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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 02:14 PM
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68. "I sure wish there was even a little bit of real journalism left"
I'm with you on that. Or more to the point, more exposure and better funding for the real journalism and journalists who are out there but unable to reach large audiences. I just wish I had a good idea about what to do about the problem.
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  -In These Times: The rise of Starbucks reveals how we really live, and it aint pretty marmar  Dec-29-09 06:42 AM   #0 
  - Interesting. Thanks for posting. n/t  Laelth   Dec-29-09 06:51 AM   #1 
  - There isn't one aspect to America's mainstream culture that isn't 100% rooted in commerce  Echo In Light   Dec-29-09 06:54 AM   #2 
  - Very true.....Noam Chomsky summed it up nicely:  marmar   Dec-29-09 06:58 AM   #3 
     - Post a poll here re that and you'll be amazed at how many will downplay or disavow....  Echo In Light   Dec-29-09 07:04 AM   #6 
     - That's because it's rarely a conspiracy.  dmallind   Dec-29-09 07:17 AM   #8 
     - Common marketing techniques among a wide range of subjects doesn't nullify how the corp/state nexus  Echo In Light   Dec-29-09 08:50 AM   #21 
     - It's also why the synergized corporate news media keeps the public in a constant state of panic.  omega minimo   Dec-29-09 01:40 PM   #63 
        - Consumer/Fear/Consumer/Fear  Echo In Light   Dec-31-09 08:43 AM   #122 
     - Beef pushers used Vampire imagery in the campaigns in the 80's -- for those who say "subliminal"  omega minimo   Dec-29-09 01:37 PM   #62 
     - Some of the posts later down in this thread prove your point vividly  marmar   Dec-29-09 09:10 AM   #29 
     - No conspiracy needed. I think our commercialism is a pretty natural social dynamic.  Silent3   Dec-29-09 10:09 AM   #42 
     - As stated, I agree, consumerism wasn't an initially imposed "conspiracy."  Echo In Light   Dec-29-09 10:47 AM   #50 
     - I'm not arguing against the negative effects of excessive consumerism...  Silent3   Dec-29-09 01:02 PM   #55 
        - Well, the entire Corp culture is a media/marketed-saturated, man-made weather system  Echo In Light   Dec-29-09 03:24 PM   #76 
           - Is your logic basically...  Silent3   Dec-29-09 07:55 PM   #86 
              - I've repeatedly stated that it's *not* all an overt 'conspiracy'  Echo In Light   Dec-31-09 07:23 AM   #118 
     - Whether manipulation and intrusion into our lives and individual choices  Ron Green   Dec-29-09 11:04 AM   #53 
        - I certainly don't recommend giving up and giving in...  Silent3   Dec-29-09 01:29 PM   #59 
           - Fragmentation of the message  Ron Green   Dec-29-09 01:55 PM   #65 
              - "I sure wish there was even a little bit of real journalism left"  Silent3   Dec-29-09 02:14 PM   #68 
     - and will defend that choices they make without taking responsibility for them -- or consequences  omega minimo   Dec-29-09 01:34 PM   #60 
        - ...or being capable of realizing 'their' thoughts/beliefs stem from external, agenda-setting sources  Echo In Light   Dec-29-09 03:27 PM   #77 
           - Have you read Tom Frank?  omega minimo   Dec-29-09 07:33 PM   #83 
              - I've always been an oddball, and those who find themselves in that position tend to perceive ....  Echo In Light   Dec-30-09 12:13 PM   #93 
                 - I love it  omega minimo   Dec-30-09 02:26 PM   #96 
     - Interesting. Thanks for posting this. nt  snagglepuss   Dec-29-09 09:04 AM   #24 
     - Some of those corporations have now developed "Created Needs,"  Skidmore   Dec-29-09 09:17 AM   #35 
