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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #19
90. well said
That's a keeper: "I just assume it's some neo-Tammany cultist or a Daley/Cianci-style loyalty flack"
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  -Criticizing the President on Health Care is Naderite and Hurts the Progressive Agenda - FDL WillyT  Dec-28-09 06:35 PM   #0 
  - Oye  bluestateguy   Dec-28-09 06:37 PM   #1 
  - Oye, oye...  Skidmore   Dec-28-09 06:39 PM   #2 
  - .  ProSense   Dec-28-09 06:41 PM   #3 
  - Yes, failure to criticize the administration's policies when they favor the right hurts the  laughingliberal   Dec-28-09 06:42 PM   #4 
  - Yes. And even worse, it will hurt the American people.  Nikki Stone1   Dec-28-09 06:43 PM   #6 
     - True and my point is if the American people are hurt, I damn sure don't want the label "progressive"  laughingliberal   Dec-28-09 06:44 PM   #8 
        - Agreed.  Nikki Stone1   Dec-28-09 07:18 PM   #25 
  - hmmm  DJ13   Dec-28-09 06:43 PM   #5 
  - Jane Hamsher - Moving ever faster over the cliff  WeDidIt   Dec-28-09 06:43 PM   #7 
  - Actually, she's right  DJ13   Dec-28-09 06:47 PM   #9 
  - No, she's dead wrong, and an egomaniac at that, too.  WeDidIt   Dec-28-09 06:49 PM   # 
     - You're blind, no point in continuing this  DJ13   Dec-28-09 06:51 PM   #12 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-28-09 06:52 PM   #14 
     - Well, since we know that Rahm screamed at the  sabrina 1   Dec-29-09 02:51 PM   #94 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-28-09 06:49 PM   #10 
  - what's so moronic about it?  ima_sinnic   Dec-28-09 07:02 PM   #21 
  - +100  WillyT   Dec-28-09 07:12 PM   #24 
  - You go girl.  snagglepuss   Dec-28-09 07:39 PM   #31 
  - +1  leftstreet   Dec-29-09 12:56 AM   #49 
  - >>I will be watching to see what Obama is really about.  tbyg52   Dec-29-09 09:58 AM   #69 
  - Recommending Post #21 by ima_sinnic.  bvar22   Dec-29-09 02:27 PM   #87 
  - f@ckin' A  leeroysphitz   Dec-29-09 02:42 PM   #91 
  - +1  get the red out   Dec-28-09 07:35 PM   #30 
     - Wow... Deep Fart !!!  WillyT   Dec-28-09 08:08 PM   #39 
     - isn't that a puma in your avatar? strange ... (nt)  ima_sinnic   Dec-28-09 08:14 PM   #42 
  - .  HughMoran   Dec-28-09 06:50 PM   #11 
  - Failure to criticize if you think criticism is due isn't democracy.  Goldstein1984   Dec-28-09 06:51 PM   #13 
  - Well Said...  WillyT   Dec-28-09 06:53 PM   #15 
  - +1  liberal_at_heart   Dec-28-09 06:58 PM   #18 
  - One of the problems is it appears that many no longer want a democracy.  TheWatcher   Dec-28-09 07:01 PM   #20 
     - "So This Is How Liberty Dies.....With Thunderous Applause"  Goldstein1984   Dec-28-09 07:08 PM   #23 
     - Really good post. "They want to feel good, be on a "winning team"  snagglepuss   Dec-28-09 07:55 PM   #35 
        - You Are Correct About The Sports Mindset...  WillyT   Dec-28-09 08:03 PM   #38 
           - Then once your on the winning team, the only thing that matters is the game.  snagglepuss   Dec-28-09 08:14 PM   #41 
              - Bingo !!!  WillyT   Dec-28-09 08:44 PM   #45 
                 - I can't play politics that way. Call me naive, but  Goldstein1984   Dec-28-09 11:43 PM   #47 
  - Every day that I am on this board it becomes more and more obvious to me that the democratic party  liberal_at_heart   Dec-28-09 06:54 PM   #16 
  - +1  DJ13   Dec-28-09 06:55 PM   #17 
  - +++1x10^25 you speak for me  ima_sinnic   Dec-28-09 07:06 PM   #22 
  - When the Republican Party imploded I expected a huge wave of immigration.  glitch   Dec-28-09 07:35 PM   #29 
  - The "A third party cannot win" meme is a construct of the two RULING PARTIES. Every time  bertman   Dec-29-09 01:28 AM   #52 
     - It's not BS. A third party has no chance.  Confusious   Dec-29-09 05:59 AM   #61 
     - Confusious, certainly they do not have a chance at an electoral sweep or gaining majority status  bertman   Dec-29-09 12:41 PM   #74 
     - I agree with you it would be great to have more then one party  Confusious   Dec-29-09 12:52 PM   #76 
        - It's not JUST "the system". It's also our American tendency to absorb what the Corporate Media  bertman   Dec-29-09 01:11 PM   #81 
     - I don't want a 3rd Party.  bvar22   Dec-29-09 02:31 PM   #88 
     - delete.  bvar22   Dec-29-09 02:31 PM   #89 
     - ++++1  ima_sinnic   Dec-29-09 07:14 AM   #68 
     - Until we clean up how votes are counted -- by corporations, corporatists will "win" the vote counts.  glitch   Dec-29-09 10:25 AM   #71 
        - I agree that we need to clean up our voting methodology, but to use that as an excuse is  bertman   Dec-29-09 12:46 PM   #75 
           - I say vote, I don't say who to vote for. I think you might be projecting an argument onto me  glitch   Dec-29-09 02:47 PM   #92 
