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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #85
88. See my #2
The issue to me is that such a thing is even successful, period. And, it's not about "coercion" at all -- the "third party" is the corporation.
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  -What's an appropriate response by men to the objectification of women in Hooters Restaurants? Boojatta  Dec-25-09 03:48 PM   #0 
  - I picked up dinner for work folk there a couple weeks ago  Skittles   Dec-25-09 03:52 PM   #1 
  - He got off easy.  EFerrari   Dec-25-09 04:12 PM   #15 
  - ROFLMAO  stevenleser   Dec-25-09 06:18 PM   #43 
  - people make too much hay of the Hooters gals  Skittles   Dec-26-09 09:53 AM   #127 
  - LOL!  mzmolly   Dec-25-09 06:34 PM   #53 
  - WHAT???  cliffordu   Dec-25-09 08:49 PM   #99 
  - but but but... the girls enjoy the objectification. why would they applaud? nt  seabeyond   Dec-25-09 08:58 PM   #100 
  - As long as particular women have no problem with BEING objectified...  Bicoastal   Dec-25-09 03:54 PM   #2 
  - Can't respond. Your profile doesn't specify your gender  tularetom   Dec-25-09 03:54 PM   #3 
  - Your opinion of the appropriate response  Boojatta   Dec-25-09 04:01 PM   #9 
     - The gender of the person asking the question affects the intent of the question asked.  Orrex   Dec-25-09 05:23 PM   #27 
        - If the question isn't clear as written, then it should be re-written.  Boojatta   Dec-25-09 05:58 PM   #37 
           - Now, now. Don't be disingenuous.  Orrex   Dec-25-09 06:11 PM   #38 
              - Don't expect that from her  BoneDaddy   Dec-26-09 07:05 PM   #189 
  - I support a woman's right to choose what to do with her body, and men to enjoy those choices  The Straight Story   Dec-25-09 03:56 PM   #4 
  - That should be an option on the poll. It has my vote!  CLANG   Dec-25-09 07:12 PM   #64 
  - I voted...  ZombieHorde   Dec-25-09 03:58 PM   #5 
  - Look up "Objectify." nt  Sparkly   Dec-25-09 06:15 PM   #41 
     - I did, it said to present as an object, or to make objective. So I looked up object.  ZombieHorde   Dec-25-09 06:28 PM   #48 
        - "degrade to the status of a mere object" comes up on my "dashboard" dictionary.  Sparkly   Dec-25-09 06:36 PM   #54 
           - People are objects. nt  ZombieHorde   Dec-25-09 10:45 PM   #107 
  - You ever heard two or more women talking about some guy they think is hot?  timeforpeace   Dec-25-09 04:01 PM   #6 
  - No, that never happens of course.  shadowknows69   Dec-25-09 06:16 PM   #42 
  - How about judge them on their food?  izquierdista   Dec-25-09 04:01 PM   #7 
  - I think it would help if they had a place called "Hung Like a Bull"...  Walk away   Dec-25-09 04:01 PM   #8 
  - Why would they have to be straight? Does Hooters only hire straight women? nt  ZombieHorde   Dec-25-09 04:05 PM   #11 
  - I understand but I am considering the mind of the straight man.  Walk away   Dec-26-09 06:50 PM   #186 
  - Yee Haw!  blueamy66   Dec-25-09 05:01 PM   #21 
  - Totally agree  jaksavage   Dec-25-09 05:34 PM   #28 
  - What keeps you from opening such a place? n/t  cherokeeprogressive   Dec-25-09 06:25 PM   #46 
  - I think I need a liquor license. nt  Walk away   Dec-26-09 06:51 PM   #187 
  - "Le Queue" sounds more high rent and would attract more women I think.  Gwendolyn   Dec-25-09 07:36 PM   #70 
  - The women seem to be comfortable with the objectification.  LostInAnomie   Dec-25-09 04:01 PM   #10 
  - Men in a certain state are very, very generous with gratuities, but I doubt  BlueCaliDem   Dec-25-09 06:13 PM   #39 
  - What kind of state: state of the union or state of intoxication?  Boojatta   Dec-25-09 06:21 PM   #44 
  - Why, in that special state of objectification, of course. eom  BlueCaliDem   Dec-25-09 08:06 PM   #90 
