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Thu Dec-31-09 11:02 AM
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I'm pretty irritated by all the folks here who think that drinking espresso makes you "elite and status-hungry". Whether or not one likes Starbucks coffee, at least the chain made it possible to find espresso in the US at all.
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| -In These Times: The rise of Starbucks reveals how we really live, and it ain’t pretty |
marmar |
Dec-29-09 06:42 AM |
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Interesting. Thanks for posting. n/t |
Laelth |
Dec-29-09 06:51 AM |
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There isn't one aspect to America's mainstream culture that isn't 100% rooted in commerce |
Echo In Light |
Dec-29-09 06:54 AM |
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Very true.....Noam Chomsky summed it up nicely: |
marmar |
Dec-29-09 06:58 AM |
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Post a poll here re that and you'll be amazed at how many will downplay or disavow.... |
Echo In Light |
Dec-29-09 07:04 AM |
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That's because it's rarely a conspiracy. |
dmallind |
Dec-29-09 07:17 AM |
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Common marketing techniques among a wide range of subjects doesn't nullify how the corp/state nexus |
Echo In Light |
Dec-29-09 08:50 AM |
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It's also why the synergized corporate news media keeps the public in a constant state of panic. |
omega minimo |
Dec-29-09 01:40 PM |
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Consumer/Fear/Consumer/Fear |
Echo In Light |
Dec-31-09 08:43 AM |
#122 |
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Beef pushers used Vampire imagery in the campaigns in the 80's -- for those who say "subliminal" |
omega minimo |
Dec-29-09 01:37 PM |
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Some of the posts later down in this thread prove your point vividly |
marmar |
Dec-29-09 09:10 AM |
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No conspiracy needed. I think our commercialism is a pretty natural social dynamic. |
Silent3 |
Dec-29-09 10:09 AM |
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As stated, I agree, consumerism wasn't an initially imposed "conspiracy." |
Echo In Light |
Dec-29-09 10:47 AM |
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I'm not arguing against the negative effects of excessive consumerism... |
Silent3 |
Dec-29-09 01:02 PM |
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Well, the entire Corp culture is a media/marketed-saturated, man-made weather system |
Echo In Light |
Dec-29-09 03:24 PM |
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Is your logic basically... |
Silent3 |
Dec-29-09 07:55 PM |
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I've repeatedly stated that it's *not* all an overt 'conspiracy' |
Echo In Light |
Dec-31-09 07:23 AM |
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Whether manipulation and intrusion into our lives and individual choices |
Ron Green |
Dec-29-09 11:04 AM |
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I certainly don't recommend giving up and giving in... |
Silent3 |
Dec-29-09 01:29 PM |
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Fragmentation of the message |
Ron Green |
Dec-29-09 01:55 PM |
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"I sure wish there was even a little bit of real journalism left" |
Silent3 |
Dec-29-09 02:14 PM |
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and will defend that choices they make without taking responsibility for them -- or consequences |
omega minimo |
Dec-29-09 01:34 PM |
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...or being capable of realizing 'their' thoughts/beliefs stem from external, agenda-setting sources |
Echo In Light |
Dec-29-09 03:27 PM |
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Have you read Tom Frank? |
omega minimo |
Dec-29-09 07:33 PM |
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I've always been an oddball, and those who find themselves in that position tend to perceive .... |
Echo In Light |
Dec-30-09 12:13 PM |
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I love it |
omega minimo |
Dec-30-09 02:26 PM |
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Interesting. Thanks for posting this. nt |
snagglepuss |
Dec-29-09 09:04 AM |
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Some of those corporations have now developed "Created Needs," |
Skidmore |
Dec-29-09 09:17 AM |
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Great quote---can you tell me which book/article it's from? nt |
raccoon |
Dec-29-09 09:54 AM |
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It's actually from the film "The Corporation" |
marmar |
Dec-29-09 09:57 AM |
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Do you have a source for this other than from the film "The Corporation"? |