     - Great quote---can you tell me which book/article it's from? nt  raccoon   Dec-29-09 09:54 AM   #40 
     - It's actually from the film "The Corporation"  marmar   Dec-29-09 09:57 AM   #41 
     - Do you have a source for this other than from the film "The Corporation"?  Greyhound   Dec-31-09 01:40 PM   #141 
  - sounds like a fascinating read. thanks for posting.  cali   Dec-29-09 07:00 AM   #4 
  - De nada.  marmar   Dec-29-09 07:01 AM   #5 
  - Freedom...  KharmaTrain   Dec-29-09 07:06 AM   #7 
  - and this, sadly, is why communism ultimately fails  zippy890   Dec-29-09 07:31 AM   #10 
     - The Real Failure Of Communism = Human Nature  KharmaTrain   Dec-29-09 07:40 AM   #11 
  - Wow I've never bought a cup  malaise   Dec-29-09 07:22 AM   #9 
  - Glad I'm not the only one  lastliberalintexas   Dec-29-09 07:47 AM   #13 
  - Same here  malaise   Dec-29-09 07:53 AM   #15 
     - Blue Mountain is awesome  Neecy   Dec-29-09 01:36 PM   #61 
        - blue mountain coffee is expensive and can be hard to get, because japan buys most of the crop.  dysfunctional press   Dec-30-09 09:35 AM   #89 
        - Where do you get your Blue Mountain?  dmr   Dec-30-09 12:27 PM   #94 
           - I order it here  Neecy   Dec-30-09 06:12 PM   #104 
              - Thanks, Neecy  dmr   Dec-30-09 08:41 PM   #106 
                 - Stay thirsty, my friend  Neecy   Dec-30-09 10:34 PM   #107 
  - I went to one in an airport once.  postulater   Dec-29-09 08:31 AM   #18 
  - There's a comedian who does a stand up about that....I can't remember his name, but...  marmar   Dec-29-09 08:33 AM   #19 
     - Denis Leary n/t  MadrasT   Dec-29-09 11:00 AM   #52 
        - You got yer capucinno, frappucinno, al pacinno...n/t  TransitJohn   Dec-30-09 04:39 PM   #103 
  - in my 49 years, i've consumed less than 1/4 cup of coffee, total.  dysfunctional press   Dec-30-09 09:30 AM   #88 
  - Starbucks "Olive Gardened" the Cafe Scene  NashVegas   Dec-29-09 07:40 AM   #12 
  - Uh, there is one on every corner. When did you visit? NT  juajen   Dec-29-09 09:04 AM   #25 
     - 4-5 Years Ago  NashVegas   Dec-29-09 10:48 AM   #51 
        - I can't imagine how you toured Seattle 4 years ago without seeing  quiller4   Dec-29-09 01:24 PM   #57 
           - and some across the street from each other  rufus dog   Dec-29-09 02:05 PM   #66 
           - seattle since gates & starbucks = hell.  Hannah Bell   Dec-29-09 07:39 PM   #84 
           - Just Lucky, I Guess  NashVegas   Dec-29-09 04:40 PM   #81 
  - Up here in Bangor, Maine...  Lost Jaguar   Dec-29-09 07:50 AM   #14 
  - Umm...okay.  marmar   Dec-29-09 07:55 AM   #16 
  - Thanks for taking up for Starbucks!  juajen   Dec-29-09 08:59 AM   #23 
  - OMG, I think I want to move to Maine if it's NOT the trendy place to be!  earth mom   Dec-29-09 09:21 AM   #37 
     - You could move to Nebraska. No danger of trendiness here.  TwilightGardener   Dec-29-09 10:23 AM   #46 
     - Well, I did like Nebraska when I passed through about 15 or 16 years ago.  earth mom   Dec-29-09 03:15 PM   #74 
     - As much contempt as I have for Ben Nelson...  ReverendDeuce   Dec-31-09 06:45 AM   #112 
        - It is a good city. I live closer to Lincoln, which also is a nice town.  TwilightGardener   Dec-31-09 11:17 AM   #137 
     - My right-wing relatives...  Lost Jaguar   Dec-29-09 10:24 AM   #47 
        - I'm agnostic, so maybe I wouldn't fit in so well, even though I'm tempted by Maine's beauty.  earth mom   Dec-29-09 03:01 PM   #73 
           - Maine is one of the least-religious states in the country. You'll be ok.  mainer   Dec-30-09 03:06 PM   #98 
           - Don't get the wrong impression...  Lost Jaguar   Dec-31-09 05:49 AM   #110 