  - It's not. I can think of several very positive expressions of objectification. n/t  Gwendolyn   Dec-25-09 07:41 PM   #74 
  - Oh, That Makes It O.K. Then  Dinger   Dec-26-09 02:30 PM   #153 
  - I've been to Hooters maybe 3 or 4 times.  CANDO   Dec-25-09 04:07 PM   #12 
  - I'd go with none of the above  TlalocW   Dec-25-09 04:11 PM   #13 
  - If they actually cared about the issue, they wouldn't be there.  clear eye   Dec-25-09 04:11 PM   #14 
  - +10  Myrina   Dec-25-09 05:07 PM   #24 
  - Hooters is objectionable on many bases.  TexasObserver   Dec-25-09 04:14 PM   #16 
  - Tipping the waitressess would give the impression that I approve of their objectification.  Fumesucker   Dec-25-09 04:28 PM   #17 
  - You know -- in some weird way I have to give this  xchrom   Dec-25-09 04:59 PM   #20 
  - Good smiley!!! Why punish the women who want to be objectified?  Thickasabrick   Dec-25-09 05:06 PM   #23 
  - Nice try.  clear eye   Dec-25-09 05:40 PM   #29 
  - OTHER: Men should give Hooters waitresses huge tips.  undeterred   Dec-25-09 04:50 PM   #18 
  - Build a Hooters next to Walmart, and folks could get two for one on  Obamanaut   Dec-25-09 04:57 PM   #19 
  - Hooters makes a great grouper sandwich....  MattBaggins   Dec-25-09 08:27 PM   #94 
     - I'll defer to your knowledge and experience for that comparison. nt  Obamanaut   Dec-26-09 06:47 AM   #119 
  - I choose #3  BlueCaliDem   Dec-25-09 05:03 PM   #22 
  - "Exposure" is the problem. n/t  clear eye   Dec-25-09 05:43 PM   #30 
  - other  H2O Man   Dec-25-09 05:09 PM   #25 
  - I would love to see about 3 dozen breast-feeding women....  hlthe2b   Dec-25-09 05:11 PM   #26 
  - Nnnnnnope. Wouldn't stop me for a moment.  cherokeeprogressive   Dec-25-09 06:29 PM   #49 
  - Objectification is bad  Turbineguy   Dec-25-09 05:45 PM   #31 
  - Men should study the problem at length  notesdev   Dec-25-09 05:47 PM   #32 
  - LOL  cherokeeprogressive   Dec-25-09 06:29 PM   #50 
  - The only appropriate response is an honest one... nt  Blasphemer   Dec-25-09 05:49 PM   #33 
  - And I wonder who held a gun to the head of the women to work there?  Ikonoklast   Dec-25-09 05:51 PM   #34 
  - If the Man's Wife, Mother, or Daughter works at a Hooters, then...  NYC_SKP   Dec-25-09 05:52 PM   #35 
  - Since when has progressivism become the new puritanism? N/T  GreenStormCloud   Dec-25-09 05:52 PM   #36 
  - I didn't say that progressives need to be puritans.  Boojatta   Dec-25-09 06:14 PM   #40 
  - No. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Dec-25-09 07:36 PM   #71 
     - Are puritans heretics? What does progressive orthodoxy require?  Boojatta   Dec-25-09 07:48 PM   #77 
        - Progressives honor individual liberty.  GreenStormCloud   Dec-25-09 09:16 PM   #103 
           - self deleted  seabeyond   Dec-25-09 09:55 PM   #105 
           - I think that you're trying to solve a jigsaw puzzle by squeezing pieces where they don't fit.  Boojatta   Dec-26-09 12:37 PM   #130 
  - Hey! When money enters the picture, it's not about  clear eye   Dec-26-09 12:50 PM   #132 
  - Unfortunately, this is a very complicated question.  stevenleser   Dec-25-09 06:22 PM   #45 
  - best answer to this stupid OS poll  bettyellen   Dec-26-09 02:43 PM   #157 
     - Omaha Steve didn't have any role in the creation of this poll.  Boojatta   Dec-26-09 04:52 PM   #183 
        - POS... as in shite. the P key is sticking  bettyellen   Dec-26-09 07:34 PM   #190 
  - i don't think its possible for all men to have only one response,  Trillo   Dec-25-09 06:27 PM   #47 
  - Best response, "What waitresses? I just go for the wings".  aikoaiko   Dec-25-09 06:31 PM   #51 
  - Hooters (et al) objectifies women. It is not okay to objectify women.  Stinky The Clown   Dec-25-09 06:34 PM   #52 
  - Yeah but these wings are REALLY good. n/t  cherokeeprogressive   Dec-25-09 06:43 PM   #57 
  - Most women.  sendero   Dec-25-09 06:37 PM   #55 