Greyhound |
Dec-31-09 01:40 PM |
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sounds like a fascinating read. thanks for posting. |
cali |
Dec-29-09 07:00 AM |
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De nada. |
marmar |
Dec-29-09 07:01 AM |
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Freedom... |
KharmaTrain |
Dec-29-09 07:06 AM |
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and this, sadly, is why communism ultimately fails |
zippy890 |
Dec-29-09 07:31 AM |
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The Real Failure Of Communism = Human Nature |
KharmaTrain |
Dec-29-09 07:40 AM |
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Wow I've never bought a cup |
malaise |
Dec-29-09 07:22 AM |
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Glad I'm not the only one |
lastliberalintexas |
Dec-29-09 07:47 AM |
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Same here |
malaise |
Dec-29-09 07:53 AM |
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Blue Mountain is awesome |
Neecy |
Dec-29-09 01:36 PM |
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blue mountain coffee is expensive and can be hard to get, because japan buys most of the crop. |
dysfunctional press |
Dec-30-09 09:35 AM |
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Where do you get your Blue Mountain? |
dmr |
Dec-30-09 12:27 PM |
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I order it here |
Neecy |
Dec-30-09 06:12 PM |
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Thanks, Neecy |
dmr |
Dec-30-09 08:41 PM |
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Stay thirsty, my friend |
Neecy |
Dec-30-09 10:34 PM |
#107 |
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I went to one in an airport once. |
postulater |
Dec-29-09 08:31 AM |
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There's a comedian who does a stand up about that....I can't remember his name, but... |
marmar |
Dec-29-09 08:33 AM |
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Denis Leary n/t |
MadrasT |
Dec-29-09 11:00 AM |
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You got yer capucinno, frappucinno, al pacinno...n/t |
TransitJohn |
Dec-30-09 04:39 PM |
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in my 49 years, i've consumed less than 1/4 cup of coffee, total. |
dysfunctional press |
Dec-30-09 09:30 AM |
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Starbucks "Olive Gardened" the Cafe Scene |
NashVegas |
Dec-29-09 07:40 AM |
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Uh, there is one on every corner. When did you visit? NT |
juajen |
Dec-29-09 09:04 AM |
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4-5 Years Ago |
NashVegas |
Dec-29-09 10:48 AM |
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I can't imagine how you toured Seattle 4 years ago without seeing |
quiller4 |
Dec-29-09 01:24 PM |
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and some across the street from each other |
rufus dog |
Dec-29-09 02:05 PM |
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seattle since gates & starbucks = hell. |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-29-09 07:39 PM |
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Just Lucky, I Guess |
NashVegas |
Dec-29-09 04:40 PM |
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Up here in Bangor, Maine... |
Lost Jaguar |
Dec-29-09 07:50 AM |
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Umm...okay. |
marmar |
Dec-29-09 07:55 AM |
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Thanks for taking up for Starbucks! |
juajen |
Dec-29-09 08:59 AM |
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OMG, I think I want to move to Maine if it's NOT the trendy place to be! |
earth mom |
Dec-29-09 09:21 AM |
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You could move to Nebraska. No danger of trendiness here. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-29-09 10:23 AM |
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Well, I did like Nebraska when I passed through about 15 or 16 years ago. |
earth mom |
Dec-29-09 03:15 PM |
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As much contempt as I have for Ben Nelson... |
ReverendDeuce |
Dec-31-09 06:45 AM |
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It is a good city. I live closer to Lincoln, which also is a nice town. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-31-09 11:17 AM |
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My right-wing relatives... |
Lost Jaguar |
Dec-29-09 10:24 AM |
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I'm agnostic, so maybe I wouldn't fit in so well, even though I'm tempted by Maine's beauty. |
earth mom |
Dec-29-09 03:01 PM |
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Maine is one of the least-religious states in the country. You'll be ok. |
mainer |
Dec-30-09 03:06 PM |
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Don't get the wrong impression... |
