a realist. I was against the war in Iraq from the get go |
cali |
Dec-30-09 02:41 AM |
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thanks for saving me the trouble of replying Cali |
Autonomy |
Dec-30-09 05:31 PM |
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+100. Politicians don't fear disgruntled individuals. They fear organized individuals. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-30-09 03:41 AM |
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K & R |
democrank |
Dec-30-09 03:56 AM |
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I'll likely be seeing you on the front lines.. |
DisgustedInMN |
Dec-30-09 04:13 AM |
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Awesome, and welcome to DU from a fellow Minnesotan |
Bjorn Against |
Dec-30-09 07:45 AM |
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Realist checking in... |
voc |
Dec-30-09 04:23 AM |
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Will this bill clean out the bank accounts of 30 million? |
Dr.Phool |
Dec-30-09 07:09 AM |
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You obviously have never had to deal with bottom tier health care. |
juno jones |
Dec-30-09 01:57 PM |
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Ummm.... No |
Gman |
Dec-30-09 06:57 AM |
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being told this is real health care reform is garbage enough |
Skittles |
Dec-30-09 12:14 PM |
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You're spewing more BS than an exploding septic tank. |
bos1 |
Dec-30-09 07:32 AM |
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my Goodness..where the heck was your head ? |
winyanstaz |
Dec-30-09 01:24 PM |
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Wrong. The entire thing was a quite overtly irrational, and in fact, the "reality based" public was |
bos1 |
Dec-30-09 03:05 PM |
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Yes it was irrational, but they pretended they had a stranglehold on reality |
Bjorn Against |
Dec-30-09 03:22 PM |
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The more people we can get out there to be involved |
maryf |
Dec-30-09 08:40 AM |
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Over the years, I've found that |
cognoscere |
Dec-30-09 09:04 AM |
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K and R |
Faryn Balyncd |
Dec-30-09 09:28 AM |
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One small point of contention. It wasn't "the realists" who said Saddam had WMDs... |
SteppingRazor |
Dec-30-09 09:40 AM |
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I guess I believe in the ability to change reality because I already see it as fluid, |
rtassi |
Dec-30-09 10:48 AM |
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You fail to realize |
kctim |
Dec-30-09 11:33 AM |
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Maybe you could back that up in some way? And K&R. |
EFerrari |
Dec-30-09 12:20 PM |
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. |
kctim |
Dec-30-09 01:57 PM |
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But that's not really true. There is shared reality |
EFerrari |
Dec-30-09 02:07 PM |
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Good point |
kctim |
Dec-30-09 02:38 PM |
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you fail to persuade. |
nashville_brook |
Dec-30-09 12:54 PM |
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I'm done trying to persuade anybody |
kctim |
Dec-30-09 02:01 PM |
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Thanks for a great posting. K&R |
NorthCarolina |
Dec-30-09 11:34 AM |
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PREACH IT BJORN AGAINST |
Skittles |
Dec-30-09 12:00 PM |
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Realists, centrists, pragmatists - |
scentopine |
Dec-30-09 12:20 PM |
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+100: this is our political reality |
noiretextatique |
Dec-30-09 04:42 PM |
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It's weird how the types alluded to by the OP rely on Projection to the nth degree |
Echo In Light |
Dec-30-09 12:20 PM |
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I reject your reality |
Kermitt Gribble |
Dec-30-09 12:34 PM |
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I like the union membership deal. |
Enthusiast |
Dec-30-09 02:33 PM |
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Most of the so-called "realists" are living in a fantasy world. |
Starry Messenger |
Dec-30-09 12:54 PM |
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K & R. Nice job Bjorn! |
freddie mertz |
Dec-30-09 01:27 PM |
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K&R! n/t |
juno jones |
Dec-30-09 01:58 PM |
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Well said. K&R |
20score |
Dec-30-09 02:20 PM |
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Bravo -- !! Bravo -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-30-09 02:32 PM |
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K&R...Hi Minnesota. |
bvar22 |
Dec-30-09 02:35 PM |
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Corporate Capitulationism is NOT "pragmatic". |
Odin2005 |
Dec-30-09 03:24 PM |
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K&R ... great post. |
spin |
Dec-30-09 03:26 PM |
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K&R no. 146 |
midnight |
Dec-30-09 04:26 PM |
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We'd better get our own media, then, cuz that's how the neocons turn their lies into reality |
librechik |
Dec-30-09 04:45 PM |
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When our actions have too much impact to ignore |
clear eye |
Dec-31-09 04:19 AM |
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I wish I could join you in all those efforts, Bjorn Against. |
mother earth |
Dec-30-09 04:57 PM |
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I'm with you! |
AllyCat |
Dec-30-09 05:48 PM |
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As a realist |
quaker bill |
Dec-30-09 07:10 PM |
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I apologize in advance, |
carla |
Dec-30-09 07:18 PM |
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NO SHIT |
dotymed |
Dec-30-09 07:41 PM |
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Strictly speaking, realists didn't suppor the Iraq War |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-31-09 12:14 AM |
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Yeah, but some realist need to step up and admit they were wrong |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-31-09 06:20 AM |
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Great post. |
avaistheone1 |
Dec-31-09 01:21 AM |
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Whoa! The "Realists" were AGAINST the war in Iraq |
johnaries |
Jan-01-10 08:55 PM |
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Can you please tell me how my post was "RW talking points"? |
Bjorn Against |
Jan-01-10 09:24 PM |
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The very fact that you had to link to Wikipedia |
johnaries |
Jan-01-10 11:19 PM |
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Don't like that one here is another.... |
Bjorn Against |
Jan-01-10 11:23 PM |
#133 |
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