  - Here we go again.  Sparkly   Dec-25-09 06:38 PM   #56 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-25-09 06:51 PM   #59 
  - Says you. nt  Sparkly   Dec-25-09 06:52 PM   #60 
  - Are you saying that because you are a 3rd waver or because you dont like feminism in general?  stevenleser   Dec-25-09 07:22 PM   #66 
     - Feminism...  sendero   Dec-25-09 08:48 PM   #98 
        - and if a woman was to see a man as a mere protector or a provider, and not see him as a person  seabeyond   Dec-25-09 11:16 PM   #108 
           - There are literally millions of men that not only women, but society sees as merely providers.  stevenleser   Dec-26-09 12:16 AM   #113 
           - bullshit  seabeyond   Dec-26-09 12:58 AM   #115 
              - We'll have to agree to disagree on this one...  stevenleser   Dec-26-09 02:28 PM   #150 
           - Well we agree..  sendero   Dec-26-09 08:42 AM   #124 
  - Teaching can be a bit like collecting trash.  Boojatta   Dec-25-09 06:53 PM   #61 
  - For those of us who didnt see it, can you summarize?  stevenleser   Dec-25-09 07:22 PM   #67 
  - But that's not the point  WolverineDG   Dec-26-09 02:09 AM   #117 
  - I gather you have extensive statistics to back that up. n/t  clear eye   Dec-26-09 12:55 PM   #133 
  - that is the most inaccurate - women who have ANYTHING to offer besides purchased breasts prefer to  bettyellen   Dec-26-09 02:55 PM   #161 
  - Being gay I've never been  donheld   Dec-25-09 06:49 PM   #58 
  - I don't go to hooters because of their objectification  juno jones   Dec-25-09 07:01 PM   #62 
  - Best comment of the thread. If people continue to eat the garbage that's served at these places...  Gwendolyn   Dec-25-09 07:17 PM   #65 
  - No one has to work there.  WorseBeforeBetter   Dec-25-09 11:48 PM   #111 
     - No.  juno jones   Dec-26-09 01:40 PM   #141 
  - Ain't gonna. Nope. No fuckin' way. Uh uh...nope  A HERETIC I AM   Dec-25-09 07:07 PM   #63 
  - lol, wink  seabeyond   Dec-25-09 07:35 PM   #69 
     - ....  A HERETIC I AM   Dec-25-09 07:40 PM   #73 
        - happy holidays.....  seabeyond   Dec-25-09 07:42 PM   #75 
           - Backatya.  A HERETIC I AM   Dec-25-09 07:48 PM   #78 
  - Jackie Treehorn treats objects like women, man  DefenseLawyer   Dec-25-09 07:25 PM   #68 
  - Perhaps this poll's not working out like you thought it would? n/t  Subdivisions   Dec-25-09 07:39 PM   #72 
  - I'll betcha that this is what the poster expected. I think that to the OP, this is a  stevenleser   Dec-25-09 07:47 PM   #76 
  - I'm going to try this ONE more time...  Sparkly   Dec-25-09 07:51 PM   #79 
  - I'm concerned enough about what you say that I have emailed several prominent 3rd wave feminists  stevenleser   Dec-25-09 07:53 PM   #80 
  - They're feminists or they're not. nt  Sparkly   Dec-25-09 08:01 PM   #84 
     - Well, the below link talks about what they believe  stevenleser   Dec-25-09 08:05 PM   #89 
     - They're only feminists if they believe exactly as you do, in other words nt  WolverineDG   Dec-26-09 02:13 AM   #118 
  - Prostitution is the ultimate apex of objectification.  Gwendolyn   Dec-25-09 07:56 PM   #81 
  - I totally disagree.  Sparkly   Dec-25-09 07:59 PM   #83 
  - Ironically, what you just said is what I think of the whole Hooters issue.  stevenleser   Dec-25-09 08:03 PM   #85 
  - See my #2  Sparkly   Dec-25-09 08:04 PM   #88 
  - Prostitution is nothing more than the purchase of the human body for objectification.  Gwendolyn   Dec-25-09 08:03 PM   #87 
     - Well if you believe that, don't engage in it.  Sparkly   Dec-25-09 08:06 PM   #91 
        - People objectify each other every day in many ways.  Gwendolyn   Dec-25-09 08:13 PM   #92 
           - No need to get nasty -- we just disagree.  Sparkly   Dec-25-09 08:22 PM   #93 
              - Those workers on tenth avenue would have the option of going to work for...  Gwendolyn   Dec-25-09 08:38 PM   #96 
