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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 05:13 PM
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17. It is precisely because individuals don't give a shit that we have laws
whether not "giving a shit" is from comprehensible emotions (those of victims, families/friends of victims, or those who empathize with victims) or from a perspective of deranged psychopathy is irrelevant. That's why it is critical that there is Law, and that nations observe the Law.

And perhaps you can use your own emotional response to this incident to extend your empathy to the families of the civilians we continue to blow to bits with our bombs in Afghanistan - and maybe now Pakistan and Lebanon too. (which is NOT to give any credence to the notion of an "acceptable" motive for acts of terrorism, or attempted terrorism - only to apply the same standards to our own behaviour)
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  -"If that means you have to deny him pain medication because he's badly burned, do that" Amerigo Vespucci  Dec-29-09 04:19 PM   #0 
  - then you lower yourself to his level  Skittles   Dec-29-09 04:21 PM   #1 
  - +100,000  YOY   Dec-29-09 04:34 PM   #7 
  - Also makes no sense medically. Burns don't preclude pain medication. WTF?  timeforpeace   Dec-29-09 10:08 PM   #52 
  - The man set his genitals  spotbird   Dec-30-09 05:32 PM   #121 
     - Laugh at him and call him names?  marshall   Dec-30-09 08:04 PM   #127 
  - k/r  Solly Mack   Dec-29-09 04:23 PM   #2 
  - I don't care.  RoadRage   Dec-29-09 04:23 PM   #3 
  - Well move to China then.  TheKentuckian   Dec-29-09 04:27 PM   #5 
  - Na.. i'm allowed to live here and still have a different opinion then you..  RoadRage   Dec-29-09 09:30 PM   #30 
     - So you believe that up until the 1690s there was indeed a huge amounts of witches and devil worship?  Tailormyst   Dec-30-09 10:52 AM   #96 
     - You're in the majority  spotbird   Dec-30-09 05:35 PM   #123 
        - There's nothing funnier to me  RoadRage   Dec-31-09 04:19 PM   #130 
  - I agree with you  dkf   Dec-29-09 04:27 PM   #6 
  - Not only did he inflict the pain on himself......he tried to kill a bunch of other people!!  cbdo2007   Dec-29-09 04:59 PM   #13 
  - Really?  Ikonoklast   Dec-29-09 08:57 PM   #26 
  - getting him drunk would probably get more info-this is NOT a tv show  KakistocracyHater   Dec-31-09 07:15 PM   #138 
  - The only rational response to such stupidity is to point at it and laugh.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-30-09 09:25 AM   #82 
  - It works both ways.  NOLALady   Dec-30-09 10:38 AM   #86 
  - Bullshit  tavalon   Dec-30-09 10:51 AM   #95 
  - That line of "reasoning" is SO right-wing it isn't even funy.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-30-09 07:26 PM   #125 
  - Damn. I guess schools really don't teach American history and civics worth a damn any more.  Hekate   Dec-31-09 04:48 PM   #132 
  - So you agree with Pat Buchanan  proud2BlibKansan   Dec-29-09 05:42 PM   #19 
  - I have no problem with that.  dkf   Dec-30-09 03:33 AM   #60 
     - You are trashing the constitution of the United States. Just like dick cheney.  MNDemNY   Dec-30-09 10:54 AM   #98 
     - If you want someone to agree with you, you should torture them  bahrbearian   Dec-30-09 11:08 AM   #108 
  - See reply #89  tavalon   Dec-30-09 10:50 AM   #93 
  - It is precisely because individuals don't give a shit that we have laws  bread_and_roses   Dec-29-09 05:13 PM   #17 
