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Fri Dec-25-09 11:57 AM
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| 41. The last paragraph of your own article admits the matter is not settled, to wit: |
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The notion of a court challenge to an eventual healthcare reform law is alive and kicking. "The idea of any form of mandate involving any sort of consequences -- such as a penalty or fine for not purchasing insurance, even without any additional penalties or interest -- is what makes the mandate unconstitutional," Klukowski said. "If the federal government were to include only aspirational language, urging people to buy insurance, that's one thing. But if it is any sort of legislative command, then it exceeds the boundaries of the Constitution, and is therefore illegal."
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| -Article One: Section 9 of the US Constitution |
ixion |
Dec-25-09 10:48 AM |
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A fine example of Holiday Inn Express lawyering |
NJmaverick |
Dec-25-09 10:52 AM |
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coming from you... |
ixion |
Dec-25-09 10:54 AM |
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Yes I deal in facts and we have seen what you think of those pesky things |
NJmaverick |
Dec-25-09 10:56 AM |
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hmmm... I post quotes from the US Constitution, you respond with your typical snark |
ixion |
Dec-25-09 10:59 AM |
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Sigh, you want the facts? Here you go |
NJmaverick |
Dec-25-09 11:09 AM |
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*sigh* ... no, this is called an editorial |
ixion |
Dec-25-09 11:18 AM |
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No that's called a legal opinion by a lawyer, but you keep on deluding yourself |
NJmaverick |
Dec-25-09 11:36 AM |
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ah, so you admit it's an opinion piece... thanks, that's all I needed |
ixion |
Dec-25-09 11:39 AM |
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You deal in agenda PR and we all know it |
havocmom |
Dec-25-09 11:04 AM |
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That sounds like a good description of your destructive agenda |
NJmaverick |
Dec-25-09 11:05 AM |
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Ah, attack the person with the lack of tact to say what most think |
havocmom |
Dec-25-09 11:44 AM |
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yet it was such an appropriate response to your post |
NJmaverick |
Dec-25-09 12:01 PM |
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LOL, more of same tactic |
havocmom |
Dec-25-09 12:27 PM |
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yeah!! |
ixion |
Dec-25-09 12:30 PM |
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Oh an here, just to show you what a fool you made of yourself |
NJmaverick |
Dec-25-09 11:09 AM |
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spot on, havocmom |
ixion |
Dec-25-09 11:39 AM |
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That was my thought at this person's posts in this thread too |
Matariki |
Dec-25-09 03:42 PM |
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You have zero credibility on this board. |
arcadian |
Dec-25-09 12:51 PM |
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Look who's talkin'!!! |
NYC_SKP |
Dec-25-09 10:08 PM |
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So the constitution is actually written in code? |
Xicano |
Dec-25-09 07:05 PM |
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People who don't want health care... won't pay for it if they can... |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Dec-25-09 10:53 AM |
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The mandate was put in at the request of the insurance companies. |
dkf |
Dec-25-09 11:02 AM |
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K & R nt |
Obamanaut |
Dec-25-09 11:04 AM |
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You might want to read this |
NJmaverick |
Dec-25-09 11:11 AM |
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The last paragraph of your own article admits the matter is not settled, to wit: |
ixion |
Dec-25-09 11:57 AM |
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There is sentiment from the Right Wing that the |
truedelphi |
Dec-26-09 12:14 AM |
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What gives Congress the authority to require individuals to buy |
JDPriestly |
Dec-25-09 01:33 PM |
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they'll do it via the income tax code, and it will be constitutional |
unblock |
Dec-25-09 11:08 AM |
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I agree with you, unblock. |
JDPriestly |
Dec-25-09 01:34 PM |
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I'd point out all the other times you get fined for not doing something |
MineralMan |
Dec-25-09 11:09 AM |
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Enjoy your Christmas I got this one MM |
NJmaverick |
Dec-25-09 11:12 AM |
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well, no you don't |
ixion |
Dec-25-09 11:22 AM |
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Thanks! |
MineralMan |
Dec-25-09 06:58 PM |
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Give some examples of some fines placed on you by the federal government for just living |
JDPriestly |
Dec-25-09 01:39 PM |
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pins dropping.... |
Matariki |
Dec-25-09 03:46 PM |
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For those that recced this idea |
NJmaverick |
Dec-25-09 11:10 AM |
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You've posted this editorial three times now |