  - Just remember how FEW coffee shops there were in the fifties...  philly_bob   Dec-29-09 08:21 AM   #17 
  - Drinking  kctim   Dec-29-09 08:50 AM   #20 
  - "that becomes dependent on its govt."  marmar   Dec-29-09 08:53 AM   #22 
  - The truth is the truth  kctim   Dec-29-09 09:14 AM   #33 
     - It's only the truth viewed through a right-wing lense.  marmar   Dec-29-09 09:15 AM   #34 
        - Nope  kctim   Dec-29-09 10:17 AM   #43 
           - Spending on oneself? .... What does that have to do with your statement....  marmar   Dec-29-09 10:21 AM   #44 
              - You should read the statement  kctim   Dec-29-09 10:47 AM   #49 
                 - What's wrong with that?  ieoeja   Dec-29-09 02:43 PM   #71 
                    - Ah, the "ME" group speaks  kctim   Dec-29-09 03:34 PM   #79 
                       - I am the one who sees all of us as part of society.  ieoeja   Dec-29-09 04:07 PM   #80 
                          - Really?  kctim   Dec-29-09 04:46 PM   #82 
                             - What actions of mine are you looking at?  ieoeja   Dec-30-09 09:28 AM   #87 
                                - Typical  kctim   Dec-30-09 10:21 AM   #90 
                                   - There is absolutely nothing wrong with people spoiling themselves a little. (nt)  ieoeja   Dec-30-09 11:56 AM   #91 
                                   - Of course there isn't  kctim   Dec-30-09 03:28 PM   #100 
                                      - You actually prefer the Bushes over the Kennedys?  ieoeja   Dec-30-09 04:15 PM   #101 
                                         - Wrong  kctim   Dec-30-09 04:30 PM   #102 
                                   - No, you did criticise the concept of paying taxes  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-31-09 05:22 AM   #109 
                                      - He believes anybody who says they care, but do not devote their whole life to charity is a hypocrite  ieoeja   Dec-31-09 09:15 AM   #124 
                                      - I think what he's saying is that morally we shouldn't *have to tax the rich.  Gwendolyn   Dec-31-09 09:28 AM   #125 
                                      - Quite the opposite  kctim   Dec-31-09 10:15 AM   #129 
                                         - No, I basically got what you said. You may not like my using the word morals...  Gwendolyn   Dec-31-09 10:33 AM   #133 
                                      - It is impossible to be both rich and a liberal  kctim   Dec-31-09 09:50 AM   #128 
                                         - You're not making sense  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-31-09 12:08 PM   #139 
                                            - Our govt  kctim   Dec-31-09 01:32 PM   #140 
                                               - Now you're getting Jesusy again  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-31-09 03:20 PM   #143 
                                               - Its not about the needy  kctim   Dec-31-09 03:36 PM   #144 
                                      - If you read through the discussion  kctim   Dec-31-09 09:39 AM   #126 
  - Please check out my post above.  juajen   Dec-29-09 09:07 AM   #27 
  - Starbucks: A History of Union Busting ..... from The Nation  marmar   Dec-29-09 09:20 AM   #36 
  - Wasn't talking about Starbucks  kctim   Dec-29-09 09:25 AM   #38 
  - Good post, +1.  Dappleganger   Dec-29-09 10:27 AM   #48 
  - For fairness sake they need to research (project) the hidden motivators behind Houlihan's clientele.  phasma ex machina   Dec-29-09 09:07 AM   #26 
  - Nothing hidden -- the spinach salad with hot bacon and honey mustard dressing tastes good.  WorseBeforeBetter   Dec-29-09 07:43 PM   #85 
  - Meh, it's just coffee  treestar   Dec-29-09 09:09 AM   #28 