Lost Jaguar |
Dec-31-09 05:49 AM |
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Just remember how FEW coffee shops there were in the fifties... |
philly_bob |
Dec-29-09 08:21 AM |
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Drinking |
kctim |
Dec-29-09 08:50 AM |
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"that becomes dependent on its govt." |
marmar |
Dec-29-09 08:53 AM |
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The truth is the truth |
kctim |
Dec-29-09 09:14 AM |
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It's only the truth viewed through a right-wing lense. |
marmar |
Dec-29-09 09:15 AM |
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Nope |
kctim |
Dec-29-09 10:17 AM |
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Spending on oneself? .... What does that have to do with your statement.... |
marmar |
Dec-29-09 10:21 AM |
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You should read the statement |
kctim |
Dec-29-09 10:47 AM |
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What's wrong with that? |
ieoeja |
Dec-29-09 02:43 PM |
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Ah, the "ME" group speaks |
kctim |
Dec-29-09 03:34 PM |
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I am the one who sees all of us as part of society. |
ieoeja |
Dec-29-09 04:07 PM |
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Really? |
kctim |
Dec-29-09 04:46 PM |
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What actions of mine are you looking at? |
ieoeja |
Dec-30-09 09:28 AM |
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Typical |
kctim |
Dec-30-09 10:21 AM |
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with people spoiling themselves a little. (nt) |
ieoeja |
Dec-30-09 11:56 AM |
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Of course there isn't |
kctim |
Dec-30-09 03:28 PM |
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You actually prefer the Bushes over the Kennedys? |
ieoeja |
Dec-30-09 04:15 PM |
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Wrong |
kctim |
Dec-30-09 04:30 PM |
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No, you did criticise the concept of paying taxes |
muriel_volestrangler |
Dec-31-09 05:22 AM |
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He believes anybody who says they care, but do not devote their whole life to charity is a hypocrite |
ieoeja |
Dec-31-09 09:15 AM |
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I think what he's saying is that morally we shouldn't *have to tax the rich. |
Gwendolyn |
Dec-31-09 09:28 AM |
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Quite the opposite |
kctim |
Dec-31-09 10:15 AM |
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No, I basically got what you said. You may not like my using the word morals... |
Gwendolyn |
Dec-31-09 10:33 AM |
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It is impossible to be both rich and a liberal |
kctim |
Dec-31-09 09:50 AM |
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You're not making sense |
muriel_volestrangler |
Dec-31-09 12:08 PM |
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Our govt |
kctim |
Dec-31-09 01:32 PM |
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Now you're getting Jesusy again |
muriel_volestrangler |
Dec-31-09 03:20 PM |
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Its not about the needy |
kctim |
Dec-31-09 03:36 PM |
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If you read through the discussion |
kctim |
Dec-31-09 09:39 AM |
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Please check out my post above. |
juajen |
Dec-29-09 09:07 AM |
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Starbucks: A History of Union Busting ..... from The Nation |
marmar |
Dec-29-09 09:20 AM |
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Wasn't talking about Starbucks |
kctim |
Dec-29-09 09:25 AM |
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Good post, +1. |
Dappleganger |
Dec-29-09 10:27 AM |
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For fairness sake they need to research (project) the hidden motivators behind Houlihan's clientele. |
phasma ex machina |
Dec-29-09 09:07 AM |
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Nothing hidden -- the spinach salad with hot bacon and honey mustard dressing tastes good. |
WorseBeforeBetter |
Dec-29-09 07:43 PM |
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Meh, it's just coffee |
treestar |
Dec-29-09 09:09 AM |
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I much prefer some of the other coffee shops out there - Caribou or Scooters or Panera |
cbdo2007 |
Dec-29-09 09:10 AM |
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My favorite and best priced beverage from Starbucks is an iced Americano ($2.64) |
goldcanyonaz |
Dec-29-09 09:12 AM |
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I make my own coffee |
Mari333 |
Dec-29-09 09:13 AM |
