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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:49 PM
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That is a common attitude, you articulated it well. Your logic about "calling them" common "makes them illegitimate" makes no sense. The attitude is reflected back to you. Do you find it illegitimate? I find it belligerent.

Just to state the blindingly obvious, I meant ON DU.

The OP referenced the words of the Administrator, who seems to think that respect and progressive views can work together, presumably with "the plain truth" on his brainchild web discussion board. Are you saying you're not willing to try?

That is not "one person's opinion about what constitutes 'progressive'," that is a historical and contextual definition of progressive.

"And even if there was agreement on principals or ideals, there is not and never will be agreement on how to achieve them."

That is the point. "Being Progressive means having some basic level of respect for other issues and for others who care about them, even if you don't care. If "respect" is too strong a concept, try tolerance or basic courtesy."

Yet because you are so busy side-stepping, reading and not comprehending, you need to read the OP and the definition again. Perhaps it will sink in a little.

"And as far as respect, I respect everyone's right to hold any opinions they wish, and to express and debate them in any way they choose (a respect which you would apparently not grant to me)...."

EXCUSE ME? :wtf: And Where do YOU get OFF making THAT particular JAB?!

"There's so much nonsense and illogic on your post that I can't even begin to address it all, even if I were so inclined, but a few things deserve comment."

That's how I felt about your post but I TRIED to communicate with you. Your pathetic and unfounded INSULT proves you are not able to "discuss with a spirit of common cause and strength, not competition and insecurity."

"... but as far as the opinions themselves, they do not automatically earn my respect just by being opinions, no matter how deeply held or fondly adhered to. If they cannot be justified or defended, they deserve no more than to be dismissed."

There it is, the bottom line of that common and callous attitude, again very well articulated. It really is indefensibly ARROGANT, especially in light of this OP, this thread being about what the DU Administrator has in mind for the site.