  - I much prefer some of the other coffee shops out there - Caribou or Scooters or Panera  cbdo2007   Dec-29-09 09:10 AM   #30 
  - My favorite and best priced beverage from Starbucks is an iced Americano ($2.64)  goldcanyonaz   Dec-29-09 09:12 AM   #31 
  - I make my own coffee  Mari333   Dec-29-09 09:13 AM   #32 
  - Actually .......... the BEST coffee  polly7   Dec-29-09 09:53 AM   #39 
  - death to the bourgeoisie!  WT Fuheck   Dec-29-09 10:21 AM   #45 
  - Some people crave status.  Igel   Dec-29-09 01:00 PM   #54 
  - That's true about status  Generator   Dec-29-09 02:44 PM   #72 
  - The whole coffee shop thing simply never appealed to me.  MindPilot   Dec-29-09 01:18 PM   #56 
  - You can get the same thing at Starbucks for $1.75 where the ...  Hassin Bin Sober   Dec-29-09 02:28 PM   #70 
  - Who's "We"?  omega minimo   Dec-29-09 01:24 PM   #58 
  - sometimes coffee is just coffee  la_chupa   Dec-29-09 01:44 PM   #64 
  - Yes  murdoch   Dec-31-09 06:59 AM   #115 
  - In the whole scheme of things ... I have to say I don't give it much thought  rufus dog   Dec-29-09 02:11 PM   #67 
  - Fascinating read. Thank you.  That Is Quite Enough   Dec-29-09 02:20 PM   #69 
  - Sounds Like  RobinA   Dec-29-09 03:21 PM   #75 
  - I don't drink coffee, but as usual, someone really overthought things  ecstatic   Dec-29-09 03:30 PM   #78 
  - I hate Starbucks- I much prefer Dunkins or Honey Dew.  Tailormyst   Dec-30-09 12:02 PM   #92 
  - Or, some people got tired of drinking shitty fast food coffee.  MilesColtrane   Dec-30-09 01:09 PM   #95 
  - And they'd rather have shitty $3 coffee instead....  marmar   Dec-31-09 06:53 AM   #114 
  - McDonald's coffee isn't too bad...  jakefrep   Dec-31-09 10:19 AM   #131 
  - Before Starbucks, try finding a good espresso or cappuccino in podunk.  mainer   Dec-30-09 03:04 PM   #97 
  - You consider Starbucks' cappuccino good?  marmar   Dec-31-09 06:51 AM   #113 
     - best cappuccino is made at my own house  mainer   Dec-31-09 08:26 AM   #119 
  - So espresso is OK in Italy, but hoity toity in the US?  mainer   Dec-30-09 03:14 PM   #99 
  - i only go to Starbucks when the company pays for it  dugaresa   Dec-30-09 06:15 PM   #105 
  - Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf is a lot better than Starbucks  JI7   Dec-30-09 10:56 PM   #108 
  - Starbucks has to do with "status, identity and aspirations"  mcablue   Dec-31-09 05:55 AM   #111 
  - No. It has to do with coffee. In Europe it's not about "status"  mainer   Dec-31-09 08:30 AM   #120 
     - Hanging at Starbucks in the US is like going to Europe and staying at a Moevenpick.  Gwendolyn   Dec-31-09 09:42 AM   #127 
        - But try finding any espresso at all BEFORE Starbucks existed.  mainer   Dec-31-09 11:05 AM   #135 
           - Yeah, I know. Some of us are lucky to have always lived where there are neighborhood cafes.  Gwendolyn   Dec-31-09 11:11 AM   #136 
  - I could never understand the fascination with Starbucks  Le Taz Hot   Dec-31-09 07:01 AM   #116 
  - it does taste burnt, doesn't it? never go there because i make better coffee at home  bedazzled   Dec-31-09 07:05 AM   #117 
  - I've never understood the attraction to Starbucks.  Kalyke   Dec-31-09 08:30 AM   #121 
  - What's frickin' uppity about a frickin' espresso????  WilmywoodNCparalegal   Dec-31-09 08:50 AM   #123 
  - I agree!  many a good man   Dec-31-09 10:15 AM   #130 
  - Absolutely yes!  mainer   Dec-31-09 11:02 AM   #134 
  - I'm shocked at how much money people blow on Starbucks coffee  marshall   Dec-31-09 10:23 AM   #132 
  - I am thrilled to say --  Hell Hath No Fury   Dec-31-09 11:29 AM   #138 
  - *Whoosh*  Greyhound   Dec-31-09 01:44 PM   #142 
 

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