ixion |
Dec-25-09 11:20 AM |
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You need to look up the terms "legal opinion" and "editorial" as you clearly |
NJmaverick |
Dec-25-09 11:38 AM |
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lol... once again, your snark fails you |
ixion |
Dec-25-09 11:55 AM |
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Ah, mystery solved. |
havocmom |
Dec-25-09 11:45 AM |
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Are you afraid you are being ripped off by the RNC? |
NJmaverick |
Dec-25-09 12:01 PM |
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Which kindergarten did that one come from? |
havocmom |
Dec-25-09 10:28 PM |
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If that's the case, how, how can there be a mandate to pay |
napi21 |
Dec-25-09 11:11 AM |
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none of the items you mention are purchases of a product from a private, for-profit company |
ixion |
Dec-25-09 11:20 AM |
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Income Tax had an amendment to the constitution |
AllentownJake |
Dec-25-09 11:35 AM |
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seems to me you are wrong on both counts |
hfojvt |
Dec-25-09 11:22 AM |
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pay the fine, or pay the fine |
ixion |
Dec-25-09 11:25 AM |
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because the trial option exists |
hfojvt |
Dec-25-09 03:21 PM |
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if everyone is considered guilty, |
ixion |
Dec-25-09 03:43 PM |
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Difference is though, we are not paying the government, we are paying private companies |
The Straight Story |
Dec-25-09 11:27 AM |
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K & R...good job...well done..thank you :) |
winyanstaz |
Dec-25-09 11:29 AM |
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thanks! |
ixion |
Dec-25-09 11:34 AM |
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My sister-in-law forwarded something like this yesteday. She got it off Free Republic. 'Nuff said. |
apocalypsehow |
Dec-25-09 11:32 AM |
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Yeah sad to see so many right wing memes being pushed at DU |
NJmaverick |
Dec-25-09 11:40 AM |
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I didn't know the constitution was suddenly Right Wing or Left Wing |
AllentownJake |
Dec-25-09 11:48 AM |
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Deliberately misinterpretation certainly has right or left wing motives |
NJmaverick |
Dec-25-09 12:00 PM |
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Yes and I don't think that clause is the issue |
AllentownJake |
Dec-25-09 12:02 PM |
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You might find this article of interest |
NJmaverick |
Dec-25-09 12:08 PM |
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Translation it is going to the Supreme Court |
AllentownJake |
Dec-25-09 12:11 PM |
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It may or may not make it that far. I am sure there will be politically motivated lawsuits |
NJmaverick |
Dec-25-09 12:14 PM |
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It is an unprecedented expansion of Federal Power |
AllentownJake |
Dec-25-09 12:19 PM |
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Pretending the 16th amendment doesn't exist is generally something the right wing does |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-26-09 12:34 AM |
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I think the 10th amendment and the 4th amendment make better arguments |
AllentownJake |
Dec-25-09 11:33 AM |
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I agree there, too... |
ixion |
Dec-25-09 11:38 AM |
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My 10th amendment argument would be |
AllentownJake |
Dec-25-09 11:46 AM |
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Just two of a number of good reasons why the bill can only work |
JDPriestly |
Dec-25-09 01:26 PM |
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K&R |
Odin2005 |
Dec-25-09 03:26 PM |
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+10 |
amborin |
Dec-27-09 01:03 AM |
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Sure that makes sense, if you completely ignore the 16th amendment |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-26-09 12:33 AM |
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my, how gloriously you support our Great Corporations |
ixion |
Dec-26-09 04:35 AM |
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So, I support our corproations because I tore your bogus constitutional argument to shreds? |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-26-09 03:15 PM |
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uh, simply dismissing them is not "tearing them to shreds" |
ixion |
Dec-27-09 05:51 AM |
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I refuted your arguments |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-27-09 11:00 PM |
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must read from "after downing street" : |
amborin |
Dec-26-09 01:26 AM |
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excellent post |
ixion |
Dec-26-09 04:36 AM |
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The mandate is totally unconstitutional. Don't let the naysayers lie that it isn't. nt |
earth mom |
Dec-26-09 02:26 AM |
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It's forcing us to enter into private contracts, but coercion voids contracts. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Dec-26-09 02:47 AM |
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K&R n/t |
amborin |
Dec-27-09 11:29 PM |
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