Who are *you* to decide ahead of time what "deserves" respect and attention on DU, to deem something unworthy ("distorted," "stupid"), attack out of nowhere, demand it be "justified or defended" and then object when others don't want to play with you because of your own outlandish, self entitled behavior?
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  -Joining in the holiday DU navel gazing, a few, simple Progressive steps toward Respect and Community omega minimo  Dec-26-09 06:26 PM   #0 
  - I am very, very disappointed that I can recommend this post only once..  BrklynLiberal   Dec-26-09 06:30 PM   #1 
  - I'm shocked at the immediate  omega minimo   Dec-26-09 06:37 PM   #3 
  - Ruling Class Apologists can still kiss my ass though  leftstreet   Dec-26-09 06:36 PM   #2 
  - People who like Journey .... well, as long as they don't make me listen to it ........  omega minimo   Dec-26-09 06:38 PM   #4 
  - Thanks for this post, omega minimo  rumpel   Dec-26-09 08:19 PM   #5 
  - cheers, rumpel  omega minimo   Dec-26-09 08:36 PM   #6 
  - Thanks for posting this! K&R  highplainsdem   Dec-26-09 09:21 PM   #7 
  - much obliged, highplainsdem  omega minimo   Dec-26-09 10:03 PM   #12 
  - K&R, baby  MorningGlow   Dec-26-09 09:31 PM   #8 
  - Happy Solstice, MG  omega minimo   Dec-26-09 10:02 PM   #11 
     - And you!  MorningGlow   Dec-26-09 10:26 PM   #13 
  - Hear Hear!  librechik   Dec-26-09 09:33 PM   #9 
  - Ha Ha!!  omega minimo   Dec-26-09 10:01 PM   #10 
  - k and r--just because  niyad   Dec-26-09 10:30 PM   #14 
  - cheers niyad  omega minimo   Dec-26-09 11:14 PM   #22 
  - Thank you, thank you  me b zola   Dec-26-09 10:38 PM   #15 
  - Well put  omega minimo   Dec-26-09 10:55 PM   #18 
  - Well said  pscot   Dec-26-09 10:45 PM   #16 
  - #1 Happy new year to you!  Bluebear   Dec-26-09 10:50 PM   #17 
  - Good on ya, Bluebear. Happy New Year  omega minimo   Dec-26-09 10:57 PM   #19 
  - Cool! I'm game  lunatica   Dec-26-09 11:02 PM   #20 
  - Nice!  omega minimo   Dec-26-09 11:04 PM   #21 
  - Sounds like a post  skepticscott   Dec-27-09 06:10 AM   #23 
  - "someone who thinks that if we all just hold hands and sing Kumbaya" like Skinner?  omega minimo   Dec-27-09 11:17 AM   #24 
  - I have a problem  skepticscott   Dec-27-09 04:24 PM   #37 
     - This is a very well articulated version of a common attitude on DU  omega minimo   Dec-27-09 06:22 PM   #43 
     - There's so much nonsense and illogic on your post  skepticscott   Dec-27-09 08:54 PM   #45 
        - #  omega minimo   Dec-27-09 09:49 PM   #47 
           - .  omega minimo   Dec-28-09 09:58 AM   #53 
     - I imagine many people believe...  LanternWaste   Dec-28-09 10:42 AM   #54 
        - Well, I have to disagree somewhat  skepticscott   Dec-28-09 05:35 PM   #59 
           - I've never found it to be the case that civility denies truth.  LanternWaste   Dec-28-09 07:40 PM   #60 
           - Well, while you're looking for  skepticscott   Dec-28-09 09:11 PM   #61 
           - You are really fucking out of line.  omega minimo   Dec-28-09 10:58 PM   #67 
              - Please get over yourself  skepticscott   Dec-29-09 05:16 PM   #71 
                 - Here's some "stupidity" and chickenshit  omega minimo   Dec-29-09 07:45 PM   #72 
                    - So those were the insults?  skepticscott   Dec-29-09 09:36 PM   #73 
           - You are correct  omega minimo   Dec-28-09 11:01 PM   #68 
           - Anything THAT blatantly bigoted must be addressed immediately, by saying it is unacceptable  omega minimo   Dec-28-09 10:53 PM   #66 
  - And your post sounds  billh58   Dec-27-09 12:34 PM   #30 
  - Great illustration of what the OP is trying to change.  Flying Dream Blues   Dec-27-09 12:44 PM   #31 
     - Antagonistic, Missing the point on purpose, Making a false interpretation of what we presented,  omega minimo   Dec-27-09 02:03 PM   #33 
  - I found DU by literally Googling "democrat" and "underground. "  blondeatlast   Dec-27-09 12:05 PM   #25 
  - Thank you blondeatlast  omega minimo   Dec-27-09 12:10 PM   #26 
     - I'm one of those that will type a mini-essay in anger. Then I stop,  blondeatlast   Dec-27-09 12:27 PM   #28 
  - K&R  Odin2005   Dec-27-09 12:24 PM   #27 
  - Bookmarking...nt  SidDithers   Dec-27-09 12:32 PM   #29 
  - Hear here! Bingo! Yes!  madamesilverspurs   Dec-27-09 02:02 PM   #32 
  - Bingo and Amen!  omega minimo   Dec-27-09 02:03 PM   #34 
  - K&R  JonLP24   Dec-27-09 02:09 PM   #35 
  - Good point.  omega minimo   Dec-27-09 04:55 PM   #39 
  - I've decided I'm no longer going to use the "Progressive" label.  Kermitt Gribble   Dec-27-09 03:29 PM   #36 
  - All right.  omega minimo   Dec-27-09 04:54 PM   #38 
  - Right Again; No Progress Unless We Have Awareness and Thinking  Hidden Stillness   Dec-27-09 05:08 PM   #40 
  - Thanks for being on the rung with me, HS  omega minimo   Dec-27-09 05:52 PM   #41 
     - Fighting Until It Wears You Nothing..?  Hidden Stillness   Dec-28-09 12:19 PM   #57 
        - Need to think and come back, too  omega minimo   Dec-29-09 03:06 PM   #70 
  - I'm actually LOLing  pecwae   Dec-27-09 06:01 PM   #42 
  - Pretty good, huh?  omega minimo   Dec-27-09 06:23 PM   #44 
  - Deleted  phasma ex machina   Dec-27-09 09:01 PM   #46 
  - According to this Progressive doesn't constitute a concrete political program.  Monk06   Dec-27-09 10:03 PM   #48 
  - This OP was not intended to provide that level of education  omega minimo   Dec-27-09 10:22 PM   #49 
     - I should have pointed out that a too narrowly or rigidly orthodox definition of  Monk06   Dec-27-09 10:44 PM   #50 
        - It sounds like the start  omega minimo   Dec-27-09 10:54 PM   #51 
           - Here's a tidbit the Conservative Party of Canada used to be called the Progressive Conservative  Monk06   Dec-27-09 11:13 PM   #52 
  - Kicked, but too late to recommend.  Uncle Joe   Dec-28-09 10:52 AM   #55 
  - Thanks Uncle Joe. Happy Holidays.  omega minimo   Dec-28-09 10:57 AM   #56 
  - Thank you.  Skidmore   Dec-28-09 12:24 PM   #58 
  - Good point.  omega minimo   Dec-29-09 01:08 AM   #69 
  - progressive: 13 mentions; liberal 1 ('latte liberal'); Democrat: 0  HughMoran   Dec-28-09 09:47 PM   #62 
  - "bias?" Yes.  omega minimo   Dec-28-09 10:41 PM   #64 
  - Happy New Year, omega minimo  IndianaGreen   Dec-28-09 09:51 PM   #63 
     - Many Happy Returns, IndianaGreen  omega minimo   Dec-28-09 10:44 PM   #65 

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