  - Yup..  RoadRage   Dec-29-09 05:40 PM   #18 
  - I suspect you are looking for empathy in the wrong place, my friend.  freddie mertz   Dec-30-09 08:01 AM   #63 
  - If you support torture and abuse of prisoners, you are not a liberal.  freddie mertz   Dec-30-09 08:00 AM   #62 
  - +1  proud2BlibKansan   Dec-30-09 08:42 AM   #74 
  - That's it in a nutshell.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-30-09 09:31 AM   #83 
  - So the definition of "hardline dems" is to be against torture?  Walk away   Dec-30-09 09:06 AM   #78 
  - To be against torture is to be a rational human being!  freddie mertz   Dec-30-09 09:18 AM   #81 
     - Amen.... nt  Walk away   Dec-30-09 02:08 PM   #114 
  - Ben Franklin said something that directly relates to your comments:  tavalon   Dec-30-09 10:43 AM   #89 
  - So you would lower us to their standards?  Tailormyst   Dec-30-09 10:50 AM   #94 
  - You=Dick Cheney  MNDemNY   Dec-30-09 10:52 AM   #97 
  - WTH is an "ileagle" act? n/t  FLDCVADem   Dec-30-09 05:34 PM   #122 
  - Clearly you have hostility issues from the start based on your handle.  Better Today   Dec-30-09 01:43 PM   #111 
  - I'd rather aspire to be like the rest of the free and democratic world than like China  Hippo_Tron   Dec-31-09 04:55 PM   #133 
  - No...that is torture and we cannot condone it...  rasputin1952   Dec-31-09 06:48 PM   #134 
  - Isn't that nice?  gratuitous   Dec-29-09 04:27 PM   #4 
  - I'm with you, gratuitous  Tansy_Gold   Dec-29-09 04:40 PM   #8 
     - Agree 100%  peacebird   Dec-29-09 04:55 PM   #12 
  - Meh...  LostInAnomie   Dec-29-09 04:42 PM   #9 
  - With just enough morphine, he'll be your best friend and will happily engage you in conversation.  Edweird   Dec-29-09 04:43 PM   #10 
  - Sounds like a plan to me that makes a whole lot more sense!!  Peacetrain   Dec-29-09 04:44 PM   #11 
  - plus this kid is obv. a lonely hearts sad sack loser  pitohui   Dec-29-09 05:00 PM   #14 
  - bingo. the last people he dealt with only wanted him to blow his balls off for their pleasure.  struggle4progress   Dec-29-09 09:47 PM   #43 
  - But, you see, making them SUFFER is MORE important than improving safety and saving people!  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-30-09 08:04 AM   #65 
  - morphine is not  paulsby   Dec-30-09 01:44 PM   #112 
     - That is correct.  Edweird   Dec-30-09 03:47 PM   #116 
  - pat shames the human species  spanone   Dec-29-09 05:00 PM   #15 
  - No problem here  FLDCVADem   Dec-29-09 05:01 PM   #16 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-29-09 06:10 PM   #20 
  - That's absolutely disgusting.  Dogtown   Dec-30-09 09:01 AM   #77 
  - How jingoist of you  tavalon   Dec-30-09 10:58 AM   #102 
  - See post #89  tavalon   Dec-30-09 10:56 AM   #101 
  - That is inhumane...  rasputin1952   Dec-31-09 06:52 PM   #135 
  - Too many here are acting like the 'enemy' we are battling.  RC   Dec-29-09 08:36 PM   #21 
  - When I load my pantyhose with explosives  FLDCVADem   Dec-29-09 08:42 PM   #24 
  - "You guys"? Hmmm.  Ikonoklast   Dec-29-09 09:14 PM   #29 
  - Yeah, as in "you guys that are feeling sorry...  FLDCVADem   Dec-29-09 09:34 PM   #31 
     - Maybe you meant "you guys who recognize the rule of law". n/t  EFerrari   Dec-29-09 09:35 PM   #32 
     - No, I meant exactly what I said  FLDCVADem   Dec-29-09 09:36 PM   #33 
     - I don't see anyone on this thread making excuses for a terrorist.  EFerrari   Dec-29-09 09:43 PM   #38 
     - Ah, the references to mental illness  FLDCVADem   Dec-29-09 09:44 PM   #41 