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Actually .......... the BEST coffee |
polly7 |
Dec-29-09 09:53 AM |
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death to the bourgeoisie! |
WT Fuheck |
Dec-29-09 10:21 AM |
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Some people crave status. |
Igel |
Dec-29-09 01:00 PM |
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That's true about status |
Generator |
Dec-29-09 02:44 PM |
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The whole coffee shop thing simply never appealed to me. |
MindPilot |
Dec-29-09 01:18 PM |
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You can get the same thing at Starbucks for $1.75 where the ... |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Dec-29-09 02:28 PM |
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Who's "We"? |
omega minimo |
Dec-29-09 01:24 PM |
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sometimes coffee is just coffee |
la_chupa |
Dec-29-09 01:44 PM |
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Yes |
murdoch |
Dec-31-09 06:59 AM |
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In the whole scheme of things ... I have to say I don't give it much thought |
rufus dog |
Dec-29-09 02:11 PM |
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Fascinating read. Thank you. |
That Is Quite Enough |
Dec-29-09 02:20 PM |
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Sounds Like |
RobinA |
Dec-29-09 03:21 PM |
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I don't drink coffee, but as usual, someone really overthought things |
ecstatic |
Dec-29-09 03:30 PM |
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I hate Starbucks- I much prefer Dunkins or Honey Dew. |
Tailormyst |
Dec-30-09 12:02 PM |
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Or, some people got tired of drinking shitty fast food coffee. |
MilesColtrane |
Dec-30-09 01:09 PM |
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And they'd rather have shitty $3 coffee instead.... |
marmar |
Dec-31-09 06:53 AM |
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McDonald's coffee isn't too bad... |
jakefrep |
Dec-31-09 10:19 AM |
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Before Starbucks, try finding a good espresso or cappuccino in podunk. |
mainer |
Dec-30-09 03:04 PM |
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You consider Starbucks' cappuccino good? |
marmar |
Dec-31-09 06:51 AM |
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best cappuccino is made at my own house |
mainer |
Dec-31-09 08:26 AM |
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So espresso is OK in Italy, but hoity toity in the US? |
mainer |
Dec-30-09 03:14 PM |
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i only go to Starbucks when the company pays for it |
dugaresa |
Dec-30-09 06:15 PM |
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Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf is a lot better than Starbucks |
JI7 |
Dec-30-09 10:56 PM |
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Starbucks has to do with "status, identity and aspirations" |
mcablue |
Dec-31-09 05:55 AM |
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No. It has to do with coffee. In Europe it's not about "status" |
mainer |
Dec-31-09 08:30 AM |
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Hanging at Starbucks in the US is like going to Europe and staying at a Moevenpick. |
Gwendolyn |
Dec-31-09 09:42 AM |
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But try finding any espresso at all BEFORE Starbucks existed. |
mainer |
Dec-31-09 11:05 AM |
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Yeah, I know. Some of us are lucky to have always lived where there are neighborhood cafes. |
Gwendolyn |
Dec-31-09 11:11 AM |
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I could never understand the fascination with Starbucks |
Le Taz Hot |
Dec-31-09 07:01 AM |
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it does taste burnt, doesn't it? never go there because i make better coffee at home |
bedazzled |
Dec-31-09 07:05 AM |
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I've never understood the attraction to Starbucks. |
Kalyke |
Dec-31-09 08:30 AM |
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What's frickin' uppity about a frickin' espresso???? |
WilmywoodNCparalegal |
Dec-31-09 08:50 AM |
#123 |
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I agree! |
many a good man |
Dec-31-09 10:15 AM |
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Absolutely yes! |
mainer |
Dec-31-09 11:02 AM |
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I'm shocked at how much money people blow on Starbucks coffee |
marshall |
Dec-31-09 10:23 AM |
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I am thrilled to say -- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Dec-31-09 11:29 AM |
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*Whoosh* |
Greyhound |
Dec-31-09 01:44 PM |
#142 |
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