  - There is also a spine problem with many of the Dems.  L0oniX   Dec-28-09 07:54 PM   #34 
  - Indeed. It has been very worrisome.  Blasphemer   Dec-28-09 09:09 PM   #46 
  - "It is the broken democratic party that is putting republicans in office."  Jamastiene   Dec-29-09 06:45 AM   #66 
  - Let's consider WHAT we are defending when we reflexively defend the President then:  TiberiusGracchus   Dec-29-09 12:29 PM   #72 
  - +100000000000000000  shadesofgray   Dec-29-09 02:55 PM   #96 
  - I'm very close to that also.  sendero   Dec-29-09 03:00 PM   #97 
  - whenever someone claims that the left is "playing into" the hands of the right,  MisterP   Dec-28-09 07:01 PM   #19 
  - +++1000  laughingliberal   Dec-28-09 07:23 PM   #26 
  - well said  Moochy   Dec-29-09 02:37 PM   #90 
  - How embarrassing for Katrina. n/t  EFerrari   Dec-28-09 07:23 PM   #27 
  - really, she's been pressured & caved! K & R  amborin   Dec-28-09 07:26 PM   #28 
  - i doubt it.  Hannah Bell   Dec-29-09 02:16 AM   #55 
     - ok but i disagree  amborin   Dec-29-09 03:30 AM   #58 
        - what i meant is, she didn't have to be pressured. i don't think the nation is progressive, either.  Hannah Bell   Dec-29-09 06:32 AM   #64 
           - I go to "The Nation" frequently enough to consider it a Progressive site. It's not always  bertman   Dec-29-09 12:55 PM   #78 
           - Their Venezuela correspondent was Vivanco's #2 guy.  EFerrari   Dec-29-09 01:50 PM   #85 
  - Washington Bubble... Strikes Again  WillyT   Dec-28-09 07:45 PM   #32 
  - Hamsher the attention whore writes "Rahm Emanuels need for self-promotion" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA  KittyWampus   Dec-28-09 07:46 PM   #33 
  - Isn't the main criticism of the President is that he left Congress to its own devices?  rucky   Dec-28-09 07:56 PM   #36 
  - precisely.  ima_sinnic   Dec-28-09 08:09 PM   #40 
  - Publicly, so he can create an appearence of distance from the final bill  DJ13   Dec-28-09 08:29 PM   #43 
     - and also he can distance himself if and when the shit hits the fan and people SEE they are getting  Donnachaidh   Dec-28-09 08:44 PM   #44 
     - It's an embarrassingly transparent ploy which is going to bite them in the ass.  jgraz   Dec-29-09 12:50 AM   #48 
     - he's either weak & inept or machiavellian & deceitful. either way, he looks bad  Hannah Bell   Dec-29-09 02:19 AM   #56 
        - Nobody said the boosters were big on logic.  jgraz   Dec-29-09 02:31 AM   #57 
        - My thoughts exactly. nt  tbyg52   Dec-29-09 10:05 AM   #70 
     - The senate was already bought and sold by pharma.  rucky   Dec-29-09 01:36 PM   #84 
  - Because American voters respond so well to "shut up and eat your health insurance" style messages.  McCamy Taylor   Dec-28-09 08:01 PM   #37 
  - Can't be. Hamsher asked Van den Heuvel about it and she defended it. n/t  clear eye   Dec-29-09 04:56 AM   #60 
  - I wonder about that too sometimes. //nt  Overseas   Dec-29-09 02:54 PM   #95 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Dec-29-09 12:57 AM   #50 
  - van den heuvel = granddaughter of MCA ("the octopus") founder Jules Stein,  Hannah Bell   Dec-29-09 01:17 AM   #51 
  - Holy Shit! Hannah Bell, that's some scary stuff. Another left-wing Eastern Establishment type.  bertman   Dec-29-09 01:36 AM   #53 
  - Stein wasn't an east-coast establishment type, though.  Hannah Bell   Dec-29-09 01:58 AM   #54 
  - Original research on Dulles here:  Hannah Bell   Dec-29-09 06:07 AM   #62 
     - I appreciate the info. Will read it later when I have an opportunity. nt  bertman   Dec-29-09 01:01 PM   #80 
  - thanks so much for that information.  ima_sinnic   Dec-29-09 04:22 AM   #59 
  - Always happy when someone shows interest. Where'd you go to school, if you don't mind my asking.  Hannah Bell   Dec-29-09 06:25 AM   #63 
     - wow, fantastic research  ima_sinnic   Dec-29-09 07:08 AM   #67 
     - interesting, thank you. pretty amazing on the tri-delt questionnaire.  Hannah Bell   Dec-29-09 01:25 PM   #83 
     - Only some of our "American Royalty" are descended from the original aristocratic families  bertman   Dec-29-09 01:00 PM   #79 
  - wow....  fascisthunter   Dec-29-09 01:20 PM   #82 
  - I agree with Jane that the use of referring to critics of real action taken by the administration  mmonk   Dec-29-09 06:32 AM   #65 
  - It's a lot simpler really; think about what people who defend the Pres. unconditionally are actually  TiberiusGracchus   Dec-29-09 12:31 PM   #73 
  - +1  leftstreet   Dec-29-09 12:53 PM   #77 
  - + renewed "re-engagement" in Latin America aka  EFerrari   Dec-29-09 01:55 PM   #86 
  - Wait a minute:  johnaries   Dec-29-09 02:48 PM   #93 
  - Cool. Didn't know Katrina had it in her  TheWebHead   Dec-29-09 03:16 PM   #98 
 

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