                 - I disagree with you.  Sparkly   Dec-25-09 08:59 PM   #101 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-26-09 09:28 AM   #126 
                       - I'm not a hypocrite.  Sparkly   Dec-26-09 02:13 PM   #142 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-26-09 02:29 PM   #151 
                             - First, I wonder if you could argue your point  Sparkly   Dec-26-09 02:38 PM   #155 
                             - I"m not attacking you at all. Just getting to the crux of the discussion.  Gwendolyn   Dec-26-09 02:44 PM   #158 
                             - You've called me a hypocrite. Perhaps you could argue your point of view with some respect for mine.  Sparkly   Dec-26-09 02:55 PM   #162 
                                - If you look way up the thread, I said that I think some objectification is very positive.  Gwendolyn   Dec-26-09 03:15 PM   #168 
                                   - "70s feminists"  Sparkly   Dec-26-09 03:26 PM   #171 
                                      - Nope. There isn't. But for the benefit of all, I've explained what objectification is.  Gwendolyn   Dec-26-09 03:29 PM   #172 
                             - I hope you don't mind me interjecting here for a moment, but...  stevenleser   Dec-26-09 02:49 PM   #159 
                                - Yeah...  Sparkly   Dec-26-09 03:12 PM   #166 
                                - Well, I'm not big on labels either, however...we are at "Democratic" underground, afterall,  stevenleser   Dec-26-09 03:19 PM   #169 
                                   - Feminism...  Sparkly   Dec-26-09 03:34 PM   #175 
                                - For some it's a question of need. For many others it isn't. It's a conscious choice.  Gwendolyn   Dec-26-09 03:23 PM   #170 
                                   - OK, I agree with most of that. The question I have for you is...  stevenleser   Dec-26-09 03:31 PM   #174 
                                      - Prostitution is not an issue for me at all. Sorry if I gave that impression.  Gwendolyn   Dec-26-09 03:35 PM   #176 
                                         - Oh Jesus Christ on a Cracker, I did NOT say that.  Sparkly   Dec-26-09 03:37 PM   #177 
                                            - LOL, JC on a cracker. I was going to make a joke, but I am sure it would come back to bite me  stevenleser   Dec-26-09 03:40 PM   #178 
                                            - Okay, then if we agree that it's objectification we can be friends. Happy holidays.  Gwendolyn   Dec-26-09 03:44 PM   #179 
                             - yeah you can. I totally understand Sparkly's feelings on this.  bettyellen   Dec-26-09 03:10 PM   #165 
                                - Thanks.  Sparkly   Dec-26-09 03:13 PM   #167 
                                   - i think it runs too deep for some people to reallly look at this issue- they pretend it's  bettyellen   Dec-26-09 03:29 PM   #173 
  - Sparkly addressed that.  clear eye   Dec-26-09 01:13 PM   #135 
     - I guess you've never visited a country where prostitution is legal then.  Gwendolyn   Dec-26-09 01:26 PM   #137 
        - Hooters is in the U.S. n/t  clear eye   Dec-26-09 01:30 PM   #139 
           - You don't know what you're arguing either, starting with "Hooters is in the US."  Gwendolyn   Dec-26-09 01:34 PM   #140 
  - This is so well-articulated that I am going to bookmark it. Thank you. Like you,  spooky3   Dec-25-09 08:03 PM   #86 
  - Thanks  Sparkly   Dec-26-09 02:16 PM   #144 
  - Beautifully put,  clear eye   Dec-26-09 01:05 PM   #134 
  - Thanks  Sparkly   Dec-26-09 02:16 PM   #143 
  - The quality of a poll can be measured by the quality of the best posts that it attracts.  Boojatta   Dec-26-09 04:07 PM   #180 
  - Strange thing about Sambo's  jmowreader   Dec-26-09 02:19 PM   #146 