     - You don't know the difference between understanding and agreement.  EFerrari   Dec-29-09 09:45 PM   #42 
        - You make excuses for him  FLDCVADem   Dec-29-09 09:51 PM   #46 
           - Where did that poster make "excuses" for him? Be specific. nt  blondeatlast   Dec-29-09 10:10 PM   #54 
           - You project all over people. I don't.  EFerrari   Dec-29-09 10:14 PM   #55 
           - If you don't understand the difference between 'excuses' and 'explanation'  Zoeisright   Dec-30-09 10:46 AM   #90 
           - You really need to take a deep breath and think about what you are advocating  tavalon   Dec-30-09 11:03 AM   #106 
     - Exactly!  tavalon   Dec-30-09 11:02 AM   #105 
     - You are trashing the constitution of the United States.  MNDemNY   Dec-30-09 10:48 AM   #92 
     - Or "you liberal Democrats"?  freddie mertz   Dec-30-09 08:04 AM   #66 
        - I guess it is if you're looking for something to complain about n/t  FLDCVADem   Dec-30-09 05:28 PM   #119 
     - Where do you see 'feeling sorry'?  Ikonoklast   Dec-29-09 09:37 PM   #34 
     - And you know the Geneva Conventions have nothing to do with this  FLDCVADem   Dec-29-09 09:40 PM   #35 
        - If he was arrested as a combatant in the War on Terra, they sure do.  EFerrari   Dec-29-09 09:44 PM   #39 
        - He's been arrested by federal authorities, so he's in the  FLDCVADem   Dec-29-09 09:50 PM   #45 
           - Therefore he is under ther protection of the US Constitution. IIRC, that means that  blondeatlast   Dec-29-09 10:09 PM   #53 
           - But you don't know his status or how he will be handled.  EFerrari   Dec-29-09 10:15 PM   #57 
        - If he had blown himself up, others would have been hurt or died.  freddie mertz   Dec-30-09 08:05 AM   #67 
        - Try reading what I said  FLDCVADem   Dec-30-09 05:31 PM   #120 
        - But they do in the scenario Pat is setting up - that he is an enemy combatant.  yellowcanine   Dec-30-09 08:34 AM   #73 
     - "...feeling sorry?" Who's feeling sorry for him? Got a link? I just believe the Constitution is  blondeatlast   Dec-29-09 09:41 PM   #36 
        - Sorry if you haven't read the pity party story on the front page of  FLDCVADem   Dec-29-09 09:42 PM   #37 
           - So you like how al Qaeda deals with things. Check. nt  blondeatlast   Dec-29-09 09:44 PM   #40 
           - Wonder if that one would line up to cast the first stone.  Ikonoklast   Dec-29-09 09:49 PM   #44 
              - I'd absolutely cast the first stone  FLDCVADem   Dec-29-09 09:52 PM   #47 
                 - So you like the al Qaeda way. Gotcha. nt  blondeatlast   Dec-29-09 09:53 PM   #48 
                 - Posting the same thing multiple times doesn't make it true  FLDCVADem   Dec-29-09 09:54 PM   #49 
                    - Their needle is fine.  YOY   Dec-30-09 08:15 AM   #70 
                    - Project much?  Zoeisright   Dec-30-09 10:47 AM   #91 
                 - I certainly believe that  Dogtown   Dec-30-09 08:47 AM   #75 
                 - Who will line up to cast the first stone at you if your government  tavalon   Dec-30-09 11:09 AM   #109 
           - Would you also support "lots of pain" for Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph?  SOS   Dec-30-09 10:55 AM   #99 
           - A terrorist is a terrorist  FLDCVADem   Dec-30-09 07:39 PM   #126 
              - We are both consistent, but in disagreement  SOS   Dec-31-09 10:13 AM   #129 
           - This jingoist crap belongs elsewhere, not on DU  tavalon   Dec-30-09 11:07 AM   #107 
