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mochajava666 Donating Member (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 11:31 AM
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34. With all due respect, passing a very bad bill
that benefits the corporations over the people is not something that should be supported, even if the leaders of my Party say so.

What concerns me most is that the process that produced this disaster will also hinder any attempts to save life on our planet as we know it by effectively gutting cap and trade. Unfortunately, our current circumstances dictate the need for some strong leadership, and this process has shown Obama to be powerless. In this power vacuum, greed and money have a much bigger influence, so we are going in the wrong direction toward any type of reforms.

As for passing a bad bill in order to fix it later, I'm still waiting on NAFTA (and other "free-trade" agreements), Welfare Reform, Social Security Reform, etc. to be "fixed". I'm still waiting on Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy to be repealed. Our financial circumstances dictate that health care costs must be curbed in order to fund our wars, therefore health care reform will get done. Nothing gets in the way of the military-industrial complex or Big Oil. Not even the health care industrial complex. Not yet, anyway, but with this bill, they may be able to play with the big guys in the future.

But then again, we are ALL just talking hypothetical situations, including Republican gains in 2010. The only reality I see here is a bad bill that benefits the corporations and strengthens the current corrupt political system.

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  -I can respect the "kill the bill" sentiment. What I can't respect at all cali  Dec-29-09 07:00 PM   #0 
  - still: KILL THE BILL.  MNDemNY   Dec-29-09 07:03 PM   #1 
  - as long as you don't tart it up with bullshit about how we can get something better,  cali   Dec-29-09 07:05 PM   #3 
     - Eventually we will.  MNDemNY   Dec-29-09 07:09 PM   #6 
        - Eventually we won't. We will lose the 60% advantage next election and won't get it back.  Kablooie   Dec-30-09 05:03 AM   #19 
        - This bill does more harm than good. So it must die.  MNDemNY   Dec-30-09 08:48 AM   #25 
        - This bill will make the losses greater.  Kansas Wyatt   Dec-30-09 10:32 AM   #27 
        - eventually = 20 years  spanone   Dec-30-09 07:43 AM   #21 
        - My daughter, and lots of others, don't have 20 years.  Ms. Toad   Dec-30-09 08:04 AM   #23 
        - Democrats have held the Presidency and both houses of Congress for exactly...  MilesColtrane   Dec-30-09 12:23 PM   #38 
  - well, if it makes things worse, then I say, kill it!  ShamelessHussy   Dec-29-09 07:05 PM   #2 
  - Under the status quo I'm not mandated to purchase for-profit insurance  leftstreet   Dec-29-09 07:06 PM   #4 
  - Who is mandating for-profit insurance?  napoleon_in_rags   Dec-29-09 07:30 PM   #11 
  - I can respect sentiment ...  RoyGBiv   Dec-29-09 07:06 PM   #5 
  - So..  sendero   Dec-29-09 07:09 PM   #7 
  - It's as much as signed already...and has been for weeks now.  David Zephyr   Dec-29-09 07:10 PM   #8 
  - +++1  ima_sinnic   Dec-30-09 03:57 AM   #18 
  - ".. how to break the "fuck you" news to the base". That's what these last weeks of Kabuki have been.  chimpymustgo   Dec-30-09 07:52 AM   #22 
     - +1 (n/t)  area51   Dec-30-09 11:01 AM   #31 
  - Kill the Bill! it's a disaster, a huge shift of taxpayers' $$$$ to big corporations, at gunpoint  amborin   Dec-29-09 07:11 PM   #9 
  - I'm sure.  TicketyBoo   Dec-30-09 03:45 AM   #17 
  - I can respect it, too! No skin off my nose! Just concern  Fire1   Dec-29-09 07:29 PM   #10 
  - Here's my problem with the "pass the bill now & fix it later" sentiment,  CrispyQ   Dec-29-09 07:43 PM   #12 
  - Nobody is going to get rid of the filibuster. The party in power always whines about it,  elocs   Dec-29-09 08:16 PM   #13 
  - It's clear that our elected representatives do not have our best interests at heart.  Edweird   Dec-29-09 08:40 PM   #14 
  - How is that idea any more stupid that the current bill is likely to be improved on in the short term  JVS   Dec-29-09 09:09 PM   #15 
  - well, that's not terribly realistic either, but it's more realistic than the  cali   Dec-30-09 02:43 AM   #16 
     - Enslaving the populace to the greed of the insurance industry may have WORSE consequences  chimpymustgo   Dec-30-09 08:07 AM   #24 
  - I don't always agree with you Cali, but you're right on this.  Jester Messiah   Dec-30-09 07:42 AM   #20 
  - Yep. nt  quiet.american   Dec-30-09 10:24 AM   #26 
  - Don't disagree with you  AllentownJake   Dec-30-09 10:33 AM   #28 
  - Just Remember....  Kansas Wyatt   Dec-30-09 10:43 AM   #29 
  - Wait a moment - think about how it would work out procedurally and maybe you mind will change  ThomWV   Dec-30-09 10:49 AM   #30 
  - I agree. If the bill's killed, health care reform is dead for at least a decade, probably more.  backscatter712   Dec-30-09 11:11 AM   #32 
  - Unfortunately the trend has been toward...  MilesColtrane   Dec-30-09 12:33 PM   #39 
  - No more delusional than "pass it now and we'll improve it later".  Hello_Kitty   Dec-30-09 11:17 AM   #33 
  - With all due respect, passing a very bad bill  mochajava666   Dec-30-09 11:31 AM   #34 
  - I'm not debating the pros and cons of the legislation. I'm simply stating  cali   Dec-30-09 11:36 AM   #36 
     - A sure thing? Really?  mochajava666   Dec-30-09 12:16 PM   #37 
        - Democrats aren't going to gain seats in the Senate in November unless the unemployment rate...  MilesColtrane   Dec-30-09 12:39 PM   #40 
           - I assume that was sarcasm (undeserved)  mochajava666   Dec-30-09 12:59 PM   #41 
  - Lies have momentum  Kurt_and_Hunter   Dec-30-09 11:33 AM   #35 

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