     - Yes, I've seen them and yes, the image changed  Sparkly   Dec-26-09 02:30 PM   #152 
  - One of my daughters worked at Hooters for a year  Blue_In_AK   Dec-25-09 07:58 PM   #82 
  - "appropriate"?  ismnotwasm   Dec-25-09 08:34 PM   #95 
  - Other: we need new restaurants  Mari333   Dec-25-09 08:44 PM   #97 
  - Those guys look like  Blue_In_AK   Dec-25-09 09:00 PM   #102 
  - Well, again, I think the point is, if they qualified for job that didnt require stripping and paid  stevenleser   Dec-26-09 02:23 PM   #149 
  - Is that the San Francisco Hooters?  jgraz   Dec-25-09 10:35 PM   #106 
  - One of my salesmen said he wanted to open a chain like that...  jmowreader   Dec-26-09 02:21 PM   #148 
  - My well-endowed feminist friend goes there  KamaAina   Dec-25-09 09:24 PM   #104 
  - objectification? - objectified? - get a life...!  Imagevision   Dec-25-09 11:27 PM   #109 
  - This is where DU always disappoints me...  debbierlus   Dec-25-09 11:39 PM   #110 
  - I dont think anyone did that. I think there is a disagreement as to what constitutes  stevenleser   Dec-26-09 12:13 AM   #112 
  - Me too. Some of the views towards women here are nothing short of pathetic.  goldcanyonaz   Dec-26-09 02:36 PM   #154 
     - By all means, please point fingers. I am interested in to whom you refer...  stevenleser   Dec-26-09 02:38 PM   #156 
  - i went to a hooters once. the food sucked, so i didn't go back.  dysfunctional press   Dec-26-09 12:28 AM   #114 
  - Just never go there period.  Onceuponalife   Dec-26-09 01:43 AM   #116 
  - Hooters Restaurants serve lousy food for the money.  DailyGrind51   Dec-26-09 06:49 AM   #120 
  - It must be nice to have neighborhood diners that serve real meals  jmowreader   Dec-26-09 02:58 PM   #163 
     - In Chicago, we have a lot of good neighborhood restaurants.  DailyGrind51   Dec-26-09 05:52 PM   #184 
  - I guess I don't get to vote  madokie   Dec-26-09 06:57 AM   #121 
  - You are not missing much!  DailyGrind51   Dec-27-09 08:40 AM   #194 
  - i personally think the food is alright  iamthebandfanman   Dec-26-09 07:20 AM   #122 
  - I never been  JonLP24   Dec-26-09 07:24 AM   #123 
  - Within the corp culture there'll always be a % of women eager to be objectified & sexually exploited  Echo In Light   Dec-26-09 08:45 AM   #125 
  - Just as there are always women who will sleep w/ the married boss for a promotion  clear eye   Dec-26-09 01:21 PM   #136 
     - And vice versa. I've seen it happen  stevenleser   Dec-26-09 02:18 PM   #145 
     - In my estimation there isn't an I, or "we" involved in the sexual/business relations of others  Echo In Light   Dec-27-09 06:31 AM   #193 
  - None of the Above.  Kalyke   Dec-26-09 09:57 AM   #128 
  - I object to all the stupid sports programs on all the TVs at Hooters.  HopeHoops   Dec-26-09 10:11 AM   #129 
  - (shrug) I support a woman's right to do what she pleases with her own body....  BlooInBloo   Dec-26-09 12:42 PM   #131 
  - And I am almost on board with that. The problem is, how many of us  stevenleser   Dec-26-09 02:21 PM   #147 
  - This has nothing to do with the poll  canetoad   Dec-26-09 01:27 PM   #138 
  - A few years ago, I had a coworker who  Batgirl   Dec-26-09 02:54 PM   #160 
  - Wow.  demmiblue   Dec-26-09 06:04 PM   #185 
     - Thing is, both parents, not just the dad, were beaming with pride over the shirt.  Batgirl   Dec-26-09 08:34 PM   #191 
  - Not this shit again.  Lucian   Dec-26-09 02:59 PM   #164 
  - I go to restaurants for the food. I heard the food at Hooters  alfredo   Dec-26-09 04:13 PM   #181 
  - I just don't go there, personally  fishwax   Dec-26-09 04:18 PM   #182 
  - Order some of their delicious wings  BoneDaddy   Dec-26-09 07:04 PM   #188 
  - I think Hooters gives women power over men  musicblind   Dec-26-09 08:56 PM   #192 
  - Kick  Boojatta   Dec-29-09 11:16 AM   #195 

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