           - I imagine many people believe...  LanternWaste   Dec-30-09 03:52 PM   #117 
  - Bullshit.  YOY   Dec-30-09 08:14 AM   #69 
  - In advocating the torture and inhumane treatment of this prisoner,  tavalon   Dec-30-09 11:00 AM   #103 
  - In advocating the torture and inhumane treatment of this prisoner,  tavalon   Dec-30-09 11:00 AM   #104 
  - We want him to go throught he legal process, the same way we  rasputin1952   Dec-31-09 06:55 PM   #136 
  - People who advocate prisoner abuse are not on the "left"...  freddie mertz   Dec-30-09 08:03 AM   #64 
  - Say something crazy, Uncle Pat! n/t  backscatter712   Dec-29-09 08:38 PM   #22 
  - Treated like a guy who held up a 7/11  walldude   Dec-29-09 08:40 PM   #23 
  - Actually, it's three or so TAX EXEMPTones;  blondeatlast   Dec-29-09 08:47 PM   #25 
  - Especially when he's treated exactly like a guy who hid bomb material in his shoes.  Overseas   Dec-30-09 11:19 AM   #110 
  - Muslim heat vision,  1awake   Dec-29-09 09:04 PM   #27 
  - We are lost souls  varelse   Dec-29-09 09:06 PM   #28 
  - Not me ....I know dang well torture is wrong..and so is war...  winyanstaz   Dec-29-09 10:16 PM   #58 
     - Our nation's founders also spoke up against it  varelse   Dec-30-09 07:57 AM   #61 
        - That is correct...  winyanstaz   Dec-30-09 02:53 PM   #115 
  - Torturing him will just create a martyr  daleo   Dec-29-09 10:02 PM   #50 
  - Exactly. Torturing the guy is pointless and illegal at best.  Quantess   Dec-29-09 10:07 PM   #51 
  - I guess Pat is saying that he is no longer a Christian....  winyanstaz   Dec-29-09 10:15 PM   #56 
  - True Christianity is hard  daleo   Dec-29-09 11:22 PM   #59 
  - Pat is a freak, and I am sickened by the pro-torture remarks in this thread.  freddie mertz   Dec-30-09 08:07 AM   #68 
  - Pat is a sick, evil man.  Odin2005   Dec-30-09 08:23 AM   #71 
  - Never mind that such a step is also a violation Geneva conventions.  yellowcanine   Dec-30-09 08:30 AM   #72 
  - that's why they're itching to name the guy an "enemy combatant"  librechik   Dec-30-09 01:52 PM   #113 
  - Pat and the neocons are terrified, cowardly people.  TexasObserver   Dec-30-09 08:48 AM   #76 
  - Unfortunately they're far from alone in that regard  depakid   Dec-30-09 05:37 PM   #124 
  - When will Pat return to the 19th century?  FSogol   Dec-30-09 09:06 AM   #79 
  - The barbarians supporting Pat on this thread should think about the company they keep  n2doc   Dec-30-09 09:15 AM   #80 
  - Agreed -- I'm appalled at the level of bloodlust.  MindPilot   Dec-30-09 10:01 AM   #84 
  - Someone wished for the death of an OP's mother yesterday - so nothing surprises me from the haters  Echo In Light   Dec-30-09 10:41 AM   #87 
     - Who? When? Where? Link please? -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-30-09 08:46 PM   #128 
  - Don't torture the guy. Give him pain meds, make sure he recovers comfortably..  mrbarber   Dec-30-09 10:18 AM   #85 
  - because it's only wrong when 'they' do it- mentality  Bluerthanblue   Dec-30-09 10:42 AM   #88 
  - War is not okay. Torture is not okay.  LWolf   Dec-30-09 10:56 AM   #100 
  - This creep has third-degree burns to his genitals  FloridaJudy   Dec-30-09 05:26 PM   #118 
  - Pat Buchanan is a sadistic bastard who doesn't believe that established law is enough...  Hekate   Dec-31-09 04:35 PM   #131 
  - I've posted a few times in this thread about human rights...  rasputin1952   Dec-31-09 07:07 PM   #137 
 

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